COBBETT'S
Parliamentary Debates,
DURING THE
THIRD SESSION OF THE SECOND PARLIAMENT
OF THE
UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT-BRITAIN AND IRELAND,
AND OF THE
KINGDOM OF GREAT-BRITAIN THE NINETEENTH,
Appointed to meet at Westminster, the Fourth Day of September, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Four; and from thence continued, by Prorogation, to the Fifteenth Day of January, in the Forty-Fifth Year of the Reign of King GEORGE the THIRD, Annoque Domini One Thousand Eight Hundred and Five.
VOL. V.
COMPRISING THE PERIOD.
BETWEEN THE 15th OF MAY AND THE 12th OF JULY 1805.
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1805.
ADVERTISEMENT.
THE volume on which the reader is here entering closes the session of 1804-5. In the Appendix will be found the Reports, entire, of the Select and Secret Committees upon the 10th and 11th Reports of the Commissioners of Naval Enquiry ; documents preserved, as the Editor believes, in no other work. To these are added the Accounts relating to the resources of the nation; being a regular continuation of the series to be found in the First and Second Volumes of this work. These Documents are, of course, exact copies of those laid before parliament; but they will be found in no other publication, and the Editor is certain that they will prove eminently useful and convenient to the reader; to whom, indeed, if his attention be seriously turned to subjects of Political Economy, they are indispensably necessary.—It is hoped, that this will be thought not an improper occasion for the Editor to remind his readers of the promise which, at the outset of the work, he made, of rescuing the Proceedings of the British Parliament from the disgrace of a slovenly and unintelligible mode of publication—a promise, which he flatters himself he shall be regarded as having fully performed.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
HOUSE OF LORDS.
1805 May 15. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Auckland, the lord chancellor, lord Auckland, the lord chancellor, lord Mulgrave, lord Auckland
1
Universities' Advowson bill.—Lord Sidmouth, the bishop of Oxford, the earl of Suffolk, the bishop of St. Asaph, the earl of Westmoreland, the lord chancellor
5
1805 May 16. Local Oaths' bill.—Lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Radnor, the lord chancellor, the earl of Radnor
7
1805 May 21. West India Accounts.—The earl of Suffolk, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Suffolk, lord Auckland
34
1805 May 22. Conduct of judge Fox.—The marquis of Abercorn, lord Hawkesbury, lord Auckland, the lord chancellor, the earl of Carlisle, lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, the marquis of Abercorn, lord Mulgrave, lord Harrowby
45
1805 May 24. State of the Navy.—Earl Darnley, lord Melville, earl St. Vincent, the duke of Clarence, lord Sidmouth, lord Holland, lord, Hawkesbury, the earl of Buckinghamshire, the earl of Suffolk, lord Melville, the earl of Suffolk, earl Darnley
72
1805 May 27. Pancras Poor bill.—The earl of Suffolk
116
State of Ireland.—The earl of Suffolk
117
Calico Printers' Petition.—Lord King, the earl of Suffolk
117
1805 May 28. West India bills.—The earl of Suffolk, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Suffolk, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Suffolk, the marquis of Sligo
124
Conduct of judge Fox.—The lord chancellor, lord Auckland, lord Carleton, the lord chancellor
126
1805 May 30. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Carleton, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Limerick, the lord chancellor, the earl of Carnarvon, lord Somerton, the earl of Carlisle, the earl of Radnor, lord Carleton,
the marquis of Sligo, lord Holland, lord Auckland, the lord chancellor, the earl of Carnarvon, lord Holland, the earl of Carysfort
139
1805 May 31. Conduct of judge Fox.—The lord chancellor, lord Grenville, lord Hawkesbury, lord Auckland, lord Mulgrave, lord Grenville, the lord chancellor, lord Auckland
154
1805 June 5. Conduct of judge Fox.—The lord chancellor, the earl of Carlilse, lord Auckland, lord Mulgrave, the marquis of Buckingham, the duke of Clarence,lord Ellenborough
165
1805 June 6. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Ellenborough, lord Hawkesbury, the duke of Clarence, the lord chancellor, lord Minto, lord Sidmouth, the earl of Carlisle, the earl of Buckinghamshire, earl Spencer, lord Hawkesbury the lord chancellor, lord Ellen-borough, lord Minto, lord Hawkesbury, lord Ellenborough, lord Minto, the earl of Carlisle
175
1805 June 7. Continental Connections.—Lord Carysfort, lord Mulgrave, lord Carysfort
184
Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Minto, lord Hawkesbury, lord Minto, earl Spencer, the lord chancellor, lord Ellenborough, the lord chancellor, lord Ellenborough, the lord chancellor
184
1805 June 10. Lancashire Justices' Salary bill.—The earl of Buckinghamshire, the earl of Radnor, the earl of Buckinghamshire, the earl of Bridgewater
238
Pancras Poor bill.—The bishop of St. Asaph, the earl of Suffolk, the lord chancellor
240
Conduct of judge Fox,—Lord. Minto; the lord chancellor, lord Hawkesbury, the lord chancellor, lord Minto
242
Stipendiary Curates' bill.—The bishop of London, the earl of Suffolk, the lord chancellor, the earl of Suffolk, the earl of Bridgewater, the marquis of Buckingham, the bishop of St. Asaph, lord Auckland, earl Fitzwilliam, the bishop of London
243
1805 June 12. Teush's Divorce bill.—The earl of Carnarvon, the lord chancellor
324
Conduct of judge Fox.—The marquis of Buckingham,the lord chancellor, the marquis of Buckingham, the lord chancellor
324
1805 June 14. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Walsingham, lord Hawkesbury; lord Auckland, lord Bolton
380*
Stipendiary Curates' bill—The lord chancellor, lord Auckland the lord chancellor, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Suffolk, the earl of Bridgewater, the bishop of St. Asaph, the bishop of London, lord Sidmouth
381*
1805 June 17. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Auckland, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Carnarvon, lord Auckland, the lord chancellor
425
Teush's Divorce bill.—The bishop of St. Asaph, the, earl.of Carnarvon, lord Hawkesbury, lord Auckland, the lord, chancellor
428
1805 June 18. State of Ireland.—The earl of Suffolk, the earl of Limerick, the duke of Norfolk, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Suffolk
437
1805 June 19. Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Grenville, lord Hawkesbury
446
Message from the king.—Lord Hawkesbury
447
1805 June 20. His Majesty's Message.—Lord Mulgrave, the earl of Carysfort, lord Mulgrave, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Carlisle, earl Camden, earl Darnley, the earl of Westmoreland, earl Spencer, lord Harrowby, the earl of Suffolk, the earl of Carnarvon, lord Sidmouth, lord holland, lord Grenville, the lord chancellor, the earl of Carlisle, lord Grenville, his royal highness the Prince of Wales.
460
1805 June 21. Conduct of judge, Fox.—Lord Walsingham, the lord chancellor
533
1805 June 22. Thellusson's Appeal Cause.—Lord Mulgrave, the earl of Westmore
land, the lord chancellor, lord Mulgrave, the lord chancellor, lord Hawkesbury
549
1805 June 25. Thellusson's Appeal Cause.—The lord chancellor
557
Arrest of Mr. justice Johnson.—The duke of Cumberland
557
Colonial Intercourse with America.—Lord Holland, earl Camden, lord Holland, the duke of Montrose, lord Holland, the duke of Montrose, the marquis of Buckingham, lord Harrowby
558
Conduct of judge Fox.—Lord Hawkesbury, the lord chancellor, lord Hawkesbury
559
1805 June 27. Conduct of judge Fox—Lord Hawkesbury
620
Gardner's Divorce bill.—The lord chancellor, the bishop of St. Asaph
621
Offenders' Escape bill.—The earl of Westmeath, the lord chancellor
622
1805 June 28. Woollen Manufacturers' Petition.—The duke of Montrose, lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, lord Holland, the lord chancellor
633
Conduct of judge Fox—Earl Stanhope, lord Hawkesbury, the lord chancellor
635
Trust Monies—Earl Stanhope, the lord chancellor
635
1805 July 1. Stipendiary Curates' bill.—The earl of Suffolk, lord Holland, lord Harrowby, the bishop of St. Asaph, the duke of Norfolk, the bishop of London, the earl of Suffolk, lord Harrowby
703
1805 July 3. Corn bill.—The earl of Suffolk
721.
Smuggling Prevention bill.—Lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, lord Holland
721
Custom House Fees' Regulation bill.—The duke of Norfolk, the earl of Westmoreland, the duke of Norfolk
722
Duke of Atholl's Claim.—The marquis of Buckingham, the earl of Westmoreland, the lord chancellor, the marquis of Buckingham
722
1805 July 4. Trade between the West Indies and America.—Lord Holland, earl Camden, lord Hawkesbury, earl Stanhope, the duke of Montrose, earl Stanhope, the earl of Limerick, the earl of Suffolk, the earl of Carysfort, lord Harrowby, lord Holland, the duke of Montrose.
731
1805 July 5. Case of Colonel Cochrane Johnstone.—The earl of Suffolk
762
Duke of Atholl's Claim.—The lord chancellor, the duke of Norfolk, the duke of Montrose, lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, the lord chancellor, the marquis of Buckingham, the lord chancellor, the earl of Radnor
764
1805 July 8. Duke of Atholl's Claim.—Lord Ellenborough, the earl of Westmoreland, lord Holland, lord Mulgrave, lord Holland, the lord chancellor, lord Westmoreland, the marquis of Buckingham, lord Hawkesbury, the earl of Westmoreland, lord Ellenborough,lord Harrowby, the marquis of Buckingham, the earl of Carlisle, lord Sidmouth, the earl of Suffolk, lord Mulgrave, lord Ellenborough, the lord chancellor, lord Hawkesbury, the duke of Norfolk
773
Trotter's Indemnity bill.—The lord chancellor
791
1805 July 9. Case of Mr. Todd Jones.—The earl of Suffolk
797
Impeachment of lord Melville.—Mr. Whitbread, lord Hawkesbury
798
Trotter's Indemnity bill.—The lord chancellor, lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, lord Sidmouth
798
Smuggling Prevention bill.—Lord Holland, lord Hawkesbury, the duke of Clarence, lord Holland
802
Paddington Canal Coal bill.—The marquis of Buckingham, lord Harrowby
804
Duke of Atholl's Claim—The marquis of Buckingham, the earl of Westmoreland, the lord chancellor, the marquis of Buckingham
805
1805 July 10. Trotter's Indemnity bill.—The lord chancellor, the duke of Norfolk, lord Hawkesbury, lord Sidmouth, the lord chancellor, lord Sid-mouth, the lord chancellor, the earl of Buckinghamshire, lord Minto, lord Mulgrave, the earl of Carysfort, the lord chancellor, lord Sidmouth
812
Duke of Atholl's Claim.—The marquis of Buckingham, the earl of Westmoreland, the lord chancellor, the earl of Suffolk, the earl of Carlisle, the duke of Norfolk
817
11. Trotter's Indemnity bill.—The lord chancellor, the earl of Carnarvon, the lord chancellor
821
1805 July 11. Trotter's Indemnity bill.—The lord chancellor, lord Minto, the lord chancellor
825
1805 July 12. Duke of Atholl's Claim—.The lord chancellor
837
King's speech on proroguing parliament.—The lord chancellor
839
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
1805 May 16. Continental Connections—Mr. Grey, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox
12
1805 May 17. Military Commissioners' bill—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Giles, Mr. Rose, Mr. Fox, Mr. Rose, Mr. Fox, Mr. G. Ponsonby, the chancellor of the,exchequer, Mr. Whitbred, Mr. Grey, Mr. Rose, Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. serjeant Best, the attorney-general, Mr. Smith, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Fox, sir W. Burroughs, Mr. Fox, Mr. II. Addington, admiral Markham, Mr. Giles
14
1805 May 17. Military Commissioners' bill—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey, Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer
26
Naval Commissioners' Renewal bill—Admiral Markham, the chancellor of the exchequer
27
Irish Election bill—Mr. M. Fitzgerald, Mr. G. Ponsonby
27
1805 May 20. Cornelius Grogan's Attainder—Mr. R. Martin, Mr. Fox, Mr. R. Martin
31
1805 May 21. Irish Secret Service Money—Sir John Newport, Mr. Vansittart, Mr. D. Browne, sir J. Newport
36
Stipendiary Curates' bill—Lord Porchester, Mr. I. H. Browne, Mr. Western, Mr. Burton, Mr. C. Wynne, sir J. C. Hippesley, Mr. Barham, Mr. Fellowes, the chancellor of the exchequer
41
1805 May 23. Duke of Atholl's claim—Colonel Stanley, Mr. Curwen, lord Glenbervie
52
Select Committee on the Eleventh Naval Report—Mr. Serjeant Best, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox, sir A. S. Hamond
56
1805 May 24. Dublin Paving bill—Mr. Vansittart, lord De Blaquiere, Mr. D. Browne, Mr. Alexander, sir J. Newport, Mr. Foster, lord De Blaquiere, Mr. W. Ponsonby, Mr. Vansittart
112
1805 May 27. Impeachment of Lord Melville—Mr. Leycester, Mr. Whitbread
121
Lancaster Justices' bill—Mr. Shaw Le Fevre, Mr. Hurst, sir R. Peele, sir R. Buxton, the chancellor of the exchequer
122
1805 May 28. Irish Customs' Regulation bill—Mr. Fitzgerald, Mr. Foster
129
Impeachment of Lord Melville—Mr. Robert Dundas
130
Naval Asylum—Sir J. B. Warren, Mr. Pierrepoint, Mr. Wilberforce
131
State of the Army—Colonel Craufurd, the chancellor of the exchequer, colonel Craufurd
132
Prize Agency bill—Sir C. Pole, Mr. Martin, the advocate general, sir C. Pole, sir J. B. Warren, admiral Markham, sir W. Scott, admiral Berkeley, sir C. Pole, Dr. Laurence, Mr. Johnstone, the chancellor of the exchequer, the judge-advocate, Mr, Rose, the chancellor of the exchequer
132
1805 May 30. Calico Printers' Petition—Mr. P. Moore, Mr. Rose, Mr. P. Moore
146
Impeachment of Lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Canning, Mr. H. Lascelles, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. H. Lascelles, the chancellor of the exchequer Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Fox
149
Stipendiary Curates' bill—Mr. Barham, Mr. Alexander, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Deverell, Mr. Graham, Mr. I. H. Browne, Mr. P. Carew, lord Porchester, the attorney-general
152.
1805 May 31. Camberwell Water-works—Sir J. Frederick, Mr. Tierney
160
Conduct of Admiral Duckworth—Col. Wood, Mr. Baker, colonel Wood
161
Conduct of Mr. Pitt relative to the Loan to Boyd and Co.—Mr. H. Lascelles
161
Growth of Timber—Sir W. Dolben, the chancellor of the exchequer, sir W. Dolben, sir W. Elford, admiral Markham
162
Conduct of sir. Home Popham—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Kinnaird, sir J. Stewart, sir W. Burroughs, the speaker
163
1805 June 5. Middlesex Election—Mr. Creevey, the speaker, Mr. H. Thornton
169
Townleian Collection—The master of the rolls, sir W. Young, the master of the rolls
169
Non-residence of Irish Clergy—Sir J. Newport, Mr. J. Fitzgerald, Mr. Vansittart, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Alexander, sir G. Hill
172
Prize Agency bill—Mr. Johnstone, sir W. Scott
174
1805 June 6. Paddington Canal Coal bill—Sir R. Milbanke, Mr. Huskisson, sir M. W. Ridley, Mr. Burdon, Mr. S. Stanhope, Mr. Huskison
185
7. State of Public Affairs—Mr. Grey, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey
Conduct of Admiral Duckworth—Col. Wood, Mr. Baker, col. Wood, admiral Markham, the speaker, col. Wood, Mr. Dickinson, captain Bennet, sir W. Elford, Mr. Baker, lord Glenbervie, admiral Markham, col. Wood, captain Hervey
193
Duke of Atholl's Claim—Colonel Stanley, Mr. Curwen, sir W. Burroughs, Mr. Bond, lord Glenbervie, earl Temple, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr, Windham, lord De Blaquiere, Mr. Rose, Mr. Bankes, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Grey, the chancellor of the exchequer
210
1805 June 10. Duke of Atholl's Claim—Mr. Creevey, Mr. H. Addington, Mr. Curwen
246
1805 June 11. Impeachment of lord Melville—The speaker, Mr. R. Dundas, the speaker, lord Melville, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Bond, the master of the rolls, earl Temple, Mr. I. H. Browne, Mr. H. Addington, Mr. Alexander, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Pytches, Mr. S. Coxe, Mr. Cartwright, lord H. Petty, Mr. Wilberforce, the chancellor of the exchequer
249
1805 June 12. Impeachment of lord Melville (adjourned debate)—Mr. Leycester, Mr. Wilberforce, lord Castlereagh, Mr, Grey, Mr. R. Dundas, Mr. Ellison, Mr. G. Vansittart, Mr. Bankes, Mr. Canning, Mr. Bragge Bathurst, Mr. Ryder, the attorney-general, Mr. Whitbread
329
1805 June 14. Conduct of Mr. Pitt relative to the Loan to Boyd and Banfield—Mr. Whitbread, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. H. Lascelles, the chancellor of the exchequer, the speaker, Mr. Fox, Mr. H. Lascelles, lord Castlereagh, Mr. Rose, lord Glenbervie, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. H. Lascelles, Mr. Grey, Mr. S. Thornton, Mr. Dillon, Mr, Canning, Mr. Windham, the attorney-general, Mr. Fox, the attorney-general, Mr. W. Smith, Mr. H. Lascelles, Mr. Wilberforce, the master of the rolls, lord Castlesreagh Mr. Bond, col. Hutchinson, Mr. Whitbread
385
1805 June 17. Irish Commissioners of Compensations—Sir J. Newport, Mr. Vansittart, Mr. Ponsonby, sir J. Newport, Mr. Vansittart, sir J. Newport, Mr. Corry
432
Middlesex election—Mr. Creevey, Mr. H. Thornton, Mr. Creevey, the attorney-general
433
1805 June 19. Committee of Supply—Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey
450
Duke of Atholl's Claim—Mr. Frankland, Mr. Rose, sir W. Young, Mr. D. Giddy, Mr. Kinnaird, Mr. Johnstone, Mr. Harrison, lord Henniker, sir R. Williams, Mr. Windham, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Wilberforce, Mr. Barham, Mr. Curwen
451
Message from the king—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox
460
1805 June 20. Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Bond, Mr. Whitbread, the attorney-general, Mr. Bond, Mr. Whitbread, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox, Mr. Bond, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Canning, Mr. Harrison, the attorney-general, Mr. Bankes, Mr. Rose
484
State of Public Affairs—Mr. Grey, lord Castlereagh, Mr. Windham, Mr. Canning, Mr. Windham, earl Temple, Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey
490
His Majesty's Message relative to Continental Connexions—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Fox, lord henry Petty, Mr. Bankes, Mr. W. Smith, Mr. Long, Mr. W. Smith, Mr. Bankes, Mr. Windham
535
1805 June 24. Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Leycester
357
1805 June 25. Naval Administration of earl St. Vincent—Admiral Markham, Mr. Jeffery, admiral Markham, Mr. Jeffery, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Jeffery
561
Papers relating to the Nabob of Oude—Mr. Paull, lord Castlereagh, sir W. Burroughs, Mr. Windham, Mr. W. Pole, Mr. Paull
562
War in India—Mr. Francis, lord Castlereagh
566
State of the Army—Colonel Craufurd, the secretary at war
567
Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Bond, Mr. Leycester, sir Robert Buxton, Mr. Bond, Mr. Leycester, Mr. Bond, the solicitor-general, Mr. Bankes, the speaker, Mr. Bankes, Mr. Leycester, Mr. Bankes, lord Henry Petty, sir W. Burroughs, Mr. Charles Wynne, Mr. R. Williams, Mr. Windham, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Whitbread, general Lenox, the attorney-general, Mr. Fox, Mr. H. Addington, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. R. Dundas, Mr.Ker
567
1805 June 26. Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread
618
Woollen Manufacturers' bill—Mr. P. Moore, Mr. Wilberforce
620
1805 June 27. Duke of Atholl's Claim—Mr. Curwen, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Giddy, Mr. Windham
628
Smuggling Prevention bill—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Windham, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey, Mr. Fellowes, Mr. S. Bourne
630
1805 June 28. Petition of Mr. Todd Jones—Mr. Fox, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Vansittart
641
Nabob of Oude—Mr. Paull, Mr. W. Pole, Mr. Paull, lord Castlereagh
643
Affairs of India—Mr. Francis, lord Castlereagh
644
Smuggling Prevention bill—The chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Grey, Mr. Sturges Bourne, Mr. Windham, Dr. Laurence, the attorney-general
646
Case of colonel Cochrane Johnstone—General Fitzpatrick
648
State of the Army—Colonel Craufurd, lord Castlereagh, Mr. Fuller, sir James Pulteney, general Norton, sir William Erskine, Mr. Wortley Stuart, Mr. Windham, the secretary at war, colonel Craufurd
649
1805 July 1. Naval Administration of earl St. Vincent—Sir A. S. Hamond, admiral Markham, sir A. S. Hamond, Mr. Kinnaird, the chan
cellor of the exchequer, Mr. Jeffery, admiral Markham, sir A. S. Hamond, Mr. Jeffery, Mr. Tierney; Mr. Jeffery; Mr. Kinnaird, the speaker, Mr. Jeffery, Mr. Wilberforce, sir William Elford
706
Duke of Atholl's Claim—Mr. Wilberforce, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Windham, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Curwen, earl Temple, Mr. Barham, sir W. Elford, Mr. Bankes, Mr. W. Smith, Mr. Graham, sir W. Burroughs
711
1805 July 2. Trotter's Indemnity bill—Mr. Whitbread, sir W. Elford, Mr. Whitbread
719
Duke of Atholl's Claim—Mr. Creevey, earl Temple, colonel Stanley, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Calcraft, Mr. Wilberforce, lord De Blaquiere, Mr. Johnstone
720
1805 July 3. Naval Administration of earl St.- Vincent—Admiral Markham, Mr. W. Dickinson; admiral Markham, Mr. Jeffery, the speaker, Mr. Jeffery, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Jeffery, the speaker, Mr. Tierney, the secretary at war, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Jeffery, the speaker, admiral Markham
724
Trotter's Indemnity bill—Mr. Alexander, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Alexander, Mr. Whitbread
728
Conduct of sir Home Popham—Sir William Burroughs
728
Southern Whale Fishery bill—Mr. Rose; Mr. Barham, Mr. S. Bourne, Mr. Calcraft, Mr. S. Bourne, sir Charles Price, lord H. Petty, Mr. Huskisson, Mr. Giles, Mr. Rose, sir W. Curtis, Mr. Windham, Mr. Alexander
729
1805 July 4. Stipendiary Curates' Bill—The attorney-general
737
Articles of Impeachment against lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread
737
Trotter's Indemnity bill—Mr. Whitbread, sir W. Elford, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Rose, Mr. S. Bourne, Mr. serjeant Best, Mr. S. Bourne, Mr. Robert Dundas, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Alexander, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. C. Wynne, sir W. Burroughs
751
Financial Propositions—Mr. Johnstone
754
1805 July 5. Trotter's Indemnity bill—Sir W. Elford, lord H. Petty, the chancellor of the exchequer, Mr. Giles, Mr. S. Bourne, lord De Blaquiere, the speaker, lord De Blaquiere, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Johnstone
767
Southern Whale Fishery bill—Lord Brooke, Mr. Rose, sir C, Price
770
1805 July 8. Petition of. Mr. Todd Jones—Mr. Wickham, the speaker, Mr. Wilberforce
793
Conduct of sir Home Popham—Sir W. Burroughs
796
Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread, the speaker, Mr. Whitbread
796
9. Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread, the chancellor of the exchequer, earl Temple, Mr. C. Wynne, Mr. Whitbread, lord H. Petty
807
Case of captain Wright—Mr. Windham
808
1805 July 10. Case of Captain Wright—Sir Sidney Smith
823
Impeachment of lord Melville—Mr. Whitbread, the attorney-general, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. S. Bourne, the speaker
823
1805 July 11. Kirk of Scotland—Mr. Kinnaird, the secretary at war, Mr. Kinnaird, Mr. R. Dundas
827
Trotter's Indemnity bill—Mr. Whitbread, the speaker, Mr. Whitbread, sir W. Elford, Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Kinnaird, the attorney-general, Mr. C. Wynne, lord H. Petty, sir W. Elford
828
Case of Capain Wright—Mr. Windham, sir Sydney Smith, the chancellor of the exchequer
831
PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS, REPORTS, PETITIONS, PROTESTS, LISTS, &c.
PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS.
Articles of Impeachment against Henry lord viscount Melville
738
King's speech on proroguing parliament
846
Message from the king relative to continental alliances
447
FINANCE.—Great Britain.
Abstract statement of the public income of Great Britain, for the year ended 5th January, 1805
ccxi
Account of the sums paid into, and the charges upon, the consolidated fund of Great Britain, between 5th January, 1804, and 5th April, 1805
ccxiii
Account of the consolidated fund of Great Britain, for the year ended 5th January, 1805
Account of the net produce of the permanent taxes in Great Britain, taken for two years, ending respectively the 5th Jan. 1804, and 5th Jan. 1805
ccxix
Account of the net produce of the permanent and the war taxes for the year ending 5th January, 1805; distinguishing each quarter, and the produce of the permanent and the war taxes
ccxxiii
Account of the public expenditure of Great Britain, for the year ended the 5th of Jan. 1805
ccxxvii
Account of the monies paid out of the receipt of his majesty's exchequer in the year ended the 5th January 1805, towards satisfying the charges of the public funded debt of Great Britain, Ireland, and Imperial Loans
ccxxix
Account of the total amount of the sums actually received by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt, in the year ending the 5th of January, 1805
ccxxix
Account of the interest paid on exchequer bills, from the 5th of Jan. 1804 to the 5th of Jan. 1805
ccxxxi
Account of the charges upon the consolidated fund of Great Britain, in the year ending the 5th of Jan. 1805
ccxxxi
Account of the amount of bounties paid in England and Scotland, and of the revenues of customs and excise between the 5th of Jan. 1804 and the 5th of Jan. 1805; being payments in the nature of anticipations of exchequer issues
ccxxxiii
Account of payments from parliamentary grants, for the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
ccxxxiii
Account, shewing the amount of monies received from his majesty's exchequer for naval services, between the 5th Jan. 1804 and 5th Jan. 1805
ccxxxv
Account of monies paid by the office of ordnance in the year 1804
ccxxxv
Account of the miscellaneous services for the year ending the 5th Jan. 1805
ccxxxvii
Account of the unfunded debt and demands outstanding on 5th Jan. 1805
ccxli
Account of the progress made in the redemption of the public funded debt of Great Britain, at 1st of Feb. 1802
ccxliii
Account of the progress made in the redemption of the public funded debt of Ireland funded in Great Britain 1st Feb. 1805
ccxliii
Account of the progress made in the redemption of the imperial debt, 1st Feb. 1805
ccxlv
Account of all the pensions granted by the crown, between the 1st May, 1804, and 1st April, 1805
ccxlvii
Account of the amount of the notes of the bank of England in circulation on the 15th day of each month, from Dec. 1803, to the 15th Feb. 1805
ccxli
FINANCE.—Ireland.
Abstract statement of the public income of Ireland for the year ended 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the consolidated fund of Ireland for the year ended 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the public expenditure of Ireland, for the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the monies, paid out of the receipt of the exchequer, in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805, towards satisfying the charge of the public funded debt of Ireland
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Account of the sums actually received by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt of Ireland; in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the interest on exchequer bills of Ireland, with the payments made from 5th Jan. 1804 to 5th of Jan. 1805
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Account of payments made for purposes appointed by the parliament of Ireland prior to the union, in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of payments made from the funds appropriated for local purposes in Ireland, from 5th Jan. 1804 to 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of payments in the year to the 5th Jan. 1805, under the several heads of Civil List, Pensions, and other permanent charges
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Account of the amount of bounties paid out of the public revenue of Ireland, in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805; being payments in the nature and anticipation of exchequer receipts
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Account of the amount of payments to the militia, army of reserve, &c. of Ireland, in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of monies paid to the office of ordnance of Ireland, in the year to the 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of monies paid on account of his. majesty's forces in Ireland, in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
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Account, shewing the payments in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805, for miscellaneous services in Ireland
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Account of the amount of payments from the vote of credit, in the year ending the 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the value of all imports into and all exports from Ireland, for the year ending the 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the number of vessels, with the amount of their tonnage, which have been built and registered in the several ports of Ireland, between the 5th Jan. 1804 and 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the number of vessels, with the amount of their tonnage, and number of men and boys actually employed in navigating the same, which belonged to the several ports of Ireland, on the 30th Sept. 1804
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Account of the Public Funded Debt of Ireland, on the 5th Jan. 1805
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Account of the unfunded debt of Ireland, on the 5th Jan. 1805
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Account, shewing how the monies granted, for- the service of the year 1804, for Ireland, have been disposed of
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REPORTS.
Report of the Select Committee of the House of Commons on the Tenth Naval Report
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Report of the Select Committee of the House of Commons on the Eleventh Naval Report
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Report of the Committee of Secrecy of the House of Commons on the Eleventh Naval Report
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Report of the Select Committee of the House of Commons on the Petition of the Duke of Atholl
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PETITIONS.
Petitions relating to the Tenth Naval Report; from the County of Surry, 10; from the City of York, 11; from Norfolk, 24; from Hertford, 32; from Reading, 32; from the County of Southampton, 191.
Petition from the House of Keys, and Inhabitants of the Isle of Man, respecting the Duke of Atholl's Claim
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Petition of Paul Bridson, and W. Stowell, esq. merchants of the Isle of Man, in behalf of the Duke of Atholl's Claim
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Petition from the Trustees of the British Museum, respecting the purchase of Mr. Townley's Collection
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Petition of Mr. Todd Jones
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PROTESTS.
Protest entered on the Journals of the House of Lords, by Lord Auckland, relative to the proceedings against judge Fox
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Protest entered on the Journals of the House of Lords against the Duke of Atholl's Annuity Bill
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LISTS.
List of the majority in the house of commons, on the motion for ordering a criminal prosecution against Henry lord viscount Melville, June 12, 1805
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List of Public Acts passed during the Third Session of the Second Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
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During the Third Session of the Second Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and of the Kingdom of Great Britain the Nineteenth, appointed to meet at Westminster, the Fourth Day of September, 1804, and from thence continued, by several Prorogations, to the Fifteenth Day of January, in the Forty-fifth Year of the Reign of King GEORGE the Third, Annoque Domini 1805.
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, May 15.
[MINUTES.] On the motion of the earl of Darnley, the order for summoning the house to-morrow on his motion relative to the navy was discharged. He stated as his reason for postponing the business, the recent circumstances which had occurred in the naval department, and the inconvenience which both noble lords on the other side and some of his own friends would feel in entering into the debate to-morrow. He should renew his notice in the course of next week.—The earl of Suffolk gave notice of his intention to submit to the house a motion relative to the state of Ireland. This he felt it his duty to do, in consequence of the contradictory averments made by noble lords on that subject, when an important question concerning the Roman catholics of that country was under discussion two nights ago. That due time might be given to consider the business, he should fix so, distant a day as this day fortnight for bringing forward his motion. Some of the ministerial lords having come in, the noble earl added, that the object of his motion should be for an address to his majesty, praying that he would be pleased to appoint commissioners to go over to Ireland, to investigate into the state of that country, and to report to their lordships. His lordship then proceeded to read a passage from lord Bacon, which he thought applicable to the case. He was then called to order by the lord chancellor, but persisted in his right to proceed, and concluded
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[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] Lord
Auckland,
The
Lord Chancellor
de novo,
The
Lord Chancellor
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The
Lord Chancellor
The
Lord Chancellor
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Lord
Auckland,
The
Lord Chancellor,
Lord
Auckland
The
Lord Chancellor,
Lord
Mulgrave
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Lord
Auckland
[UNIVERSITIES ADVOWSON BILL.] The order of the day for the third reading of this bill being read,
Lord
Sidmouth
The Bishop of
Oxford
The Earl of
Suffolk
The Bishop of
St. Asaph
The Earl of
Westmoreland
The Lord
Chancellor
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, May 16.
[MINUTES.] Sir J. Stewart, accompanied by several members, brought up a message from the house of commons, in purport requesting, that the earl of St. Vincent be permitted to attend on the select committee of that house, to whom the consideration of the case of sir Home Popham, bart. is referred. On the motion of lord Hawkesbury, it was ordered to be communicated to the messengers, that their lordships would send an answer by messengers of their own; which was accordingly done by the lord chancellor.—Several private bills were brought up from the commons, which were severally read a first time.—The bills upon the table were read in their several stages.
[LOCAL OATHS' BILL.] The order of the day for the second reading of a bill introduced by the earl of Radnor, "for enabling bodies corporate, in the cases and under the restrictions therein contained, to obtain the correction of local oaths, administered by the said bodies corporate," being read, the bill was accordingly read a second time.
Lord
Hawkesbury
The Earl of
Radnor
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The
Lord Chancellor
The Earl of
Radnor
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, May 16.
[MINUTES.] Mr. Leycester reported from the select committee, to whom the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry (respecting the office of the treasurer of his majesty's navy) is referred, to enquire into the application of any monies issued to the treasurer of the navy for naval services to purposes not naval, and whether any and what representations were made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, or the chancellor of the exchequer, respecting the withdrawing from the bank any sums of money so issued since
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[PETITION OF THE COUNTY OF SURREY RELATING TO THE 10TH NAVAL REPORT.] A petition of the gentlemen, clergy, and freeholders, of the county of Surrey, was presented to the house, by lord W. Russell, and read; setting forth, "that the petitioners beg leave to express their unfeigned gratitude to the house for the measures they have taken towards detecting, and bringing to justice, those servants of the crown who have broken the law, violated their trust, and used the public money for purposes of private emolument and ambition, and they implore the house not to desist from the prosecution of those inquiries which they have so honourably and so successfully begun; and they intreat the house to bear in mind how patiently the people of England have sustained the immense burthens imposed upon them, the sufferings they have endured, and are now enduring, the enormously advanced prices of the necessaries of life, and, above all, their generous, unsuspecting confidence at all times in those in whose hands the earnings of their industry were deposited; and that, thankful as the petitioners are to the house for having recorded upon their journals the flagrant breaches of trust committed by unfaithful servants, they beg leave most humbly to represent to the house the necessity of guarding against a repetition of similar frauds, peculations, and abuses; and that the petitioners, there-
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[PETITION OF THE CITY OF YORK RELATING TO THE 10TH NAVAL REPORT.]
A petition of the inhabitants of the city of York, convened, pursuant to request, by the right honourable the lord mayor, and assembled in the Guildhall of the said City, on Monday the 13th day of May, 1805, was presented to the house, by Mr. L. Dundas, and read; setting forth, "that the petitioners feel the deepest gratitude to the house for its patriotic votes on the 8th and 10th days of April last, founded on the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry; the one declaring lord viscount Melville to be guilty of a gross violation of the laws, and a high breach of his public duty; and the other ordering such resolution to be laid at the foot of the throne, the whole house attending; the petitioners are convinced that no act of any branch of the legislature has ever been received with more satisfaction by the peo-
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[CONTINENTAL CONNEXIONS.] Mr. Grey rose for the purpose of putting a question to the right hon. the chancellor of the exchequer on a subject of great public interest. On the first clay of the session it had been announced to the house in the speech from the throne, that a pacific overture had been received from France, to which his majesty had declined giving any direct answer till he should consult certain powers on the continent, and particularly Russia, with which he maintained relations
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Fox
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Fox
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[MILITARY COMMISSIONERS' BILL.] The house having resolved itself into a committee on the bill for appointing commissioners to enquire into the abuses in the military expenditure of the country,
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Giles
Mr.
Rose
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Mr.
Fox
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Mr.
Rose
Mr.
Fox
Mr.
George Ponsonby
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Whitbread
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Mr.
Grey
Mr.
Rose
Mr.
Fox
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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have
Mr. Serjeant
Best
The
Attorney-General
Mr.
Smith
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Fox
Sir
W. Burroughs
Mr.
Fox
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Mr.
Hiley Addington
Admiral
Markham
Mr.
Giles
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, May 17.
[MINUTES.] The royal assent was given, by commission, to the Irish Bank Token bill, Irish Promissory Notes, Irish Post Roads, and Scots Excise Officers bill, and to twenty-six bills of a private or local description. — Mr. Alexander presented from the commons the Land Tax Commissioners Name bill, the Property Tax Amendment bill, and the Irish First Fruits bill, which were severally read a first time.—The earl of Darnley acquainted their lordships that he should, on Friday next, bring forward the motion, of which he had formerly given notice, respecting the naval documents upon the table, and moved that the lords be summoned for that day. Ordered. — Lord Auckland observed, that very little had been done in consequence of the report of the committee of the last session, towards improving their lordships' house, and rendering the precincts thereof more commodious, save the erection of one additional fire-place. His noble and learned friend on the woolsack was far from being adequately accommodated; and the learned gent., the principal clerk, had no proper place to transact his part of the business in, except he opened his own house for that purpose. What he intended to propose was, the appointment of a committee of their lordships, under an order similar to that of last session. He then moved, "that a committee be appointed to consider of the best means of more effectually lighting and warming the house, improving the precincts thereof, and removing all nuisances in the approaches to the house." The motion was agreed
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, May 17.
[MINUTES.] A message from the lords by the deputy usher of the Black Rod required the attendance of the house at their lordships' bar, where the royal assent was given by commission to the Irish Loan act, the Irish Post Roads act, the Irish Promissory Note act, the Irish Dollar Token act, the Scotch Excise Office act, and several private acts.—On the third reading of the bill for allowing a salary to the chairman of the session of Stalford Hundred in the country of Lancaster, objections were made by sir Robert Buxton and Mr. Shaw Lefevre, on the ground that it was a bad precedent. The bill was defended by colonel Stanley and lord Stanley. The gallery was cleared for a division, and the doors remained shut for a considerable time, during which the debate continued. We believe an amendment was proposed in the committee, for on re-opening of the gallery, we found the bill was ordered to be read a third time this day se'nnight, by a majority of 49 to 38.—Lord Castlereagh, pursuant to the notice he gave last night, moved that leave be given to bring in a bill to amend and render more effectual the act for establishing and erecting public infirmaries in Ireland. His lordship was induced to make this motion from a conviction of the great inconveniency sustained by the poorer classes of people, from the distance they often were from those hospitals, and meant that the bill, among other regulations, should remedy that evil by providing fur the establishment of dispensaries at proper distances. Sir John Newport wished that an accurate enquiry should be made into the mode of conducting those county hospitals, as he was convinced great abuses existed in that quarter, and that the funds were not unfrequently converted into purposes of private emolument. Leave was then granted, and a committee appointed to draw up the bill.—On the motion of lord Stanley, a return of the number of the militia who have volunteered into the regular service, specifying the number from each regiment and the kind of force they had joined, as artillery, marine, &c. was ordered.—Mr. Creevey gave notice that
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[PETITION FROM NORFOLK RESPECTING THE TENTH NAVAL REPORT.] A petition of the gentlemen, clergy, and freeholders of the county of Norfolk, convened by the high sheriff of the said county, at the castle of Norwich, in the shire-house there, on Tuesday the 14th day of May 1805, was presented to the house, and read; setting forth, "that the petitioners beg leave to express their gratitude to the house for the steps which they have already taken towards the detection and punishment of those servants of the crown who have defied the laws, broken their trust, and applied enormous sums of the public money to their own corrupt purposes of emolument and power; and that in the name of a loyal and suffering people, the petitioners implore the house not to relax in their exertions; they intreat them to consider how patiently the petitioners have seen millions added to millions of the national debt, the rapid advance in every article of consumption, their burthens increasing, and their means of bearing them diminishing, in the just hope that while engaged in extensive wars what they contributed with cheerfulness would be be applied with fidelity, and as the law expressly directed; and that faithful to their first duties, the house have recorded, by the resolutions of the 8th and 10th of April, that the people of England have been grossly, wronged by lord Melville; and the petitioners humbly represent to the house the necessity of effectually protecting the nation against future depredations; and therefore praying the house, first, to investigate and sift to the bottom the remaining charges of abuse in the application of the public money, contained in the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry, secondly, to examine minutely into the nature of those irregularities brought to light in the eleventh report of the said commissioners, and likewise
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[PETITION OF THE HOUSE OF KEYS AND INHABITANTS OF THE ISLE OF MAN, RESPECTING THE DUKE ATHOLL'S CLAIM.] A petition of the house of Keys, of the Isle of Man; and also, a petition of several inhabitants and proprietors of estates within the Isle of Man; were severally presented to the house by Mr Curwen, and read; setting forth, "that the people of Man not being represented in parliament, the petitioners hope, that when a measure affecting them and their posterity is introduced into the house, they may be deemed peculiarly entitled to its protection; and that the centrical position of the isle, and the comparatively low rate of duties paid to the feudal lord, made the isle the place of deposit for contraband goods for the purpose of clandestine conveyance to the neighbouring coasts —the privilege of subordinate sovereignty being thus abused, by which the feudal lord benefited equally with the trader, the necessity of re-acquiring it became obvious; and the treasury was therefore authorized, in the year 1726, to purchase the isle from the then proprietors: in the year 1735 the Atholl family became possessed of the isle; and from that time it would seem that the proprietors expected to _sell, until the year 1765, when the bargain was concluded between the treasury and the then duke and duchess of Atholl, for 70,000 I, the sum asked by the noble proprietors; and that this bargain received the sanction of parliament; and besides the price required, his majesty was pleased, as an act of gracious bounty, to bestow on
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ex parte
[MILITARY COMMISSIONERS' BILL.] On the report of this bill being brought up,
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Grey
Mr.
Fox
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
[NAVAL COMMISSIONERS' RENEWAL BILL.] On the report of this bill being brought up,
Admiral
Markham
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
[IRISH ELECTION BILL.] The house went into a committee on the Irish election bill. On the first clause being read,
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Mr.
Maurice Fitzgerald
Mr.
G. Ponsonby
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, May 20.
[MINUTES.] Their lordships proceeded further in the appeal Redington
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, May 20.
[MINUTES] On the motion of colonel Stanley, the committee to whom the petition of the duke of Atholl had been referred, were empowered to report their proceedings to the house from time to time.—Mr. Creevey moved for an account of the salaries, fees, and emoluments of the admiralty court, the register court, and the marshal court. The reason was, that the emoluments had increased to a great degree of late years, and he thought that these courts ought to be separated. Sir William Scott observed, that he had not the smallest objections to this; but it would be recollected, that he had no emolument from Sitting in the appeal court, and that he only sat there as a privy counsellor. Mr. Corry paid a high compliment to the abi
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[CORNELIUS GROGAN'S ATTAINDER.] Mr.
Richard Martin
Mr.
Foster
Mr.
Martin
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[PETITION FROM HERTFORD RESPECTING THE TENTH NAVAL REPORT.] A petition of the freeholders of the county of Hertford, convened by the high sheriff at Hertford, on Saturday 18th May, 1805, and whose names are thereunto subscribed, was presented to the house by Mr. Plumer and read; setting forth, "that the petitioners have received the votes of the house of the 8th and 10th days of April last, with a satisfaction as great as have been their astonishment, indignation, and sorrow,at the gross and flagrant system of negligence and peculation which has been disclosed by the commissioners of naval enquiry; and with a gratitude proportioned to the extensive security and important national advantages thence to be expected, the petitioners beg leave to state their firm conviction, that nothing can so much contribute to the happiness of the people, the success of the contest in which the nation is engaged, and the ultimate well being of the country, as a system of economy planned with prudence, adhered to with firmness, and conducted, in its details, with diligence, caution, and integrity; impressed as they are with this conviction, the petitioners entreat, the house to accept their grateful thanks for the enquiries which it has already instituted: to the further prosecution of the object above-mentioned they earnestly pray the attention of the house, and beseech them to pursue with effect that which they have begun with so much honour, and that they will institute and persevere in a general system of enquiry which shall be co-extensive which shall be co-extensive with the abuses which may exist in the expenditure of the public money."
[PETITION FROM READING RESPECTING THE TENTH NAVAL REPORT.] A petition of several inhabitants of the Borough of Reading, in the county of Berks, was presented to the house and read; setting forth, "that the petitioners beg leave to
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, May 21.
[MINUTES]
The Lord Chancellor delivered his opinion at considerable length relative to the appeal cause, Blane, esq. trustee of sir Andrew Cathcart, against the earl of Cassilis. His lordship thought that as to some parts of the property in dispute, the interlocutors of the court of session ought to be affirmed, and with respect to the remainder, that it Ought to be remitted to that court for further consideration. He wished, however, for the sake of more accuracy, that final judgment should be postponed till Friday; which was agreed to.—On the second reading of Lingham's Divorce bill, Mr. Parke was heard on the part of the petitioner, and evidence was examined to prove the fact of adultery committed by Mrs. Lingham. The further consideration was postponed till Tuesday.—It was ordered, on the motion of lord Auckland, that an account of the proceedings which have obtained, within a given period, for the improvement of the Chest at Chatham, should be laid before the house.—The order of the day for taking the late message from the commons into consideration, respecting the attendance of the Earl of St. Vincent upon a select committee, being read; Lord Hawkesbury observed generally, that he conceived the usual practice in such cases was, that the noble lord adverted to in the message should, in his place, rise and state either his willingness or objection to attend, as requested, or, in his absence, appoint some noble lord, to declare for him his dispositions on that head; under these circumstances, should
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[WEST INDIA ACCOUNTS.] The Earl of Suffolk
called the attention of their lordships to the circumstance of his having moved some time since for, the production of certain West India accounts; which was then agreed to by the house; but none of which were yet produced. He wished to know of a noble secretary, whether these accounts were soon likely to be laid upon the table, as he meant to ground some important motion thereon, and the session approximated to its close?
Lord Hawkesbury
observed, that it was impossible to get the accounts moved for by the noble earl, ready for production within the time. They were of a very voluminous nature, comprising accounts of all the monies drawn for from the West-India Islands for a number of years; the preparation was certainly going forward, in the proper offices; but he was unable to tell when they would be ready for presentation. If the noble earl mentioned any particular items, or the accounts of any particular time, on which to found any particular proposition, they might, perhaps, be speedily produced.
The Earl of Suffolk
spoke in explanation, and said, he did not wish for an account of any sum lower than 2,000l. While the noble earl was on his legs, he begged leave to call their lordships' attention to another case of non-production of accounts. He alluded to that of the proceeds of old naval stores, and their application. The motion he alluded to was at least a year and a half ago; and no corresponding account had been since produced. These proceeds must be very considerable, when it was considered, that in some years not less than two millions were voted, for the service of the navy, and the great wear and tear which must take place among our blockading squadrons. After some further observations, his lordship moved, for
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Lord Auckland
observed, that, on account of the time stated in the motion, it was evidently impossible it could be complied with. The motion afterwards was allowed to be withdrawn for the purpose of its being new-modelled by the noble earl.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]
The order of the day being moved, for their lordships going into a committee, upon the motions alledged in charge against the above judicial character;
Lord Hawkcsbury
observed, that he thought the most proper and regular course of proceeding in the case, as it had stood before their lordships, was, that an address should be moved to his majesty on the occasion, embodying in such motion or address, a statement of the facts upon which the charge, giving rise to the address, was founded; and then to refers the consideration of the whole to a committee of the house, for the purpose of affording a regular opportunity of proving at the bar, the allegations stated in the address. This line of proceeding would, he thought, best square with the act of settlement; and, upon this ground, he should beg leave to suggest to his noble friend, the propriety of moving such an address, in which should be embodied, for the purpose he had mentioned, the important, facts of the case.
The Marquis of Abercorn
expressed his willingness to accede to the proposition of the noble secretary, did such appear to be the sense of their lordships, as the most proper; for, it was his wish never again to be reproached with urging the adoption of any particular mode of proceeding, in preference to another. Under this impression, he should therefore readily undertake to move an address as suggested; but he should content himself with simply moving the address, and not offer a word in the way of comment upon it. From the moment, he judged it important to come forward as he had done, in a case involving the rights and privileges of his fellow subjects, end saw the matter placed in a train of investigation. He had carefully, as their lordships must recollect, abstained from any observations in that house, which might go to affect the individual, or bias their lordships' judgment on the case. On these grounds, he repeated he should content himself with simply moving the address.—On the motion of lord Auckland,
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, May 21.
[MINUTES.]
On the order of the day for the third reading of the bill for the better supplying of Market Towns in Ireland with water, sir George Hill opposed it, on the ground, that it would have a partial operation, and subject many persons to rates who did not stand in need of such accommodation. He should make no objection if the heavy expense was to fall exclusively on those who wished for it; but, considering that it would he burthen-some as well as unnecessary in general, he moved, that the bill be read a third time this day three months. Mr. Barnard and sir W. Burroughs spoke in favour of the bill; and Mr. French, sir W. Elford, and Mr. M'Naghten, against it. Mr. Foster considered the measure to be of considerable importance, and such as should not be hastily adopted, as a general act, meant only for local advantage, might ultimately tend to the embarrassment of the whole country. He should therefore recommend it to the hon. baronet (sir G. Hill) to withdraw his motion, for the purpose of postponing the third reading to this day. fortnight, when gentlemen might be better prepared to understand it. To this, Mr. M'Naghten objected, that in the course of a fortnight many Irish members would have occasion to return home; and, after some desultory conversation, the house divided on sir G. Hill's amendment; for it 29; against, it 27; majority 2. The bill was then ordered to be read a third time this day fortnight.
[IRISH SECRET SERVICE MONEY.] Sir John Newport
rose to bring forward his promised motion, for an account of the secret service money disbursed by the Irish government, from the year 1793 to the present time. He thought the subject one to which it was highly necessary to call the attention of parliament, as a head of public expenditure, under which there had been no investigation whatever for the last seven or eight years. The disbursement of money by the government of this country, under a similar head, had for a long series of years eluded enquiry: though frequently, proposed, it was often rejected, like many other salutary objects, until at length the perseverance of the house of commons prevailed, and the secret service money
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Mr. Vansittart
said, that if the hon. bart. merely wanted an account of the money laid out for secret service, there could be but one objection to it, and that was, that it was unnecessary, because the amount of the money to be so expended was limited, and defined by act of parliament. But the hon. bart. seemed to think that there were other suns of money so applied, over and above the sum allowed by law: if that were the case, if the hon. bart. could bring forward any fact of that kind, it certainly would be well worthy the attention of parliament. But it certainly appeared to him unnecessary to go into an enquiry until some fact was stated to shew the expediency of that enquiry.—The act of 1793, to which the hon. bart. had alluded, followed the principle of Mr. Burke's bill in this country, and limited the amount of money to be expended for secret service to a small sum; and he supposed it would not be denied that it would be impossible for any government to be carried on without the power of disposing of some secret service money, without being obliged afterwards to make public the way in which it had been laid out. In the year 1741, an attempt was made in this country to enquire into the application of secret service money. It was admitted in the report of the committee appointed upon that occasion, that it was absolutely necessary that government should have the application of a certain sum for secret service money, without being obliged to explain the way in which it was expended, because that would defeat the very purpose of it; but it was stated that the sums so laid out appeared to be enormous. Afterwards, by the bill brought in by Mr. Burke, the sum to be so expended by government was limited to
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Mr. Dennis Browne
also opposed the motion, and observed, that certainly the noble lord (Castlereagh) did carry the measure of union which the hon. baronet had so highly praised, and admitted to be of such high importance to the empire; and it was rather extraordinary that an enquiry should now be moved under the head of secret service, which seemed invidiously to glance at the carrying of that measure. Certainly large sums had been found necessary to be disbursed in the secret service of that country, in order to detect and frustrate a jacobinical conspiracy, which had its origin so early as 1790, and the application of secret service money, under the direction and talents of Mr. Edward Cooke, then secretary in the civil department, was most effectual for the purpose.—The question being loudly called for,
Sir John Newport
rose to reply. He observed, that as to secret service money disbursed for the suppression of rebellion, the ministers were not called on to account, as that was specially excepted by the act of parliament; but this was no reason why no enquiry should be made respecting the expenditure of the sum not so granted. He did not wish to disguise the object of his enquiry. Rumour had very strongly stated, that very large sums, to the amount of more than 25 times five thousand pounds, had been expended by the government of Ireland of very late years, in a very improper and unconstitutional way; and to investigate this was the object he had in view. If the house rejected this enquiry, particularly the sums lavished for the purposes of the union, they would answer the public call in the same manner that sir Wm, D'Avenant related of lord Stair, who, when called upon for an account of the sums paid in quieting the Highlands of Scotland, replied, "the money is all spent, the Highlands are quiet, and that is the best account that I can give you," In the same manner, the noble lord opposite him might say, "the money is gone, the union is accomplished, and you may now be satisfied, for that is the bes account I can give you."—The house the divided on the motion; for it 67; against it 93; majority 46.
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[STIPENDIARY CURATES' BILL.]
The order of the day being read for going into a committee on the Stipendiary Curates' bill,
Lord Porchester
opposed the bill as unjust, illegal, and unconstitutional in its principle, and unwarrantably disposing of the property of beneficed clergymen, who, from illness, infirmity, or other unavoidable causes, might become non-resident; in which case, at the option or caprice of the diocesan, a gentleman was liable, by the bill, to be deprived of one-fifth of the Value of his whole living, to enrich a curate appointed by the bishop to do duty in his parish. It would not be denied that the revenues of the church were as much private property as any other tenures, subject only to the condition that the clerical duties should be properly performed. If the incumbents, therefore; were not culpable, their rights should not be affected; and if they found proper substitutes to perform their duty when circumstances rendered them incapable of doing so themselves, it was as much as parliament had a right to expect of them. By the law hitherto in force, the power of the bishop was limited to an allowance of 50l. or at most 75l. to curates, according to circumstances, and he did not hear that any application had been made by curates, stating, that they had not a proper allowance, or by bishops, that they had not sufficient power to grant it to them. There was no proof either that the incumbents did not provide proper persons to perform the necessary functions; and he would therefore ask, what occasion there was for this bill? If the measure went upon an erroneous principle, he was aware of nothing which could do away that objection. This innovation went to no less than to give to curates three times the salary that they were allowed before, and infinitely more than was necessary for providing substitutes. By this bill, the power of the bishop would be exorbitant; for if he thought it right to have more than one curate, he might appropriate one-third of the whole income of the incumbent. There were, he understood, some rectories of 3,000l. a year, and surely it would be preposterous to deprive the person who held such a living of 1,000l. a year, for the purposes of curacy. The legislators had already amerced the incumbents for non-residence, and it was rather too hard to lay this second fine upon them. He strongly objected to such decisive authority being given to bishops, and
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defended the bill, conceiving it to he but just and necessary that those incumbents who did not perform the duty which their situation required of them, should be obliged to pay the curates who performed that duty for them. That was simply the object of the bill, and therefore he approved of it. Any faults it contained might, in his opinion, be easily corrected in the committee.
Mr. Western
said, he had, on a former occasion, shortly stated his reasons for not approving this bill, and he would now, as briefly as possible, repeat his objections to it. He thought it was an attack and infringement on the property of the clergy, which the house had not a right to make. He thought also, that vesting a power in the bishop to give away so much of the revenues of the rector, as one-fifth of the value of his living, was subjecting the more opulent members of the church to a too great dependence on the bishops For these reasons he should object to the speaker's leaving the chair.
Mr. Burton
spoke in favour of the bill. He said, the house, the glebe, the tithes, and other property, were not the objects of the bill; the real objects were, the du
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Mr. C. Wynne
said, he thought there were some parts of the bill which were highly objectionable; but as these might be modified, obviated, or totally altered, he certainly should vote that the bill go to a committee.
Sir J. C. Hippisley
said, that he did not rise to oppose going into a committee, but what he had to say was applicable rather to the high duties attached to the spiritual functions of the clergy, and to guard against their violation, than to interfere with the temporalities of their benefices. He was aware that some difficulty and embarrassment was involved with the subject that he should mention, yet in a choice of difficulties and evils it was ever prudent to choose the least. His object was to empower the bishop, in certain cases, to appoint a stipendiary curate,
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was against the bill. He thought it would diminish the value of livings, and it was therefore a direct violation of property. Another objection to it with him was, that it very much increased the power of the bishops. It had been said there was no danger with them of that being abused. Ha had as high and respectful an opinion of the bishops of this country as any man could have, and believed them to be very good men, and highly honourable characters. He should, however, vote against the speaker leaving the chair.
Mr. Fellowes
said he highly approved the bill, though there were some parts of it which he hoped to see improved in the committee.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer
denied the principle contended for by the noble lord, and the other opposers of the bill, that the property of a beneficed clergyman in his living was of the same nature as his landed estate. Such, indeed, Was the property of the advowson, but such was the jealousy of the law on this point, that for the patron to sell the next presentation to that advowson, would be a simoniacal bargain. The living, on the contrary, was to be considered rather as a freehold tenure held upon certain conditions of service; but he should like to know where was the injustice or the tyranny in obliging a man to pay another for the performance of that service which he did not choose to perform himself, and upon the condition of which he held the tenure. The tenure of a clergyman in his living was also held upon the indispensable condition of rendering services inseparably connected with the religion, the morality, and the loyalty of the country. To whom must the country look for the support of loyalty amongst the people, but to the resident clergymen of the established church, who, by their own doctrine and example, have at all times so eminently promoted the cause of loyalty amongst their parishioners? A bill had been recently passed by the house, enforcing the residence of the clergy under the direction of the bishops, to whom it gave extensive powers; which powers this bill restricted rather than enlarged; for it only authorized the bishops to assign one-fifth of the income of the living, where it exceeded 400l. a year, to the maintenance of a curate to do the duty of a clergyman who did not chuse to do it
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, May 22.
[MINUTES.]
Counsel were finally heard relative to the Irish Appeal, Reddington
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The order of the day being read,
The Marquis of Abercorn
moved an address to his majesty, in which were embodied various matters of charge against Luke Fox, esq. one of the judges of his majesty's court of common pleas in Ireland. The charges enumerated were, with a few exceptions, those contained in the petitions presented, and the articles of complaint preferred against Mr. Justice Fox, and respecting the alledged misconduct of that judge, while employed on one of the circuits in Ireland. The address concluded with praying his majesty, that therefore he
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Lord Hawkesbury
said, he should move two propositions on the address now read; first, that it be referred to the consideration of a committee of the whole house; and, secondly, that the house should resolve itself into a committee, for the purpose of enquiring into the truth of the facts alledged in the said petition.--On the question being put,
Lord Auckland
rose, and stated a variety of objections against the proposed line of proceeding. He had frequently urged his sentiments as to the propriety of commencing proceedings in that house upon matters of mere misdemeanour. He submitted whether it did not go to call upon any individual to come forward in his defence, upon matters alledged by any member of that house in his place? Though, at the same time, he confessed, that the mode now proposed was infinitely less exceptionable than the course adopted in the first instance. Besides, there was more than one difficulty which would attend the proceeding in question; they would have to enter upon a detailed examination of the whole case, and then perhaps have to call upon the accused gentleman for his defence. Another consideration adverted to by his lordship was that of the great and unavoidable expence to the parties, which such a mode of proceeding must occasion. The very advanced period of the session was also to be considered; a period, at which all their lordships must feel it was almost physically impossible to get through the business.
The Lord Chancellor
spoke at some length, and with great ability, upon the question. He expressed his hope that by their lordships promptly and sedulously applying to the investigation of the business, at least, on the part of that house, it might be got through during the present session. He had to observe the great delicacy of the learned person who was accused, in abstaining from the exercise of his judicial functions, though to his great pecuniary loss, while the accusation was pending; this consideration should combine with those of justice to the individual and to the country, to induce their lordships to make an effectual struggle speedily to come to a decision upon the subject. It had now proceeded so far, that the mat
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strongly supported the objections of his noble friend (lord Auckland). Commencing with the business
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Lord Holland
argued on the same side. The novelty of the case, he observed, rendered it of greater importance, and their lordships should be more cautious as to the precedent they should set. Perhaps, in the enquiry, impeachable matter should come out, which of course, would go to place them eventually in a judicial situation. The proposed mode would, therefore, be as unfavourable to the ends of justice, as to the dignity of their lordships' proceedings.
Lord Hawkesbury
spoke in answer to some general observations made by the last speaker. With .respect to the particular case under consideration, he observed, that the advanced period of the session, and the circumstances of the delays which had hitherto occurred, should be a stimulus to their lordships to begin the proposed enquiry, as soon as they could, to go on as long as they could, and, if they were not able to terminate it this session, to do all in their power to do so. However, with respect to that house, he thought it far from impossible to conclude the business this session.
The Marquis of Abercorn
expressed himself willing to acquiesce in what was suggested by the noble and learned lord, in expunging those parts of the address alluded to; but this acquiescence Was founded in reasons very different from those which were urged as adequate for such an omission. He could not assent to the idea, that a judge was not to be called to a parliamentary account, except for his official conduct us such. The noble marquis then explained the specific grounds on which he entertained no objection to expunge the particular parts alluded to.
Lord Mulgrave
was of opinion, that no article of charge, which would not of itself be sufficient to ground an address of removal, should be considered by the committee; such a regulation would tend greatly to expedite their lordships' decision, which he was inclined to think might very well be made this session.
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Lord Harrowby
expressed his concurrence in the opinion that a judge may be guilty of several acts, besides those he may commit in his judicial capacity, which would render his removal necessary and proper; there were also several acts of a judge, on which it may be proper to ground an address for removal, and still not amount to a cause for the more serious proceeding of impeachment.--The marquis of Abercorn, who had been permitted to withdraw the address, for the purpose of making the suggested omissions, returned the address so amended. The questions were then regularly put, and the address was ordered to be referred to a committee of the whole house on Monday next, for the purpose of an enquiry into the truth of the facts alledged therein. The petitions, &c. which had been presented, relative to the complaints against Mr. Justice Fox, were referred to the said committee; and, on the motion of lord Hawkesbury, a copy of the address was ordered to be furnished to Mr. Justice Fox.—Some conversation arising between lord Auckland, the lord Chancellor, lord Hawkesbury, and other peers, about the proper forms of proceeding, the attendance of Mr. Justice Fox, &c., these points, particularly the question, "where and how" Mr. Justice Fox should attend? were, on the motion of the lord chancellor, ordered to be taken into consideration on Friday next.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, May 22.
[Minutes.] Lord Glenbervie
moved an address to his majesty, that he would be graciously pleased to order a statement of the proceedings of the commissioners for the sale and redemption of the land tax, &c. to be laid before the house. Ordered.—Mr. Loveden moved, that there be laid before the house, an account of all the monies, stocks, funds, or securities for monies, standing in the name of the accountant-general of the court of chancery, or of the deputy remembrancer of the court of exchequer at the bank of England, or south-sea house, being the property of persons suitors in these courts. Ordered.—Mr. Bernard, pursuant to notice, rose to move that a committee be appointed to enquire into the tolls on the grand canal in Ireland, and what measures have been adopted, or may be adopted for their re-
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, May 23.
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM]
Colonel Stanley
reported from the committee, whom the petition of John duke of Atholl is referred; and to whom the report of the commissioners of enquiry relative to the Isle of Man, made in the year 1792, and all accounts respecting the revenues of the said isle, which have been presented, to the house in this session,of parliament are also referred; and who were instructed to take into their consideration all such parts,of the said report as relate to the collection and management of the revenue of the said isle, and likewise to examine into the receipts of the revenue of the same isle, and the disbursements thereout, from the 5th January 1791 to the 5th of January 1805; and into all balances in the hands of the collectors or receivers of the revenues of the same isle, and to report their observations upon all such subjects to the house; and to whom the several accounts and papers relating to the Isle Man, which have been presented to the house since the 26th day of March last and also, the account of the amount duties received within the ports of the Isle of Man upon imports sand export,
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said, it would not be necessary for him to trouble the house long, as he was so far from wishing to oppose the enquiry proposed by the hon. and learned gent. that the appointment of a committee for that purpose was the object of his particular desire. He was sure the result of the enquiry would be, to explain the matters referred to by the hon. and learned gent. in a manner perfectly satisfactory to the house; and it was the more necessary these matters should be so explained, as the hon. and learned gent. had had room so completely to mistake them. He could not, however, agree to the motion in its whole extent, because that part of the report which related to secret service could with propriety be referred only to a secret committee. Whatever was not of that nature, he was ready to allow to go to a select committee. As it might be inconvenient that two committees should sit at the same time on the same subject, the same witnesses being likely to be examined by both, and perhaps to be wanted by both at the same time, he should recommend, that the committee for the general matter be instituted first, and when that committee should have made its report, the committee for the secret matter may be appointed. Though he agreed thus generally in the objects of the motion, he could, not help offering some observations On what had fallen from the hon. and learned gent. First, as to the idea that issuing fresh navy bills to renew others, or to raise money to pay them off tending to nothing else then a suspension of parliament, the
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rose,and observed, that this being the day appointed for the house to resolve into a committee to enquire into the charges against Mr. Justice Fox, it became necessary, from particular circumstance, to request of the house the indulgence of postponing,this enquiry a few days longer. Not at all from any unwillingness or impromptitude on the part of the learned judge to meet the charges against him; for he begged to remind the house, that row the first moment that learned judge had heard of those charges, he professed not only his readiness, but his most anxious wish to meet enquiry, and to be put upon the vindication of his character and conduct. It was his wish to have been heard by counsel at the bar of that house, and nothing was farther from his desire than the slightest delay or evasion. But an account of the non-arrival of some papers material to his defence, it became necessary to request their lordships to postpone for a few days longer, the proceedings in this business. The noble and learned lord concluded by moving to discharge the order of the day, and to appoint the committee for Thursday next; which was agreed to,
[STATE OF THE NAVY] Earl Darnley
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rose, and spoke as follows:— My lords; the noble lord has stated now, as he did when he moved for some of the papers on your lordships' table, two charges against the conduct of the board of admiralty, at which I, had the honour, to preside. The noble lord has accused us of incurring a great and unnecessary expence by purchasing vessels which were useless. and unfit for service. He has also charged the admiralty with having been grossly in error, in building ships in the, merchants' yards. To these charges I trust I shall be able to answer to the satisfaction of your lordships; and the noble lord will do me the justice to recollect, that I never made any objection to the enquiry which he proposed to institute, being always ready to meet it; nor did I refuse my consent to the. production of most of the papers for which he called, though I objected to one of the motions of the noble lord, because I was satisfied that it would create unbounded trouble in the public offices to prepare the papers to which that motion extended, and because the production thereof would only burden your lordships, table, without any useful information being derived from them. How far I was well founded in this conclusion your lordship will now be enabled to judge.— One volume out of three, of which that correspondence consisted, is upon your lord ships' table; and the only use the noble lord has made of it has been to quote from it two letters, It may therefore be presumed, that if, the whole of that correspondence. had been produced, it, would have been of but little, if any, use what ever.— In reviewing the arguments which the noble lord has introduced, I cannot help thinking, that he has totally mistaken the, object of his own enquiry, as it does not. go to institute a comparison between the conduct of the board of admiralty at which I presided, and the former board of admiralty, but a comparison of the conduct of every board of admiralty that has subsisted for these twenty years past, the board at which I presided .having only, followed the example of every preceding board during that period, with respect to building in the merchants' yards. At present I only make this observation generally, as I shah have occasion, in the sequel, to enter into a de
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spoke at considerable length in favour of going into the proposed committee. His R. H. took a view of the progressive increase of the British navy, and of the means that had been adopted for many years past, in different administrations, for keeping up, and for increasing the navy of Great Britain. He had seen mid known of so many instances of waste, and of shameful and flagitious abuse in the. naval department, from persons in comparatively high stations down to those in the lowest, that he had reason to bless the day on winch .his noble friend earl St. Vincent was called to the head of the naval administration of this country. He also spoke in very high terms of praise of the administration of earl Spencer, when at the head of the admiralty. His R. H. next proceeded to praise the exertions of the commissioners of naval enquiry, who had been proposed by the noble earl, and informed the house, that he should, 'very soon after parliament met next session, bring before their lordships' consideration the matters contained in the sixth report, which were of the highest importance to the naval department, in many essential points. It was reported, that the most enormous and flagitious thefts and peculations had been practised in different departments of the navy, and as that report came from au authority which could not be questioned, he thought it peculiarly incumbent on the house to look narrowly into the subject which was now before their consideration. When the immense amount and value of the stores which were annually supplied for the navy were taken into consideration, it was evident that the most enormous and
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—My lords; I feel it my duty to declare, that every thing I have heard confirms me in the opinion I at first entertained, that no. public advantage can result from the adoption of this motion. I at first entertained very serious doubts as to the propriety of laying before the house papers which I was convinced could not lead to any useful or practical purpose. I thought no charge had been ,brought either against my noble friend
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said, that the noble lord who had just sat down (lord Sidwouth) seemed well disposed to defend the measures of the noble earl (St. Vincent) in argument, and to give him fair words, although he would not give him his vote. The noble earl, however, had not been as fortunate as he in getting again into office.
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professed his disinclination to follow the noble lord, who had made the motion, into all the details which in the course of his speech he had thought it necessary to submit to their lordships. He observed that, although the debate had branched out to a considerable length, the question appeared to him to lie within a narrow compass. It had been alledged that his noble friend (lord Sidmouth) gave the noble earl nothing but fair words, which was unfair; for that noble viscount had certainly taken a line of conduct which was dictated by the sense he entertained of his parliamentary duty, and at the same time had spoken according to his feelings with reference to the character of the noble earl. But his lordship said he recollected that others, on a former occasion, when an enquiry was moved for, had professed great friendship for that noble earl, but had indeed given him nothing but fair words. Having stated this, because the occasion, as it appeared to him, called for it, he should come immediately to the question now before their lordships, which was, whether certain papers already before them should be referred to a committee, and that was a subject, he confessed, of great delicacy, involving considerations of great importance with a view to the disclosure that must attend it if the motion be carried. God forbid, that he should say, if a grave case was made out, the house would not attend to it, and send it to the investigation of a committee, even at the risk of all the consequences which might follow the disclosure; but nothing short of absolute necessity would induce their lordships to do so, for the disclosure would not only be to the people of this country, but must necessarily reach the enemy, and be a disclosure to the whole world; and before their lordships could be prevailed on to do that, they would take care that the ground on which it was called for was imperative upon them ; that they had hardly a choice whether they should go into the enquiry or not; and he would confess freely, that some of the papers referred to were of such a nature, that he was sorry they were asked for at all. The question then came to this, was there any .necessity, or matter sufficiently important laid before the house to induce their lordships to adopt this motion? The principal
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bore testimony to the meritorious services of earl St. Vincent, particularly in instituting that highly useful board, the naval commission, and vindicated the noble earl from the charge of not having sufficiently attended to the construction of smaller sized vessels. The noble lord animadverted on the comparison that was made between the noble viscount (Melville), and the noble earl on the cross bench, with respect to the building of ships in the merchants' yards, and observed that this difference was kept in the shade, that although both noble lords resorted to the merchants' yards, they did not do so on the same terms, or any thing like it. For the noble viscount contracted for building such ships at one third more per ton, than the noble earl would have accepted, or could have had them built for. The noble lord complained of the delay that had taken place before any of our naval force was despatched to the West Indies after the Rochefort squadron had sailed. Circumstances had occurred, as well in Europe as in the West Indies, which tended to lower that proud character which our navy had acquired, and always maintained, until within the last few months of the present war. He thought the conduct of the late admiralty was extremely censurable. The noble viscount at the head of it had been guilty of great neglect in not immediately despatching a fleet to the West Indies, to prevent the depredations and insults which had been committed against our possessions in that part of the world, by a squadron, which came out almost in defiance of us, from the ports of France. He had also heard, that some improper preference had been manifested in the appointment of an officer to an important command. That would well deserve to be submitted to a committee of their lordships, for no abuse could tend more to disseminate dissatisfaction among the naval profession, than an undue partiality of that kind. His lordship wished that all those charges should be fully investigated, and seeing no means of doing it more ready than the appointment of a committee, with full powers, he would vote for the proposition of his noble friend.
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requested leave to say a few words in answer to the unfounded charges which had been urged against his conduct by the noble earl. He would assert, in direct contradiction to what had fallen from the noble earl, that there had been no delay whatever in detaching a sufficient number of ships in pursuit of the Rochefort squadron. That he would assert peremptorily and positively, in opposition to the charge so unwarrantably preferred, either by the noble earl or any one else. That squadron had sailed from Rochefort full twelve days before it was known to any of the commanders upon any of the stations. On the 14th day, the intelligence was communicated to him, and on the next morning he transmitted those orders, in consequence of which admiral Cochrane sailed for the West Indies. There were many noble lords who could testify what he asserted; and he therefore felt himself justified in repelling, with becoming indignation, the charge of neglect, whether coming from the noble earl, or any other noble lord. As to the charge of a partial preference of a relative of his, that he would peremptorily contradict. Where the noble earl obtained his information, or for what purpose he brought it forward, he knew not, nor was it worth his while to enquire; but he would positively assert that it had no foundation whatever in truth or in fact. If the noble earl should be. inclined to pursue his attacks upon him, he would recommend to his to prove a little more, and to insinuate a little less. Against the noble earl's proofs, he trusted, as in the present instance, that he should always be able to defend himself; against his insinuations he could not hope for equal protection. If the noble earl should scatter his poisoned arrows abroad. some of them might possibly light upon him; but whether such a mode of assailing the conduct of a person who had been at the head of a great public department, was either fair or honourable, was worthy the consideration of the noble earl. He trusted that he would learn a lesson from the imprudence and inefficacy of his attack on this night, that would discourage him from any future rash repetition of similar charges.
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rose in reply, and adverted to the various arguments that had been urged by the noble lords opposite, against his motion. It had been observed, that such an investigation would be, on the present occasion, particularly improper, as it might expose, not only to the public of this country, but to the knowledge of our enemies, such subjects as would be particularly inexpedient. This observation, however, if it applied at all, was applicable only to the discussions that might take place in the house, and not to any enquiries that might be instituted before a committee. A noble lord seemed to think, that the principle on which he had brought forward his motion was his hostility to employing merchants' yards in building ships of the navy. Here, however, he begged leave to set the noble lord right. He had not declared any hostility to that principle. There were many cases, on the contrary, when employing merchants' yards might be very expedient. His objection was only to the degree; and that, considering the expence with which that mode of building ships was attended, was a sufficient subject of grave investigation. A committee of enquiry was also necessary, he contended, in regard to a noble lord (St. Vincent) who had been implicated in another place, and represented by some as an enemy to his country. One great end of his motion therefore was, to ascertain whether that noble lord was meritorious or guilty. This enquiry was due in justice to the noble lord; it was due to the British navy and to the nation, and in opposition to such claims he had yet heard nothing that could lead him to alter his opinion.—The house then divided; contents 33; not contents, 88; majority against the motion 55.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, May 24.
[Minutes] Colonel Wood
gave notice, that on Friday next he should move, that there be laid before the house a copy of the proceedings of the court-martial on sir John Duckworth.—Mr. Tierney moved, that the committee. on the Camberwell Water Works bill do sit again on Wednesday next, and proceed with, the bill. The. ground of his motion was, that the com-
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rose, in pursuance of the notice he had given, to move for leave to bring in a bill to appoint commissioners to enquire and examine into any irregularities or abuses that may have taken place in con-
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Lord De Blaquiere
as a member of the Paving Board, rejoiced that the time for enquiry had arrived. He agreed that the shameful state of the streets of Dublin required something to be done immediately, but he denied that the Paving Board had been guilty of any misconduct; their crime was their poverty; the expenditure of the corporation greatly exceeded their income; many of the most essential articles in their work had trebly increased in their price, while the taxes remained the same, and without means it was impossible for them to do their duty to the public in the manner that was expected.—He approved of the commissioners, but thought they should be appointed in the house of commons, and not by any one out of it, and that their enquiries should extend to the investigation of the grounds upon which the unfavourable report made three years since of the Paving Board by the commissioners of imprest accounts was founded.—The noble lord stated also some details proving the inadequacy of the funds of the board to the fulfilment of their contracts. He said, the principal part of the debt had been contracted by the former corporation; the debt incurred by the present board arose from the great increase in the price of every article; oil, for instance, was more than double the price it was, when the board was first instituted, and the sum they paid for cleaning the city had increased from 1600
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Mr. Dennis Brown
said, it was very extraordinary that the report of the commissioners of imprests had been laid upon the table of parliament 6 years, and no notice had been taken of it. Much had been said to a friend of his in praise of the administration of lord Hardwicke; but as his friend was walking with him through the streets of Dublin one night, he, with some surprise, exclaimed, that there was nothing but darkness, danger, and desolation.
Mr. Alexander
said there was something irregular in the conversation, as they all agreed in the principle of the propriety of appointing commissioners.
Sir John Newport
defended the conduct of the present commissioners. They had pointed out the means of remedying several abuses, and no insinuations ought to be thrown out against them till the house saw the report of the new committee.
Mr. Foster
approved the principle of the bill, and vindicated the conduct of the commissioners for auditing public accounts, who had made three reports unfavourable to the Paving Board. The right hon. gent. said that those commissioners were bound by the most solemn oath to investigate abuses, and must of course discharge their duty. He could also speak from personal knowledge of the gentleman who was at the head of that commission, and confidently declare that no man was more justly distinguished for character, integrity, and the rectitude of his conduct.
Lord De Blaquiere
in reply, said he did not see the necessity of the observation made by the right hon. gent; he had never questioned the character or honour of any of the gentlemen who composed the Board of Accounts, he had respect individually for every gentleman in it; for some,
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said, that a great. part of Dublin was covered with darkness, and was deserted in consequence of the union; and it would be difficult to raise a fund for bettering the police without contributing more to the evil that already exists.
Mr. Vansittart
said, he was happy to find that his motion met with the approbation of so many gentlemen from Ireland. With respect to the wish expressed by some gentleman, that the commissioners should be appointed by parliament, he did not at present see any objection to it, but he did not wish to pledge himself upon the subject; he would, however, consider it, and state his final opinion when the bill came into a committee.—Leave was then given to bring in the bill. The right hon. gent. then brought up the bill; which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday. He then gave notice, that he should on Monday move the house into a committee to consider of the propriety of empowering the lord lieutenant to direct the lords commissioners of the treasury to advance a certain sum for the purposes of the said act. —Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, May 27.
[PANCRAS POOR BILL.] On the second reading of the Pancras Poor bill,
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Suffolk
[STATE OF IRELAND.] The Earl of
Suffolk
[CALICO PRINTERS' PETITION.] Lord
King
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Suffolk
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday May 27.
[MINUTES] On the motion of sir J. Wrottesley a new writ was ordered for a member to server in parliament for the borough of Dornoc, Tain, and Dingwall, in the room of the hon. John Villiers, who has accepted the Chiltern hundreds.—Mr. Grey presented a petition from the gentlemen freeholders and electors of the county of Northumberland, congratulating the house on the votes of the 8th and 10th of April relative to the tenth naval report. The petition was ordered to lie on the table; as was also one from the inhabitants of the town and county of the town of Southampton. See vol. iv. p. 622, where the said petitions were inadvertently inserted.—Mr. Serjeant Best moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend an act of the 4th year of his present majesty, to prevent delay in proceedings relative to Bankrupts having the privilege of parliament granted.—The attorney general, pursuant to notice, moved for leave to bring in a bill to amend the act of last session, for facilitating the arrest of offenders escaping from one part of the united kingdom to another, or from one country to another. He had deferred this motion hitherto, lest it might appear, if he had brought it forward earlier, to be a prejudging of a case pending in the courts of the sister kingdom. That case had been decided, and therefore he felt himself at liberty to bring forward his measure. The object he had in view, was simply to enable a magistrate in Ireland who magistrate in England, to give the same bail as if the warrant had been issued in that country, and vice versa. The charge, that he had framed the measure of last session with a view to bring Mr. justice Johnson a prisoner to attend his trial in this country, would fall before a statement of a fact. The bill had been prepared by order of the secretary of state the preceding session, though, from the advanced stage of the session, it had obtained leave to bring in the bill some days previous to the conviction of Mr. Cobbett; and it was not till some days after, when the original manuscripts had been given up by Mr. Cobbett, the Mr. justice Johnson could be considered as the object of a prosecution, leave was given to bring in the bill.—Mr. Foster obtained leave to bring in a bill to
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[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.] Mr.
Leycester
Mr.
Whitbread
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[LANCASTER JUSTICES' BILL.] The order of the day being read, for the third reading of the bill to empower the justices of the peace within the division or hundred of Salford, in the county palatine of Lancaster, to raise a salary to be paid to the chairman of the quarter sessions for the said hundred,
Mr.
Shaw Lefevre
Mr.
Hurst
Sir
Robert Peele
Sir
Robert Buxton
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, May 28.
[MINUTES.] Their lordships proceeded further in the appeal Rowe
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The Earl of Suffolk
Lord
Hawkesbury
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The Earl of
Suffolk
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Lord
Hawkesbury
The Earl of
Suffolk
The Marquis of
Sligo
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] The
Lore Chancellor
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Lord
Auckland
Lord
Carleton
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The
Lord Chancellor
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, May 28.
[MINUTES.] Mr. Brooke brought in a bill for the better regulation of the Woollen Manufacture; which was read a first time, ordered to be printed, and read a second time on Thursday se'nnight.—On the motion of lord Glenbervie, a message was ordered to be sent to the lords, requesting their lordships would give leave to the earl of Buckinghamshire, the earl of St. Vincent, and lord viscount Sidmouth, to attend, the Select Committee on the Eleventh Report of the Commissioners of Naval Enquiry, for the purpose of being examined.—Mr. Glover, from the commissioners of the customs, presented, an account of the quantity of Corn imported into the port of London, pursuant to an order of the house.—Mr. P. Moore gave notice, that on Thursday next he would move, that the petition which he presented in March last from the Calico Printers, be taken into consideration.—On the motion of Mr. Vansittart, the house went into a committee to consider of the propriety of enabling the lord-lieutenant of Ireland to grant a certain sum out of the consolidated fund for the purpose of paving the city of Dublin. In the committee the sum of 20,000l. was the sum voted as necessary. The house being resumed, the report was ordered to be received on Thursday next.—The report of the committee on the Expiring Laws was ordered to be referred to a committee of the whole house on Thursday next.—The Free Port bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday.—The house went into a committee to consider of the act imposing a duty on Woollens exported to the East Indies.—On the
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[IRISH CUSTOMS REGULATION BILL.] The house went into a committee on the Irish Excise and Custom-house Officers' bill.
Mr.
Fitzgerald
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Mr.
Foster
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.] Mr.
Robert Dundas
[NAVAL ASYLUM.] Sir
John Borlase Warren
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Mr.
Pierrepoint
Mr.
Wilberforce
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[STATE OF THE ARMY.] Colonel
Craufurd
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Colonel
Craufurd
[PRIZE AGENCY BILL.] The order of the day for the house to take into further consideration the report on the Prize Regulation bill having been read, sir W. Scott moved, that the bill be re-committed.
Sir
Charles Pole
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Mr.
James Martin
The
Advocate-General
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Sir
Charles Pole
Sir
J. B. Warren
Admiral
Markham
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Sir
W. Scott
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Admiral
Berkeley
Sir
C. Pole
Dr.
Laurence
Mr.
Johnstone
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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The
Judge Advocate
Mr.
Rose
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, May 30.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] The order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate upon the subject of the form of attendance, &c. of Mr. justice Fox, upon the committee of the whole house, being read,
Lord
Carleton
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Lord
Hawkesbury
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The Earl of
Limerick
The Lord
Chancellor
The Earl of
Carnarvon
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Lord
Somerton
The Earl of
Carlisle
The Earl of
Radnor
Lord
Carleton
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The Marquis of
Sligo
Lord
Holland
Lord
Auckland
The
Lord Chancellor
The Earl of
Carnarvon
Lord
Holland
The Earl of
Carysfort
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, May 30.
[MINUTES.] Mr Shaw brought up a bill for amending the laws relative to bakers in Dublin; read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time.—Mr. I. H. Brown presented a second report of the committee on the Caledonian canal. Ordered to be printed.—The bill for amending the general turnpike act was read a third time, and passed. —The chairman of the committee appointed to consider of the propriety of allowing coals to be brought to London by the Paddington canal, reported that the pressure of time did not allow the committee to give the subject the full consi?deration which its importance required. The committee recommended that 50,000 ton of coals should be allowed to be brought by the canal between this period and the 1st of June, 1806, paying the same duty as coals brought coast-wise. It was also recommended that a committee should be appointed early in the next session for the full and complete investigation of the question. The report was ordered to be printed. —Sir C. Price presented a bill for making compensation to persons injured by the erection of the London docks. Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time.—Mr. P. Moore presented a petition from certain freeholders of Middlesex, praying the house to interpose its authority to procure them compensation from the parties in the late controverted election for that county, for their loss of time in attending as witnesses before the committee appointed to try the merits of that election. The precedent of the Carlisle case being read, the petition
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P. Moore
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Mr.
Rose
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Mr.
P. Moore
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.] Mr.
Whitbread
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Canning
Mr.
H. Lascelles
Mr.
Whitbread
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Mr.
H. Lascelles
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Whitbread
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Mr.
Fox
[STIPENDIARY CURATES' BILL.] The
Attorney-General
Mr.
Barham
Mr.
Alexander
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Mr.
Fuller
Mr.
Deverell
Mr.
Graham
Mr.
I. H. Browne
Mr.
Pole Carew
Lord
Porchester
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The
Attorney-General
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, May 31.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX] The order of the day being read, for the house to resolve itself into a committee on the matters respecting Mr. judge, Fox; that venerable person, accompanied by his counsel, Mr. Adam and Mr. Nolan, immediately entered the house, where Mr. justice Fox was placed in a chair below the bar, habited in his judicial robes. Mr. Adam, as soon as the charges contained in the address were read at the table, requested permission to offer a few observations to their lordships, on the part of his learned client. He adverted to the peculiar situation in which the learned judge was placed, a state of accusation before the highest and most august tribunal in the country; a proceeding, forming a case of the greatest importance in itself, and still more important from its perfect novelty, and the consideration of its going to form a precedent for future ages. He then adverted to the whole course of the proceedings, from the period of their having first been instituted, by the first petition presented by a noble marquis, exactly that day twelvemonth to the present moment. He alluded to the alterations which had been made from time to time in the matters of charge; which were not only, to a certain extent, new modelled, but had even new matter, and such very recently added to them. There had been new facts introduced, he said, and charged in a different way. The learned counsel then proceeded to advert to the proceedings upon the case,
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The
Lord Chancellor
Lord Grenville, When he considered the perfect novelty of what was then under
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Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Auckland
Lord
Mulgrace,
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Lord
Grenville,
The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Auckland,
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, May 31.
[MINUTES.] A new writ was ordered on the motion of lord Ossulstone, for the borough of Shrewsbury, in the room of sir W. Pulteney, bart. deceased.—Mr. Foster, by order of his majesty, in compliance with an address of the house, presented, an account of the estimates of the expences of the board of first fruits in Ireland; also An estimate of the expences for the improvement of the harbour of Howth, near Dublin. Ordered to lie on the table.—The Broadstairs Harbour Improvement bill was read a third time and passed.—Lord Archi-
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[CAMBERWELL WATERWORKS BILL.] Sir
John Frederick
Mr.
Tierney
The
Speaker
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[CONDUCT OF ADMIRAL SIR JOHN DUCKWORTH.] Colonel
Wood
Mr.
Baker
Colonel
Wood
[CONDUCT OF THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER.] Mr.
Henry Lascelles
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[GROWTH OF TIMBER.] Sir
William Dolben
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Sir
W. DOlben
Sir
W. Elford
Admiral
Markham
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[CONDUCT OF SIR HOME POPHAM.] The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Kianaird
Sir
John Stewart
Sir
W. Burroughs
The
Speaker
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, June 5.
[MINUTES.] Lord Barham (late sir C. Middleton) was introduced with the accustomed formalities, sworn and took his seat. His lordship's supporters were, lords Boston and Woodhouse.—The royal assent was given by commission to the Land Tax Commissioners' Name bill, the Property Tax Amendment, the Naval Enquiry Renewal, the Military Commissioners, the Irish Spirit Licence bill, the Wine Duties bill, and the Slate Exemption Duty bill, and to thirty-two acts of a private or local description. The lords commissioners were, the lord chancellor, lord Walsingham, and lord Auckland.—The earl of Suffolk said, that with respect to the motion, of which he had given notice, he believed for that day, relative to the state of Ireland, he should defer it for the present. He did not, however, relinquish his intention, but meant to bring it forward, probably in the course of next week, but of the particular day he should take care to give due notice. On the motion of the bishop of London, and relative to which proceeding a few words were said in a very low tone or voice by the earl of Bridgewater; their lordships were ordered to be summoned for Monday next.—The earl of Suffolk, seeing a noble secretary Of state in his place, expressed his wish to learn in what state of forwardness the accounts were respecting the drawing of bills from the West India Islands upon his majesty's treasury, which had been ordered to be produced upon his motion on a former day; or, when it was probable they would be laid before the house? Lord Hawkesbury observed, he believed the papers were in that state of preparation, that they would be ready in the course of a few days. He had, however, to repent his wish, that the noble earl would particularize some fact or circumstance which, it was his wish, as the Object of his motion, to collect from the accounts in question. With respect to the case of a particular bill, to which the noble earl referred on a former evening, he had reason to think the facts were misrepresented to him; such proceedings never obtained without the
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[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] On the motion of lord Auckland, the order was enforced for the exclusion of strangers; and, in consequence, the doors were kept shut for about half an hour. Immediately after our re-admission into the house, their lordships resolved into a committee, lord Walsingham in the Chair, on the case of judge Fox.
The
Lord Chancellor
The Earl of
Carlisle
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Lord
Auckland
Lord
Mulgrave
The Marquis of
Buckingham
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The Duke of
Clarence
Lord
Ellenborough
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, June 5.
[MINUTES.] Mr. Quarme, deputy usher of the black rod, appeared at the bar, and summoned the house to attend the house of lords, to hear the royal assent given by commission to certain bills. The speaker, on his return, informed the house, that he had been in the house of lords, and heard the royal assent given by commission to the Perpetual Wine Duty bill; the Slate Duty bill; the Army Commissioners' bill; the Hull Dock bill; and several private bills.—Lord Douglas moved for a new writ for the county of Forsar, in Scotland, in the room of sir D. Carnegie, bart. deceased. Ordered.—Sir W. Lemon, brought up a petition from the nobility, gentry, clergy, and freeholders of. the county of Cornwall, on the subject of the tenth report. Ordered to lie on the table. (See Vol. iv. p. 847.)—The London Port bill was Committed, and the report ordered to be received to-morrow,—Mr. Whitbread moved for an account of the balances in the hands of the receiver-general of the customs, on the 5th of January, 5th of April, 5th of July, and 5th of October, in each year, from 1793, to the 5th of April last, with the names of the persons in whose hands the said balances respectively were. Ordered.—Sir John Stewart brought up the first report of the select committee,
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[MIDDLESEX ELECTION.] Mr.
Creevey
Mr.
Creevey
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The
Speaker
Mr.
H. Thornton
[PETITION FROM THE BRITISH MUSEUM, RESPECTING Mr. TOWNLEY'S COLLECTION.] The
Master of the Rolls
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Sir
William Young
The
Master of the Rolls
[NON-RESIDENCE OF IRISH CLERGY.] Sir
J. Newport
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Mr.
James Fitzgerald
Mr.
Vansittart
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Alexander
Sir
George Hill
[PRIZE AGENCY BILL.] The report of the prize agency bill was brought up, and several amendments, introduced by sir W. Scott, were agreed to.
Mr. Johnstone adverted to the charge brought before the house on a former occasion by admiral Cochrane against the king's proctor, alledging that he permitted his partner, in many cases, to act for the adverse party; and animadverted in strong terms upon such a practice, particularly in an officer who, according to the statement of the hon. mover of this bill, received not less than 13,000l. a year net profit from his business. The hon. gent. remarked that when the charge of gross malversation which he alluded to was made, the learned gent. (sir Wm. Scott), did not contradict it.
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W. Scott
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, June 6.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] Upon the order of the day being moved for their lordships to resume the examination of witnesses relative to the charge preferred against the honourable Mr. justice Fox, counsel and strangers were ordered to withdraw. Their lordships remained deliberating near an hour; the learned and venerable judge was then called in, and Mr. Romilly re-commenced the examination of Mr. Armstrong, the foreman of the jury, upon whose petition and complaint the present enquiry was instituted. The witness was first asked, whether, after he had heard the evidence upon the indictment which had given rise to the conduct of the learned judge, he could conscientiously have found any of the prisoners guilty? Mr. Adam objected to this question as too general, and it was waved. The witness, on being cross-examined by Mr. Adam, stated, that the trial in question took place on the 19th of August, 1803; that additional evidence was gone into after the jury had retired; that the witness, as the foreman, delivered the verdict of acquittal, having been out about half an hour. On the 20th of August, the day after the trial, Mr. justice Fox desired the clerk of the crown to deliver to him a list of the petit jurors. When he had received the list he desired the grand jury to be called, and he stigmatised the petit jury as unworthy of being believed on oath, and unfit to act in
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Ellenborough
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Lord
Hawkesbury
The Duke of
Clarence
Mr.
Adam
The
Lord Chancellor
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Minto
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ex parte,
ex parte
Lord
Sidmouth
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The Earl of
Carlisle
The Earl of
Buckinghamshire
ex parte
Earl
Spencer
Lord
Hawkesbury
The
Lord Chancellor
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Lord
Ellenborough
Lord
Minto
Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Ellenborough
Lord
Minto
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The Earl of
Carlisle
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, June 6.
[MINUTES.] Sir Lawrence Parsons was sworn, and took his seat, on his re-election, after accepting the office of one of the commissioners of the treasury in Ireland.— Mr. Brooke presented petitions from 39,000 clothiers of the county of York; And from the clothiers of Somerset, Gloucester, and Wilts, in favour of the bill relating to their trade now before the house. Mr. Brooke observed, that the contests now existing had lasted for three years. What he wished was, an equitable arrangement between masters and workmen; he wished the law to be reduced to a compendious system, so that the masters and workmen may be able to understand it. Mr. H. Lascelles thought the present period of the session too late for introducing a bill of such magnitude; he thought arrangement necessary, and the subject of sufficient magnitude to engage the attention of government. Sir R Buxton and admiral Berkeley spoke to the same effect; the latter objected to the bill, as putting a stop to the use of all machinery. The petitions were ordered to lie on the table. —On the motion of sir C. Price, the report of the committee on the bill for the completion of the London docks was ordered to be re-committed to a committee of the whole house.—On the motion of Mr. Tierney, the further consideration of the report of the committee on the Camberwell Waterworks was put off till Monday.—On the motion of Mr. Baker, the bill for regulating contracts relating to the poor was re-committed. Some amendments were made in the committee, and the report ordered to be received tomorrow. Mr. Brooke moved that the bill for regulating the Woollen Manufacture be read a second time on Monday next.—Sir Robert Buxton moved as an amendment, that the bill be read a second
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[PADDINGTON CANAL COAL BILL.] On the motion of Mr. Huskisson, the house resolved itself into a committee on the report of the select committee, for allowing the importation of coal, to a certain extent, by the grand junction canal.
Sir
Ralph Milbank
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Mr.
Huskisson
Sir
M. W. Ridley
Mr.
Burdon
Mr.
Spencer Stanhope
Mr.
Huskisson
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, June 7.
[CONTINENTAL CONNEXIONS.] Lord Carysfort
asked whether any information was intended to be laid before the house, relative to the negociation with Russia.
Lord Mulgrave
replied, that he was not authorized to make any communication on the subject.
Lord Carysfort
then gave notice, that on Thursday se'nnight, he should submit a motion to their lordships relative to the Russian treaty; and their lordships were accordingly summoned for that day.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]
The order of the day being moved for the house to resume the consideration of the charge against Mr. justice Fox,
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Lord Minto
said, he rose in consequence of the notice he had given last night, to submit to their lordships a motion relative to the publication of the proceedings before the committee appointed to examine into the subject matter of the accusation against the learned judge; and when he considered its importance, not only as it regarded that learned person, but the public at large, and the administration of justice, he scarcely could entertain a doubt of success. It was his object to urge the reconsideration of the evidence which had been given before the committee. He wished that the secret or select committee, or by whatever other name it was called, should be revived, with instructions to report the evidence of the witnesses. As many of the witnesses were to be re-examined, it would undoubtedly be of great utility to have that evidence known to their lordships. He confessed he had an ulterior object, which was the communication of the evidence to the parties at the bar. The ground on which he desired to have that evidence published was, that without it the parties would not stand on an equal footing; the accused would not have the same advantage in making his defence as the petitioners would have in preferring their complaint. He had heard it said, that the law of England did not profess to put the accused and the accuser in the same situation. He was aware there must be some disparity with regard to their knowledge of the facts, but it was nevertheless greatly to be regretted when that was the case. It was consonant to the general spirit of the laws to put them on an equal footing. The difference in the present case was, that the accusers could put questions with reference to evidence, of which the accused must be completely ignorant. He contended, that it was the universal practice, that every person under accusation should have an opportunity, by cross-examination, of trying the credit of the testimony preferred against him. Of this advantage the learned judge was deprived. He laboured also under another inconvenience, he was tried by judges who had heard evidence which he had not heard, and had no opportunity of cross-examining. It was necessary that the learned judge's counsel should have the means of observing upon the evidence given before the committee. His proposition, therefore, was, that he should be placed on the same footing, as to the means of his defence, with every other person
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Lord Hawkesbury
observed, that it was unnecessary to enter into any. discussion upon the question. He was inclined to think, that the inconvenience on both sides which would attend the .publication of the papers would much exceed any advantage to be derived from them. He was, however, ready to admit, that there was no resolution or standing order of the house contravening their publication, and therefore, as he understood there were many noble lords who thought it would be useful, and as the learned judge had presented a petition to that effect, he should not resist the motion of the noble lord.
Lord Minto
stated, that if his first motion should be acceded to, it was his intention to move that the evidence be printed.
Earl Spencer
said a few words in support of the motion, and stated, that it had always been his wish that the evidence should be printed.
The Lord Chancellor
would not sanction with his vote a proceeding which he conceived to be contrary to the forms of the house. If, however, the motion was agreed to, it was not to be understood, that, in adopting such a proceeding, their lordships threw any discredit on the witnesses. It was to be acceded to, not on that ground, but on account of the peculiar circumstances in which the house was placed. Every respect was due to the character and situation of the learned personage who was the object of the present proceedings; but protection was also due to every one of his majesty's subjects; and he therefore trusted, that no inference to the discredit of the witness would be attempted to be drawn, whatever might be the result of the present motion. His lordship then observed, that the application which had been made by the counsel at the bar was not reconcileable to any general principle, analogy, or usage of the courts of law. It never
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said, that, for his own direction in the situation in which he was placed, he should put the question to the house, whether papers printed for their lordships could be communicated to other persons?—After a few words from lord Auckland, lord Hawkesbury, and lord Minto, the motion for reviving the committee was agreed to. The committee was then ordered to meet to-morrow, and the house adjourned to Monday.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, June 7.
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A message from the lords informed the house that their lordships had agreed to the Irish Stamp Duty bill, and the Irish Excise Licence bill, without any amendments.—On the motion of sir Charles Price, the house went into a committee of the whole house on the report of the petition for the improvement of the port of London; and agreed to a resolution that a further sum of 60,000l. be granted out of the consolidated fund for that purpose. The house being resumed, the report was ordered to be received on Monday.—Mr. Rose brought up a bill for rendering perpetual the several acts relative to the Manufacture or Sailcloth in Great Britain. Read a first time, to be read a second time on Monday.—Mr. Rose also brought in a bill for continuing the act regulating the Exportation and Importation of Corn between Great Britain and Ireland. Read a first time, to be read a second time on Monday.—Serjeant Best brought up a bill for amending the act of the 4th of his majesty relative to Bankrupts entitled to Privileges
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[STATE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.] Mr. Grey
observed, that some time had elapsed, since he had put a question to the right hon. the chancellor of the exchequer, relative to a subject that had been alluded to in the speech from the throne. There was reason to expect, that some communication would, before this, have been made to the house, on that subject. He rose in this instance for the purpose of repeating the question he had put on the former occasion, and to ask, whether there was any probability, considering the very advanced period of the session, that any such communication would be made to parliament previous to the close of it?
The Chancellor of the Exchequer
said, he had nothing to add to what he had stated on the former occasion. It was not in his power to return any other answer to the hon. gent.'s question.
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[CONDUCT OF ADMIRAL SIR JOHN DUCKWORTH.]
This being the day fixed by colonel Wood for his motion for the production of the proceedings of the court martial, relative to sir John Duckworth, he rose in his place and stated to the house, that he was willing to defer his motion for some days longer, that every gentleman might have sufficient opportunity of informing himself on the subject. This delay had been suggested by some hon. gentlemen, and should it meet the approbation of the house, he would renew his notice for that day se'nnight.
Mr. Baker
did not wish to oppose the delay proposed by the hon. gent. but could not help remarking that this was the second time be had deferred his motion without adducing any satisfactory ground for that delay. He complained at the same time that the hon. member had handed about papers on this subject, one of which he had got put into his hand on entering the house, and which was calculated to make an impression on the public mind, to the prejudice of the hon. baronet who was the subject of the intended motion.
Colonel Wood
then stated, that though he wished to give members time to consider the subject, he had no objection to bring it forward then, should it appear to be the desire of the house. The paper of which the hon. member complained captain Wood's memorial to the lords of the admiralty) he stated to be a public document, and therefore a proper subject of attention for the house.
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saw no reason why the question should not then be determined, as it merely related to the propriety of producing the proceedings, and not to the merits of the court martial. For his own part he acknowledged himself hostile to the production of these papers. On Colonel Wood's rising to explain,
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—"I am of opinion that the facts here stated would inevitably subject the officer to whom they apply, to a conviction under the article of war before stated; and it seems to me, that the value and quantity of the articles received on board, would but too probably render it impossible that the members of a court martial charged to enquire into the circumstances, should ascribe it to mistake or inadvertency, or any other excusable cause. W. GARROW." Lincoln's-Inn, 3d May, 1805.
Mr. Dallas.
—" The above case, it appears to me, falls directly within the words of the article in question, and these words are so strongly restrictive, viz. for the sole use of the ship, that I do not see how they can admit of any equitable enlargement, so as to exempt from their operation articles intended for presents, and not for sale. The object of the provision may have been to prevent a trading by the king's officers, but it may also have had other objects with respect to the state and navigation of the ship; but at all events, whatever may have been the aim, the words are positive and peremptory, and nothing appears upon the face of the act to give them any particular qualification. I take, however, for granted, that a court martial would give to every such case a most liberal considera-
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—" I cannot say that strictly this case does not fall within the 22d of George II. chap. 33d, art. 18. The prohibition is general, without any exception of presents; and even if it be usual to overlook the case of presents, it is possible that the quantity of goods may have raised some doubt whether they were so meant, and may have occasioned a stricter scrutiny than usual upon this occasion. V. GIBBS." Lincoln's-Inn, May 1st, 1805.
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—" I am of opinion that the case mentioned above, certainly comes within the words of the clause, and if it be made the subject of charge before a court martial, will not, as I apprehend, be thought by such court to be justified by reason of the articles being intended as presents. SP. PERCEVAL." May 3d, 1805, Lincoln's-Inn Fields.
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—" I am very sorry to be obliged to say, that the purpose, the honourable purpose for which the unfortunate officer appears to have taken on board a king's ship the goods in question, would be no defence, it he were prosecuted; neither could the sentence be mitigated, nor could the king pardon the offence under such circumstances; therefore, it would be a harsh thing to prosecute upon the statute, the language of which is peremptory. T. ERSKINE." May 30th, 1805.—After reading the above,
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said, he had listened to the hon. gent. in the expectation of learning some sufficient grounds to induce the house to order these papers before them. He however was perfectly disappointed in such expectation. He saw no advantage likely to arise to the public from the house interfering with the sentence of a court martial, the proceedings of which were already sufficiently known to convince the public, that no reflection could possibly with justice be cast upon him. He justified the censure of the court martial on captain Wood. It was according to precedent. In the case of sir Hugh Palliser, who brought admiral Keppel to trial, the court martial that acquitted Keppel declared the charge vexatious, in consequence of which sir Hugh lost his seat at the admiralty board, his colonelcy of marines, the government of Scarborough Castle, and was induced to resign his seat in parliament. The motion of the hon. colonel would be of no advantage to the public or individuals, and therefore he should give it his opposition.
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spoke in favour of admiral Duckworth.
Sir William Elford
testified, of his own, knowledge, the excellence of the character of the gallant admiral.
Mr. Baker
said he should feel disgraced if he were to remain silent. He had no other interest in this motion, but that which he took in behalf of a very revered friend, who had been honourably employed, for forty years, in the naval service of his country; not less than thirty of which were passed on ship-board. Though his long and meritorious services had been honoured and rewarded by his majesty, it was impossible that he could have been in so many situations, without being subject to some slight charges of this nature. He said, he could not consider the present proceeding as a very fair one, for, no sooner was the verdict of the court martial known, than captain Wood had served the admiral with notice of a civil action, pending which, this criminal proceeding was attempted.
Lord Glenbervie
spoke in favour of the admiral. Many officers of the navy whom he knew gave him the highest character. Their testimony was of the most unqualified nature. Besides, the production of the papers moved for would be a dangerous precedent.
Admiral Markham
stated what he knew of the gallant admiral. He had served under his command; he had known hint 30 years; he went out with him to the West Indies in 1789. In 1797 and 1798, he was under him on the coast of Ireland; he went to the Mediterranean in 1798; in the end of 1798, he went, subject to his orders, to Minorca, second in command. Knowing so much of the gallant admiral, he felt it to be incumbent upon him to give his opinion on this occasion to the house, and he could honestly declare, that during the whole period, he never knew him to do any thing that was oppressive to the officers under his command. With respect to the law opinion, he would just say, that probably, not an officer in the navy but might be superseded on such an opinion; for, hardly one of them was free from the sin of transgression as to the 18th article of war. [A laugh.] Most captains brought home a pipe, or even more, of wine for himself and friends, when on a wine station; and he himself had, when at the admiralty, requested some of his naval friends to bring him some wine. An hon. gent. over against him
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Colonel Wood
said, that as it appeared to be, the wish of the house that this matter should not be brought forward at present, he should withdraw it, with the intention of taking another opportunity next session to bring it under their consideration.
Captain Hervey
said, that as the hon. colonel had thought proper to bring forward such aspersions against the character of such a highly respectable and gallant officer as sir John Duckworth was, notwithstanding the decision of the court martial, he thought it was highly proper that the question should be put, so as to have the sense of the house upon the subject.—On this, the question that the motion be withdrawn, was put from the chair, and loudly negatived without a division.
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.] Colonel Stanley
moved the order of the day for the consideration of the report of the committee on the claim of the Duke of Atholl. The order of the day being read,
Mr. Curwen rose,
and spoke as follows:— I rise, sir, to state my objections to the report made by this committee. It is, I conceive, impossible they could have come to these conclusions had they adverted to the whole of the evidence laid before them, and since submitted to the house: part of that evidence, highly material in itself, has passed unnoticed: other parts will be found in direct contradiction with their report.—The individual conduct of a member of this house, on any subject in which the public interest is concerned, needs no apology: but if I wanted one for the part I think it my indispensable duty to take on this occasion, I should feel myself entitled to the indulgence of this house when defending the interest of the house of Keys of the Isle of Man, acting under an unanimous vote; the interest of 1300 respectable land-owners of that island, whose petition lies on your table, and of 30,000 unrépresented persons, its inhabitants, whose interests must materially suffer were the measure his grace of Atholl seeks to carry, unfortunately for them, to receive the sanction of parliament.—It is obvious how sincere must be the wish, how greatly it would be the interest, of the inhabitants, to stand on fair terms with time noble petitioner: to oppose his wishes must be matter of sincere regret to them, and nothing but the strictest sense of duty could induce the house of Keys, or the people, to give
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said, when he opposed the present reception of this report, he did it on the principles laid down by lord Coke, sir Wm. Blackstone, and by the attorney and solicitor general, who had all concurred in the opinion, that the authority of parliament was paramount, and that it had an unquestionable right to legislate for the Isle of Man. Whatever ingenious reasoning might have been employed by the hon. and learned baronet, there were no facts to shew that the duke of Atholl was independent of this control. The commissioners appointed to enquire into this business said, that if the custom duties were increased, it must have been with the consent of the
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Lord Glenberore
asked, if the opinions of the attorney and solicitor general were to be considered as law; or that they were supposed to be binding on any member of that house; lord Coke's opinion was erroneous with respect to, the right of England to legislate for Ireland at that time, as had been declared afterwards in effect by the act of 1782. His opinion relative to the Isle of Man was equally unfounded. Yet the attorney and solicitor general had only pronounced a negative opinion on the case; they had never come to any positive decision. For his part he thought that, from a consideration of all the circumstances of the case, if he was on a jury upon the merits of the case, he should be bound to say, that at least it was entitled to re-consideration.
Earl Temple
observed, that the business had the appearance of a job; and, of all times that could possibly be pitched upon, the present was the most unpropitious to a measure of that sort. Seeing the very heavy burthens to which the people of England cheerfully submitted for the necessary expences of the state, he would not think of voting away their money to any individual, however highly respectable, merely because the revenues of the Isle of Man had increased since the bargain was made. If the first contract was a close bargain, as had been urged, he conceived that a much greater compliment could not be paid to his revered relative (Mr. George Grenville), who was then the minister, and had been so provident of the public money. For these reasons he felt himself bound to support the amendment.
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considered the business as what was vulgarly called a "job". He thought that a case had never occurred, which involved so unwarrantable and shameful an abuse of the public money.
Lord De Blaquiere and Mr. Rose
supported the petition, and spoke at great length in favour of the original motion.
Mr. Bankes, Mr. Wilberforce, and Mr. Grey,
argued against the motion.
Mr. Sheridan
said, he would detain the house only with a very few words, and the rather he should be disposed to confine his remarks, because, excepting from his right hon. friend below him (Mr. Windham), he had heard very little that was applicable to the question. The committee in which these claims were considered, had been treated as indecorous, irregular, and even clamorous. It had the general defects of all open committees, and this was all that could be stated justly against it. The whole of the present debate was out of time; the gentlemen who had discussed the subject ought to have attended in the committee of which they complain, and to have assigned their reasons for the conduct they would now pursue. The question now before the house was, whether the report of the committee should be taken into consideration; and it was absurd, on such an enquiry, to examine into the general merits. The whole affair had been charged as a ministerial job. He should not easily be suspected of conducing to any project of this kind, and the doubt to was not what the duke of Atholl should receive in remuneration, but whether the house of commons should preserve that dignity and justice in its proceedings, by which it should be ever characterised. Much of the argument had been applied to the sovereign rights of the house of Atholl. He should have been extremely glad to have seen the right hon. the attorney-general in his place, to have denied the existence of such rights, and as he did not appear in his place to support his former opinion, he might at least be permitted to
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spoke at length against the claim, and made several observations on the arguments advanced.—The house then divided; when there appeared for the original motion 114; against it 48; majority 66.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer
then proposed that the committee be appointed for Wednesday next, as the first open day, which was opposed by Mr. Curwen and Mr. Peter Moore, who moved an amendment, to insert the words on Monday se'nnight. The house then divided. Against the amendment 40; for it 14; majority for the committee on Wednesday 26. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at half past three o'clock to Monday.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, June 10.
[MINUTES.] A message was received from the commons, importing that the house had granted permission to sir John and to sir James Stewart, baronets, to attend their lordships' committee, if the said members thought fit.—A second message was received from the commons, presented by sir John Stewart, including an exposition of the grounds on which the committee of that house (to whom the consideration of the affair of sir Popham was referred) required the attendance of the earl of St. Vincent to be examined before them.—Lord Sidmouth shortly addressed their lordships, relative to the last message from the commons, to the purport, as we could collect, that he was authorised by his noble friend, the earl of St. Vincent, to declare that he was ready and willing to attend the committee of the commons, should their lordships please to permit him.—Lord Walsingham acquainted the house, that a noble marquis (of Abercorn), then absent, intended to submit a motion to their lordships to-morrow, respecting the sitting of the committee of the whole house on the case of Mr. justice Fox.—The bills upon the table were forwarded in their several stages.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, June 10.
[MINUTES.] Lord J. Thynne brought in a bill for the better recovery of small debts in the city of Bath; which was read a first time.—Mr. Whitbread moved for an account of the date of the warrants of the treasury which were laid before his majesty on the 29th of May, 1800, respecting the deficiencies in the account of the late Adam Jellicoe, esq. as also the names of the persons to whom the said treasury warrants were issued. Ordered.—Mr. Whitbread also moved for an account of the balances in the hands of the receivers-general Of the Excise upon each quarter, from the 5th Of January, 1793, to the 5th of January in the present year; also the names of the persons in whose hands the said balances remained. The hon. member also moved for an account of the names of those persons in whose names navy, victualling, and transport bills had been funded in the years 1794, 1795, and 1796, for sums exceeding the value of 20,000l. Those several accounts were then ordered.—A person from the bank, pursuant to the order of the house, presented an account of the unclaimed dividends; which was received, and ordered to lie on the table.—The Expiring Laws bill, the Loyalty Loan bill, the Irish Militia Pay and Clothing bill, the Lottery bill, and the bill for regulating the
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, June 11.
[MINUTES.] Their lordships, pursuant to the order of the day, resolved into a committee of privileges; and lord Walsingham having taken the chair, Mr. Plomer was heard as counsel, at some length, in support of the claim of the duke of Rutland, to the Roos barony. After which, the committee deferred the farther consideration of the case till Friday.—The various bills upon the table were forwarded in their respective stages; among these, the Army Pay-Office Regulation bill, the West-India Free Ports, the Post Horse Duty Farming bill, and the Public Accountants' Audit bills, severally passed committees of the whole house, without amendment, and were afterwards reported.—Lingham's Divorce bill also passed through a committee; but receiving an amendment on the motion of lord Auckland, the report was ordered to be made to-morrow.—Lord Walsingham, (in the absence of the marquis of Abercorn.) moved that the committee of the whole house do proceed farther to-morrow in the consideration of the case of Mr. justice Fox; and that the counsel be called in at half past two o'clock, and their lordships summoned on the occasion, which was ordered accordingly.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, June 11.
[MINUTES.] Sir W. Curtis brought in the Port of London Improvement bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow.—The Spanish Red Wine Duty bill was read a third time and passed.—A person from the Bank of England presented, as moved yesterday by Mr. Whitbread, a return of the navy money issued from the Bank, with a list of the names in which the same were drawn, together with the amount of the respective sums. Ordered to lie on the table.—The Loyalty Loan, the Subaltern Officers, the Militia Adjutants and Serjeants Major, the Lottery, the Assessed Taxes Commissioners, and the Irish Militia bills, went through
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[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.] Previously to the moving the order of the day on Mr. Whitbread's motion for the impeachment of the right honourable lord viscount Melville,
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, June 12.
[TEUSH'S DIVORCE BILL.] Previous to the order of the day for going into a committee upon the case of Mr. justice Fox, their lordships resumed the consideration of the bill to divorce Mr.Teush from his now wife, and counsel and evidence were further heard. This principally respected the present situation and circumstances of Mr. Teush, with a view to his ability to pay the alimony of 200l. per ann. awarded Mrs. Teush by the ecclesiastical court; and evidence was adduced respecting the proceedings adopted at Doctors' Commons,. respecting a due payment of the same.—It being proposed to adjourn the farther consideration of the case till Monday,
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Mr. justice Fox then made his appearance; the counsel on both sides having previously been at the bar, and the witnesses in attendance, the learned judge took his seat on the left, within the newly-erected inclosure below the bar, and the examination of evidence began.—The first witness brought forward was Mr. Deering, a gentleman of the Irish bar, who had been present at the greater part, if not the whole of the trial of Fletcher, Sharp, and Keeys, for murder, at the autumn assizes in 1803, for the county of Fermanagh. It was with respect to the conduct of Mr. justice Fox, principally relative to the jury on that trial, that the article of charge, at present under consideration, was founded. The account given by the witness differed very little, as to the material substance, from that given by one of the former witnesses. As the present witness was proceeding in his statement of what had been said by Mr. justice Fox on the occasion; Mr. Adam, leading counsel for Mr. justice Fox, interposed,and observed, the witness had gone, and was going into a detailed account from his recollection of what Mr. justice Fox said to the petty jury and to the grand jury, and on different days; this, when it was considered, that the words alledged to be spoken may be of a criminating nature, involved some degree of embarrassment. Some of their lordships were acquainted with an act of the late Irish legislature, containing certain provisions, which, as going to affect an examination, such as that before them, might be matter of serious consideration. Upon this ground, he felt a degree of embarrassment, and he
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, June 12.
[MINUTES.]—Admiral Berkeley brought in a bill to continue in force, for a limited time, the Woollen Manufacturers' Suspension act, passed last session, which was ordered to be read a second time tomorrow, and to be printed.—Mr. Giles obtained leave to bring in a bill to extend the provisions of the act in force in this country, to prevent the forgery of bank notes and bills of exchange, to every part
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The motion on the amendment was then put in the following manner "that the original words, viz. that lord viscount Melville be impeached of high crimes and misdemeanours, stand, part of this motion." The ayes on this question went forth; and when in the lobby, Mr. Fox addressed the members, and said, that upon this question it was probable that they should be in a minority. But as, after this question, the amended motion would be put for a criminal prosecution, he would certainly concur in that mode, though he did not think it so desirable as the mode of impeachment. He intreated those gentlemen, therefore, who thought with him on this point, not to quit the house. The house then divided on the original motion, when the numbers were;
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Andover Lord
Baker, Peter Win.
Annesle, F.
Bankes, H.
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Anson, Thos.
Bamfylde, Sir C.
Barclay, George
Goddard, A.
Barclay, Sir R.
Grattan, H
Bastard, J. P.
Grenfel, P
Bathurst, C.
Grenville, R. Hon. T.
Beach, M. H.
Grey, C.
Bennet, R. H. A.
Grimston, Hon. J.
Benyon, R.
Harvey, E.
Bernard, T.
Hamilton, Lord A.
Bligh,.Thos.
Harrison, John
Bond, N.
Hawthorne, C S.
Bouverie, E.
Heathcote, J.
Brogden, J.
Heatcote, Sir W.
Browne, F. John
Hilliard, E
Bullock, John
Hobhouse, B.
Bunbury, Sir J. C.
Holland, Henry
Byng, G.
Honywood, Sir J.
Baker, W.
Horrocks, S.
Calcraft, J.
Howard, H.
Calvert, N.
Hughes, Wm. Lewis
Cavendish, Lord G. H.
Hughes, James
Cavendish, W.
Hume, W. H.
Caulfield, H.
Hurst, R.
Chute, W.
Hessey, W.
Cockerill, C.
Hutchin
Cocks, J. S.
Hudleston, J.
Coke, Thos.
Jeffery, John
Coke, Edward
Jervas, T.
Combe, H.
Jekyll, J.
Cornwall, Sir G.
Johnstone, George
Courtenay, John
Jervoise, C. J.
Crawford, R.
Kensington, Lord
Creevey, T.
Ker, R. G.
Curtis, Sir W.
King, Sir J. D.
Cumming, G.
Kinnaird, C.
Curwen, J. C.
Ladbrooke, Robert
Cockburne, R.
Lambton, Ralph
Cowper, Hon. S.
Langton, W. G.
Dawson, R.
Latouche, D.
Denison, John
Latouche, J.
Deverell, R.
Latouche, R.
Dickens, F.
Laurence, French
Dillon, H. A.
Lawley, Sir R.
Douglas, Marquis
Lemon, J.
Dugdale, S. D.
Lemon, Sir W.
Dundas, Hon. G. H. L.
Lloyd, J. M.
Dundas, Hon. L.
Loveden, E. L.
Duncannon, Lord
Lubbock, J.
Daniel, F.
M'Mahon, John
Ebrington, Lord
Manners, John
Eliot, Wm.
Markham, J.
Ellison, R.
Marsham, Lord
Estcourt, T.
Martin, R.
Eyre, A. H.
Middleton, Sir W.
Estcourt, T.
Milford, Lord
Fellowes, N.
Mills, C.
Fellowes, R.
Milner, Sir W.
Fitzgerald, R. Hon. J.
Moore, G. P.
Fitzpatrick, R.
Moore, Peter
Foley, Hon. A.
Mordaunt, C.
Foljambe, F. F.
Morpeth, Lord
Folkes, Sir M.
Morris, Edward
Folkestone, Lord
Mostyn, Sir T.
Fonblanque, J.
Mills, W.
Fox, C. J.
Metcalfe, Sir T.
Francis, P.
Mellish, W.
Fuller, J.
Newport, Sir J.
Fydell, T
Norman, R.
Foley, Thomas
North, Dudley
Frankland, W.
Northey, W.
Garland, G.
Neville, R.
Garrard, C. D.
Orchard, Paul
Geary, Sir William
Ord, William
Giles, D.
Ossulston, Lord
Golding, E.
Palk, Sir Lawrence
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Palmer, John.
Symondes, T. P.
Palmer, John.
St. John, Hon. St. A.
Patton, Peter
Smith, Charts
Patteson, John
Stewart, Hon. M.
Paxton, Sir W.
Talbot, Sir Charles
Pedley John
Tarleton, B.
Peirse, Henry
Taylor, C. W.
Pelham, Hon. C. A.
Temple, Earl
Petty, Lord Henry
Thornton, H.
Pitt, W. M.
Tierney, Right Hon. G.
Plumer, William
Townshend, Lord J.
Pole, Sir C. M.
Turner, Edward
Ponsonby, W. B.
Tyrrwhitt, T. D.
Porchester, Lord
Tyrrwhitt, Thomas
Portman, E. B.
Thornton, R.
Poyntz, William S.
Vansittart, George
Price, Sir C.
Vansittart, N.
Price, Richard
Walpole, George
Prinsep, J.
Walpole, Hor.
Pytches, John
Walsh, Sir J. B.
Paul, J.
Watson, G.
Pierepoint, C.
Western, C. C.
Raine, Jonathan
Wharton, J.
Russell, Lord Wm.
Whitbread, Samuel
Salisbury, Sir R.
Whitmore, John
Sargeant, John
Wiberforce, W.
Scott, Joseph
Williams, J. H.
Scudamore, J.
Williams, Owen
Shaftoe, R. E. D.
Williams, Robert
Shakespeare, A.
Windham, W.
Shelly, Henry
Wood, George
Sheridan, R. B.
Wrottesley, Sir J.
Smith, Wm.
Wynne, Charles
Somerville, Sir M.
Wyndham, P.
Spencer, Lord. R.
Wright, A.
Stanley, Lord
Young, Sir W.
Stewart, James
Paired off on the same Side.
Sir W. W. Wynne
Sir Ralph Milbanke
Sir G. Heathcote
Serjeant Best
Hon. Mr. Warde
J. Foster Barham
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, June 13.
[MINUTES.]
The claim of sir Cecil Bishop to the Zouch peerage was further proceeded in. Mr. Gaselee was heard on the part of the claimant.—Lingham's Divorce bill, and some other bills mostly private, were read a third time and passed.—Lord Auckland presented an Account of the Proceedings of the Trustees of Chatham Chest under the late act of parliament; which was ordered to lie on the table.—On the Salford Justices' bill, in a committee of the whole house, the clerk of the peace for Lancashire was examined relative to the bill, after which the bill was reported.—The house resolved itself into a committee on the Stipendiary Curates' bill, when a conversation ensued relative to some proposed amendments; after which the chairman left the chair, and the committee were ordered to sit again to-morrow.—Adjourned.
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, June 14.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] Lord Walsingham moved, that the order of the day for their lordships going into a committee upon the case of Mr. Justice Fox be discharged; which being done, his lordship moved that the house do resolve itself into a commitee for the above purpose, which was ordered accordingly.
Lord
Auckland
Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Auckland,
Lord
Bolton
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[STIPENDIARY CURATES' BILL]. The order being read for their lordships' going into a committee on this bill, the house accordingly resolved itself into the same.
The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Auckland
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The
Lord Chancellor,
Lord
Hawkesbury
The Earl of
Suffolk
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The Earl of
Bridgwater,
The Bishop of
St. Asaph
The Bishop of
London
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Lord
Sidmouth
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[CONDUCT OF MR. PITT RELATIVE TO THE LOAN TO BOYD AND BENFIELD.]—Mr.
Whithread
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Mr. Henry Lascelles
commenced his speech with observing, that it would ill become him, after what the house had heard stated, with infinite ability, by the right hon. gent. (the chancellor of the exchequer) below him, to go at large into the question. In taking up the time of the house, he was not sanguine enough to hope that he should afford them any additional satisfaction; but having sat every day upon that committee, and having given all the attention in his power to what had passed there, he thought in incumbent on him to give notice, on a former evening, that he would propose counter-resolutions to any motion of censure which the hon. member on the opposite side might think proper to bring forward against the right hon. gent. below him. It, however, afforded him much satisfaction to see the hon. gent. who brought forward the resolutions this night, assume a tone and manner so different to that which he manifested when he first mentioned his intention of inculpating the right hon. gent. below him. From all that he had then declared, he concluded, that he had determined to bring forward a resolution of direct and unqualified censure against the right hon. gent., whom he seemed to wish to implicate in the misconduct which had lately engaged so much of the attention of that house. On a former night, when a motion of censure was carried against the violation of an act of parliament, and that it was voted a high breach of duty, he recollected that some gentleman on the other side of the house, endeavoured to extend that censure to the right hon. gent., and loudly exclaimed, that the country was governed by a "disgraced administration." Some of those gentlemen had since an opportunity of convincing them-
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The Chancellor of the Exchequer
rose, just to make a single observation. He wished to know whether this was a case on which it would be proper for him to withdrawn. The resolutions proposed contained nothing of a criminating nature, and the hon. gent. who proposed them had disclaimed any intention of moving them with a view to criminate him. But upon referring to a former case, when resolutions of a criminating tendency had been proposed he observed an entry made, that the member, after concluding what he had to say in his defence, then withdrew. It was for the house to determine, whether the present was a case in which he should adopt a similar course.—(A general cry of no, no.)
The Speaker
stated, that it would be for the house in its wisdom to decide; but as the resolutions were not of a criminating nature, it was his opinion that the case was not such as to require the right hon. member to withdraw.
Mr. Fox
said, in reference to the observation of the right hon. gent., it was undoubtedly for himself to consider whether it would be proper to retire. But it did not appear to his mind that there was any thing in the resolutions proposed by his hon. friend of such a criminating nature, with respect to the right hon. gent., as to bring his case within the precedent alluded to
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Mr. H. Lascelles
observed, that if the house adopted his resolution, a bill of indemnity might afterwards be brought in upon that resolution.
Lord Castlereagh
did not wish, nor feel it necessary to argue the general question at any length, conceiving that on the general view of the subject, there was no material difference of opinion, that might not easily be accommodated. He acknowledged the candour and moderation in which the original resolutions had been brought forward by the hon. mover, and also the hon. member who supported his motion; and was sure it must be satisfactory to the house, as well as to his right hon. friend, who had also acknowledged it. The only difference between the motion proposed by the hon. gent. who introduced the debate, and that of his hon. friend behind him (Mr. Lascelles) was, the former did not so fully state the facts, nor recognise the necessity Upon which the act was done. He thought the motion proposed by his hon, friend much more to the purpose, and that coupled with a bill of indemnity, and a few words in amendment, stating, that the instance should not be drawn into precedent, it would meet the object of both sides of the house.
Mr. Rose
vindicated the conduct of lord and the lords of the treasury, on the object of Mr. Jellicoe's arrear, and Stated that Mr. Jellicoe had not been originally employed by lord Melville, nor had his arrear accrued under his immediate administration in that department; and that the whole of his property had been sold under an extent towards making good his deficiency.
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Lord Glenbervie
said, the statement made in the report of the committee, of the evidence he gave, was erroneous. He did not say he was present as lord of the treasury, when the warrant was issued, to indemnify lord Melville for Jellicoe's arrear. If he had been, he should most probably have agreed to it without examination; but he was not for some time in the habit of attending that board, being employed more advantageously elsewhere for the public service.
Mr. Sheridan
rose to ask a question, in order to save the time of the house; as upon the answer he should receive would depend whether he should think it necessary to debate the question at greater length. The question was, whether it was intended to ground a bill of indemnity upon the resolution announced by the hon. gent?
Mr. Lascelles
thought he had explained his idea, that the house had it in its option to pass a bill of indemnity, if it thought necessary. He himself thought the resolution sufficient; but if it was the sense of the house, he should have no objection to move for leave to bring in a bill of indemnity, founded upon his proposed resolution.
Mr. Grey
could not agree to the wording of the resolution proposed by the hon. gent. because he could not consent to record the approval of an act, which, however warranted by circumstances, or deserving of indemnity, was a violation of the law. What he should propose then, instead of the resolution moved by his hon. friend, was merely a resolution, that the sum of 40,000l. had been issued by the lords of the treasury, for a purpose which appeared to them, at the time, necessary to avert a great injury to public credit; and then, upon that ground, without expressing any approbation or censure, to move for leave to bring in a bill of indemnity.
Mr. S. Thornton
liked the resolution as proposed by his hon. friend below him (Mr. Lascelles), but did not think the insertion of the words, "not to be brought into precedent," necessary. He did not think such an event likely again to occur. The advance to the house of Boyd and Co. at the time, he thought was critically and indispensably made; if it was considered that the house was at that time agent for a loan of four millions to the emperor of Germany, and that it was pledged to pay a dividend of 187,000l. in a few weeks afterwards; any failure in either of which en-
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Mr. Dillon
thought the difference between the resolutions proposed on both sides of the house so trivial, as to be very easily reconciled, and produce the unanimity so desirable.
Mr. Canning
thought, that in any resolution adopted by the house, two things should be done; one to characterise the act itself; the other, to guard against its being in future drawn into precedent. The latter of those would be done by the resolution proposed by the hon. member behind him (Mr. Lascelles), and from the character given in the same resolution, of the act itself, he would not depart an inch.
Mr. Windham
thought it an unfair return for the moderation and candour admitted by gentlemen on the other side to have been exhibited by the hon. mover, and by his hon. friend (Mr. Fox), to force them to seem to approve of what they had not investigated. He thought the resolution of his hon. friend (Mr Whitbread) the only thing the house ought to vote at present; the substance of which was, that the conduct to which he referred being against law, as it was admitted to be, ought not to be drawn into precedent. The house ought not to give any opinion on the expediency of the measure, because, without a great deal of enquiry, the house could not be sufficiently informed to make up an opinion.
The Attorney General
paid many handsome compliments to gentlemen on the other side for their candour and moderation upon this subject, but observed, that they should not place the minister in a worse situation by their candour, than they could have done by their utmost hostility. Had they attacked him hostilely, they would have put him on his defence, and then it was manifest that the house would have agreed that his conduct, although against a positive law, and, therefore, not to be drawn into a precedent, was yet, under all the circumstances of the case, not only justifiable, but highly meritorious. Gentlemen now asked the
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Mr. Fox,
in answer, thought the imputation upon his candour was ill-timed. He never said that the act was positively right. He only admitted that, though wrong, it might have been done with a good intent.
The Attorney General
in reply, observed, that the candour of the hon. gent. would have the effect of hostility; but he had not charged the hon. gent. with meaning it should have that operation.
Mr. William Smith
arose, amidst a loud cry for the question. He considered the evidence in justification of the chancellor of the exchequer as defective, as it did not shew that the house of Boyd had attempted to sell out their scrip in small portions, which might have been done without depreciating the article, and also because Mr. Pitt was content with the mere word of Mr. Boyd, and made no enquiry into the necessity of the case.
Mr. H. Lascelles
said, as the sense of the house seemed to be in favour of a bill of indemnity, he had no objection to such course. He then read his resolution, which he proposed as the preamble of such bill, with the proposed amendment of lord Castlereagh, stating, that the act, though not conformable with law, and, as such, not to be drawn into precedent, was justified by the peculiar exigencies of the times.
Mr. Wilberforce
was decidedly for the bill of indemnity, as the best recognition the house could adopt, of a transaction so extraordinary; which; though warranted by the necessity of the case, and justified the purity of his right hon. friend's intentions, was nevertheless contrary to law, and could not be sufficiently recognized by a mere resolution. But he was against using the words "not to be again drawn into precedent;" for certainly a similar necessity would justify a similar transaction, subject, however, to the cognizance of parliament. He approved of bill of indemnity wherever any breach of law was committed, and he preferred it in the present instance to a vote of that house, the more particularly, because
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The Master of the Rolls
said, if the house thought the act justifiable, it was wrong to say it should not be drawn into precedent; and if it were not justifiable, it ought to be marked with censure. A bill of indemnity, in the present case, he conceived to be a matter of indifference, if not a work of supererogation.
Lord Castlereagh
did not think that the words "not to be drawn into precedent," would operate as a restriction upon future ministers. He approved of the resolution of Mr Lascelles, with a bill of indemnity. He said, the amendment had been thrown in in compliance with the suggestion of the hon. gent. opposite. But as it was objected to, he should withdraw it.
Mr. Bond
was favourable to the bill of indemnity, because an act of parliament had been violated; and however justifiable the motive, he thought nothing but an act of parliament would do away the transgression.
Colonel Hutchinson
arose, but the demand for the question, for some time loud, now so much increased as to prevent his progress. At length, raising his voice very high, he said, I will go on; if gentlemen think they will put me down in this way, they do not know the individual whom they attack. No gentleman, in or out of this house, shall treat me in a manner I do not deserve. If I am disorderly, let any gentleman arise, and shew me in what respect I am so.—The hon. member then proceeded to state, that the resolution of Mr. Lascelles implied a strong approbation of the act; whereas, he thought, that the conduct of Mr. Pitt, in not disclosing it immediately, ought not to go down with applause; and, therefore, he should support the original motion. The house became clamorous for the question before the hon. member sat down.
Mr. Whitbread
in reply alluded to what had fallen from the attorney general, who disliked candour and hated mercy, on the can did and moderate speech of his hon. friend (Mr. Fox), and on the resolution expressed by another right hon. gent. (Mr. Canning), not to yield an inch, while gentlemen on that side of the house were willing to yield so far. The noble lord, too, who had seemed so concious of the spirit of moderation displayed on that side of the
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HOUSE OF LORDS
Monday, June 17
[MINUTES.]
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[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]—Lord
Auckland
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Lord
Hawkesbury
The Earl of
Carnarvon,
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Auckland
The
Lord Chancellor
The question was then put, and lord Auckland's motion was negatived without a division. His lordship afterwards entered the following Protest on the journals.
Dissentient,—1. Because the proceedings in question are grounded on allegations, some of which amount to a charge of crime and misdemeanor; and it is clearly contrary to the laws and statutes of this realm, that any accusation or complaint containing a charge of crime and misdemeanor, can originally be preferred this
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[TEUSH'S DIVORCE BILL.]—The order of the day respecting this bill being read, counsel and evidence in support of the same were called to the bar. After the counsel had withdrawn,
The Bishop of
St. Asaph
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The Earl of
Carnarvon
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Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Auckland
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The
Lord Chancellor
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, June 17.
[MINUTES.]—The Bark Preservation bill passed through a committee.—Mr. Giles brought in a bill for extending the provisions of the Bank Note Forgery Prevention bill to all parts of the united kingdom. Read a first time, to be read a second to-morrow. —Lord. W. Russell presented a petition from certain inhabitants of Camberwell,in favourof the Camberwell Water Works bill. Ordered to lie on the table. Also a petition from certain persons whose names were there unto subscribed, against the bill for making a Road under the River Thames. Referred to the committee on the bill, and he petitioners ordered to be heard by their
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[IRISH COMMISSIONERS OF COMPENSATIONS.]—Sir
John Newport
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Mr.
Vansitlart
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Mr.
Ponsonby
Sir
J. Newport
Mr.
Vansittart
Sir
John Newport
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Mr.
Corry
[MIDDLESEX ELECTION.]—Mr.
Creevey
Mr.
H. Thornton
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Mr.
Creevey
The
Attorney-General
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, June 18.
[MINUTES.]—Pursuant to the order of the day, their lordships resolved into a committee of privileges, and, lord Walsingham having taken the chair, counsel and evidence were further heard, respecting the claim of lady Henry Fitzgerald to the above barony, the duke of Rutland's defence of his title to the same, &c.; after which the farther consideration of the case was deferred till Friday.—The bills upon
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[STATE OF IRELAND.]— The order of the day being read:
The Earl of Suffolk rose to bring forward his promised motion on the above subject. He prefaced it by a speech of considerable length, in the course of which, he expatiated upon the superior policy and expedience of enquiry on the principle which he was about to recommend; a principle, which was sanctioned by the authority and recommendation of that statesman and philosopher, lord chancellor Bacon, and to the want of a proper attention to which, was in a great degree to be attributed the loss of our late possessions in North America. He dwelt upon the great importance of Ireland as a component and integral part of the united kingdom, and its peculiar political importance, resulting from its geographical situation, and the various local advantages possessed by that island. This important part of the united Kingdom, he was warranted by authority, in saying, was far from being in a tranquil state; this he could fairly infer from various opinions upon the subject, which were given by many noble lords in the course of late important discussions on the catholic question, and more especially from the legislative authority of the two bills passed in the early part of the session, exclusively applicable to Ireland; the one for suspending the habeas corpus act, and the other authorising the exercise of martial law. Politically speaking, therefore, Ireland was not to be regarded as in a tranquil state; and, with respect to its domestic and internal consideration, he trusted he could prove it to be, so far as to lay a ground for his intended motion, in a state, comparatively, of the most deplorable misery. To the present unfortunate situation of Ireland, he observed, various causes contributed, and some of the principal of these he should endeavour to explain to their lordships. In this view, what struck him as one of the most prominent, was the consideration of tithes, which under the existing regulations, and in the way in which they were collected in Ireland, were to be regarded as an intolerable grievance. Their lordShips would recollect, that the great body of the peasantry and the lower class of the people in that country
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The Earl of Limerick rose, and observed that as an Irishman, he must directly oppose the motion of the noble earl, as likely to produce great mischiefs. Indeed, for a long time, he should not have been speaking of Ireland, till, by further attention,and the frequent repetition of the word, he found the noble earl meant to apply his observations to that part of the united kingdom. In the present instance, he assured their lordships he would intrude upon their patience but a very short time; and, first, he would observe, that one of the leading propositions of the noble earl, as he understood its application, would go to deprive the protestant established church of Ireland of its means of support: he alluded to the destruction of tithes. Were their lordships prepared to accede to any proposition that would tend to that? With regard to the noble earl's description of the state of Ireland: with respect to the condition of its peasantry, the low prices of labour, he must have made his calculations upon what
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The Duke of Norfolk begged leave to offer a few observations on the subject. With respect to those mischievous effects, which the noble earl, who had last spoke, seemed to apprehended, in case the motion was agreed to, he confessed no such apprehensions presented themselves to his mind. With respect to the important subject of tithes, his grace observed, that finding the law in that respect coeval in this country. With the laws for the conversation of every other kind of property, he considered them as entitled to equal regard. They were the
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Lord Hawkesbury observed, the motion under consideration was one which he should feel it his duty to resist, were it only upon the ground of its being very ill-timed: it also involved consideration, which, under the present circumstance and situation, not only of Ireland, but of the empire as large,
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The Earl of Suffolk spoke in explanation, and stated that his ideas did not go to the abolition of tithes, which, he agreed, should be considered as the property of the church. He adverted to and enforced some of the proposition he had in the first instance advanced, and referred to the act of Elizabeth, which recognised the principle, and enjoined enquiries enquiries of the kind, as we understood his lordship, through the medium of the judges, who were to report the result of their enquiries to the crown, and which he thought it would be well to act upon.—After some farther observations, the question was put, and decided in the negative, without a division.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, June 18.
The house was counted by the speaker at four O'clock, when the requisite number of members not being present, it was immediately adjourned till to-morrow.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, June 19.
[Minutes]—Lord Glenbervie, accompanied by several members, delivered a message from the commons, purporting, that the committee of that house, on which the permission of their lordships for the attendance of the viscount Sidmouth, and the earl of Buckinghamshire, had been requested, having closed the hearing of evidence, and made their report, the necessity for such attendance, on the part of those noble lords, no longer existed.—Mr. Alexander presented the Seamen's Encouragement bill, and the London Port Improvement bill, which, with several private bills, recently brought up, were severally read a first time.—The bills upon the table were forwarded in their respective stages. Among these the Irish Paper Duty bill, the English and Irish Militia Pay bills, and the Militia Adjutants' bills severally went through committees of the whole house, and the reports were received.—In the committee on the General Turnpike Road bill. The duke of Norfolk objected to one of its leading provisions. By the former act, a moiety of certain monies, levied for offences under the act, was granted to the informer. In the present bill, the whole money was appropriated to the repair of the roads, which would deprive the informer of his principal
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Hawkesbury
[Message From The King.]—Lord Hawkesbury delivered the following message from his majesty:
"George R.—His majesty thinks proper to acquaint the house of lords, that the communications which have taken place, and are still depending, between his majesty and some of the powers on the continent, have not yet been brought to such a point as to enable his majesty to lay the result of them before the house, or to enter into any further explanation with the French government, consistently with the sentiments expressed by his majesty at the opening of the present session. But his majesty conceives that it may be of essential importance that he should have it in his power to avail himself of any favourable conjuncture for giving effect to such a concert with other powers, as may afford the best means of resisting the inor-
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Hawkesbury
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, June 19.
[Minutes.]—Sir J. B. Warren brought up the report of the committee, to whom the petition of the trustees of the Naval Asylum was referred. Ordered to lie on the table, to be printed, and to be taken into consideration by a committee of the whole house on Friday next.—On the motion of lord Glenbervie, it was ordered, that a message should be sent to the lords, acquainting their lordships, that the select committee on the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry having closed their examinations, the commons no longer. thought it necessary to desire the attendance of the lord president of the council, the earl St. Vincent, and the earl of Buckinghamshire.—The Bank Forgery bill was read a second time, ordered to be committed on Tuesday, and in the mean time to be printed.—The London Port Improvement bill was read a third time, and passed.—Serjeant Best moved the second reading of the Members of Parliament Bankrupt bill. Sir W. Lemon conceiving that the bill was of great importance, hoped the learned gentleman would not press it through the house the present session. The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Tuesday.—The London Fish Bounty Amendment act was read a third time and passed.—Mr. Long brought up the report of the committee to whom the petition of the trustees of the British Museum was referred, stating, that in their opinion, the purchase of the late Mr. Townley's collection of antiques, was an object of great national importance, and that the sum required of 20,000l. was a moderate price for the same. Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.—On the motion of Mr. Bankes, it was ordered that such part of the report of the
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[Committee of Supply.] — The order of the day for the house resolving itself into a committee of ways and means having been read, it was ordered, on the motion of the chancellor of the exchequer, that the public estimates and accounts be referred to the said committee. On the motion for the speaker's leaving the chair,
Mr. Fox asked the right hon. gent. opposite, whether or not he was right in understanding that the sum of five millions to be appropriated to a particular purpose, had been already voted in the committee of supply?
The Chancellor of the Exchequer replied, that it was certainly inched in the general vote, but that there had been no specific votes had been kept back from the circumstances of the destination of that sum not having been ascertained. He hoped, however, either
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Mr. Grey observed, that when he gave the notice of his motion, which, stood for to-morrow, it was because no communication of the kind alluded to by the right hon. gent. had been made to the house; an occurrence which might alter his intention.—The house then went into a committee, in which it was resolved on the motion of the chancellor of the exchequer, that the sum of 4 millions out of the surplus of the consolidated fund, and the sum of £1,192,115 19 11½ out of the surplus of the grants of last year, be granted towards the supply. The house having resumed, the report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
[Duke of Atholl's Claim.]—The order of the day having been read for the house resolving itself into a committee on the report of the committee to whom the petition of the duke of Atholl had been referred, colonel Stanley moved that the speaker do now leave the chair.
Mr. Frankland opposed the motion, and expressed his conviction, that a more important subject had never been brought before parliament; not certainly with regard to the magnitude of the immediate object of discussion, but with regard to the danger of the precedent. He was convinced that the friends of the noble duke would essentially serve him, were they to advise him to withdraw his petition, to begin the business de novo, and to give it quite a different direction. Much stress had been laid on the dissatisfaction that was manifested at the period when the royalties of the Isle of Man were sold to the crown of Great Britain by the ancestor of the noble duke; but this was the dissatisfaction that naturally arose in men of high minds at being deprived of peculiar privileges; it was unconnected with any pecuniary idea, and he was persuaded, that had 700,000l. been the purchase money instead of 70,000l. that dissatisfaction would still have been displayed. The noble duke himself, in his early applications to parliament on this subject, had not hinted at any inadequacy in the pecuniary compensation. He had merely asserted his right to various little vestiges of princely power, and having been defeated in his attempts to procure those in the courts of law, he had brought
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Mr. Rose observed, that the duke of Atholl, confessedly deprived of rights for which no sum could be an adequate compensation, came to the house for the restoration of several rights, which, when granted, could be no loss to the public. He failed in this; but although no pecuniary compensation was at first thought of, yet, when it was found that the right was sold at a quarter of its value, it was perfectly open to the noble duke to bring forward the present claim. The bargain had been precipi-
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Sir William Young, having taken an active part in the discussion on a petition presented from the inhabitants of Man about twenty years ago to the house, thought he could furnish the house with some lights on the subject. That petition stated, that. one half of those who were formerly engaged in the contraband trade had emigrated to America, and the other half had resorted to the fishery for support. Of thirty-two thousand inhabitants which the island contained, there were three thousand employed on the seas, being a greater number of able-bodied men in proportion to the population of the island, than any other part of the united empire afforded for his majesty's navy: The ancestor of the duke of Atholl had firmed the revenue of the island to a merchant of Liverpool for one thousand pounds a year, and the duke had no right to claim additional compensation in consequence of the increase of that revenue under the fostering care of the British legislature,
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Mr. D. Giddy followed on the same side, and argued, that the compensation, if any ought to be granted, (the contrary to which maintained,) should be granted from the public purse. If it was in consequence of the public advantages derived from the transaction, that the compensation was demanded, it was but just the public should pay. If a pension were to be given to any individual for public services, it would be unjust to make a particular parish supply the income.
Mr. Kinnaird supported the claim of the noble duke. He observed that the objections to that claim had been directed rather against the manner than the matter of it. Gentlemen treated this as a hardship on the inhabitants of the Isle of Man; that was no more matter of objection than the practice of granting to persons in this country pensions upon the Irish establishment; a practice which was common, and not objected to. He thought the former bargain between government and the duke of Atholl in 1765, when seventy thousand pounds were allowed, extremely hard upon the noble duke. In point of fact, the whole revenue of the island was his sole property, and he was the sole legislator also of the island, at least he possessed absolute power over the revenue, and he had a right to the enjoyment of the whole of its surplus, as much as our sovereign had to his civil list, all of which the duke gave up; nor had the present noble duke the means of resisting the hard bargain made in 1765, he had therefore a claim on the justice and liberality of the house. As to the opinion which the attorney-general had given on this subject adverse to the claim of the noble duke, it
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Mr. Johnstone felt it extremely unpleasant to oppose the claims of an individual so distinguished as the noble duke, but he had a paramount duty to perform. He never voted away any of the money of the public, but under circumstances in which he would consent to give away his own. in this case, upon a full view of it, he did not think himself justified in assenting to, on the contrary, he thought himself called upon to oppose the claim of the noble duke.
Mr. Harrison was averse to the granting any thing further by way of compensation to the noble duke, on the ground that it had been settled forty years ago, and that the opinions of the law officers of the crown were decidedly against the claim of the noble duke. He thought the long lapse of time since the bargain an argument against the claim, otherwise no bargain made for the public was secure. The money paid for the island had been laid out in lands in Scotland, and the increase of emolument upon it must be much greater than the increase of the revenue of the island.
Lord
Henniker
Sir R Williams thought the compensation very ample at the time, and was decidedly against any further compensation whatever.
Mr. Windham wished to record his sentiments upon the subject. The burthen of proof was on those who supported this claim. He contended that there was no compulsion upon the duke of Atholl to assent to the terms he agreed to in the
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Mr. Sheridan said he had listened with attention to his friends who had opposed the claim of the duke of Atholl, under some apprehension they might change his opinion upon that subject; but instead of doing so, they had each in his turn confirmed him in that opinion. He did not think his right hon. friend (Mr. Windham) had enriched his speech that night so much as he usually did by lively sallies of wit and sprightly eloquence. He did not think much of the story of the cat tied at one end of the rope, and the man at the other, unless for the mere pun on the Isle of Man; it reminded him, however, of the exertions of his hon. friends with regard to their pulling at the end of the rope against the claim of the noble duke, for it certainly was "a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull all together." He suspected, indeed, from the manner in which his hon. friends had opposed this claim, that they had not given themselves the trouble of reading it; which remined him of a learned friend of his, who was once attorney-general, although he usually voted on the opposition side of the house, who had spoken to him of the peace after the American war, and reprobated it in the most severe manner. "What do you think of the 7th article? Have you read that?" said I. "No." said he, "I do not think that any part of it is fit to be read." So here his hon. friends did not think the claim of the duke of Athol was fit to be read, otherwise it was to him manifest they would not oppose it as they did. He considered the letters of Mr. Hammersley and of the late duke of Atholl, as conclusive evidence that seventy thousand pounds was not then considered as a sufficient compensation. In his letter to lord Mansfield, requesting his lordship's advice, he sent a detailed estimate of the losses at six hundred and twenty thousand pounds. It could not be presumed that he would have sent such estimate, if it had been evidently and most ridiculously over the value. Neither
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Mr. Wilberforce begged the house seriously to consider that the present demand was not so much upon the revenues of the Isle or Man, as upon the consolidated fund of Great-Britain and the money of their constituents. He ridiculed the estimate of 620,000l. sent in by the late duke) of Atholl, and said it would seem as if his grace had considered the sovereignty of the Isle of Man as something nearly equivalent in value to the crown of Poland, which was estimated at a million in the following lines,
"The crown of Poland, venal twice an age,
"To just a million stinted modest Gage."
He then read extracts of letters from both the duke and duchess of Atholl (the duchess being the heiress of the island) in which they both consider seventy thousand pounds as a full equivalent for what they were going to lose. He positively denied that any committee had as yet reported in favour of the duke's claim, and he thought if it was now granted, it would be a precedent to that family to come again at a future time, and demand still farther compensation.
Mr. Barham thought it extremely improper to give the name of an infamous job to a measure that any considerable number of members in that house might think it their duty to support. If even the charge was consistent with truth, it was language, not consistent with good manners He then entered into the consideration of the claim of his grace, which he stronlgy supported.
Mr. Curwen replied to the different argu-
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[Message from the King.] — The Chancellor of the Exchequer brought down a message from his majesty, for which see the proceedings of the house of lords. As soon as the message was read from the chair, the right hon. gent. gave notice, that he should move on Friday next, that his majesty's most gracious message be referred to a committee of supply, not imagining that on that day it would provoke much debate, as the subject matter of the message was likely to occupy much of the next day's discussion.
Mr. Fox was ready to allow that much of what the message referred to might very likely come under discussion the next day, but not so entirely and distinctly as when the right hon. gent. intended more immediately to submit it to the consideration of the house. It was therefore his opinion, that the more proper moment for entering into a discussion of the message, would be on the motion that the speaker do leave the chair.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, June 20.
[MINUTES]—Counsel were further heard in the committee of privilege relative to the claim of sir Cecil Bishop to the Barony of Zouch.—Strangers were then excluded for some time, during which some bills were brought up from the commons. After our re-admission, the Lottery bill, the Militia Pay and Clothing bill, the Militia Adjutant's bill, the Militia Subaltern's bill, and some other bills, were read a third time and passed; as was also the Irish Commissioner's bill, after a few observations from the earl of Suffolk relative to the Barrack Department in Ireland and this country.—The Turnpike Act
Amendment
[HIS MAJESTY'S MESSAGE.]—The order, of the day being moved for taking his majes-
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Mulgrave
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Carysfort
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Mulgrave
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Hawkesbury
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Carlisle
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Earl
Camden
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Earl
Darnley
The Earl of
Westmoreland
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Earl
Spencer
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Harrowby
The Earl of
Suffolk
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The Earl of
Carnarvon
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Sidmouth,
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Holland
Lord
Grenville
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The Lord
Chancellor
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Carliste
Lord
Grenville
His Royal Highness the
Prince of Wales
The question was then put, when the house divided on the motion for the address,
Contents, present
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Proxies
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111
Non contents, present
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Proxies
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58
Majority
53
Adjourned at two o'clock on Thursday morning.
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Thursday, June 20
[MINUTES.] On the motion of Mr. Huskisson, the house went into a commitee
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[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE]—Mr. Bond wished to put a question hon. gent. opposite (Mr. Whitbread), the answer to which would probably prevent the necessity of a particular Motion. The house having instructed the attorney general to prosecute lord Melville for the criminal matter imputed to him in the tenth report, he conceived it was not in the power of the attorney general to exclude from the range of that prosecution any offence whatsoever contained in that report. If therefore, it was proper that any particular transactions, should be excluded from the prosecution; it was fit the attorney general should be structed as to such exclusion. There could be now no doubt that the forty thousand pounds, advanced to Boyd and Benfield, was one point on which there could be no intention to prosecute. He was of opinion that the case of Jellicoe also should be excluded, as not of sufficient importance to be made a ground of charge. But,as he recollected that the hon. gent. opposite (Mr. Whitbread) made it the ground of one of the articles of impeachment which he Meant to have presented, he asked, that hon. gent. now whether he Meant it should make one of the subjects of the prosecution directed by the house? If the hon. gent. did not think it should, and if no intimation of a contrary sentiment came from any other part of the house, he thought that it would be sufficient to let the attorney general know that this also was not to be included in the prosecution
Mr.
Whitbread
The
Attorney General
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Mr. Bond, in explanation, said, he had no,objection to propose a vote for excluding the matter of. Jellicoe, though he thought the simple mode of ascertaining the sense of the house he had already noticed, was sufficient. As to the other difficulties suggested by the attorney general, it Would be presumption in him to notice them. He left it to the attorney general, if he should aftertwards find these, difficulties stand in his way, to make them the subjects of further motions.
Mr Whitbread hoped the house would find a way for the hon. and learned gent to get out of all the embarrassments with which he found himself surrounded, and enable him to do complete justice between the individual who was the object of his prosecution and the public. His own intention was, if the impeachment had been agreed to, to suspend the civil suit with respect to both lord Melville and Mr. Trotter, and if that was not sufficient to enable Mr. Trotter to be a witness, to bring in a bill of indemnity for him, with a view that the whole system of the navy pay office should be laid open. He should be inclined to think the same course ought still to be adopted; but it rested not with him, but with the hon. gent. Who had recommended the mode proceeding agreed on by the house, bring in the regulation which were necessary in consequence.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer thought enough appeared,from What had passed, to shew that it would have been wise in the house,to have proceeded with more deliberation. With respect to the matter now before that house, it Was impossible his hon. and learned friend could collect the wishes of the house from what fell loosely in the expression of individual opinions. It was not enough to leave out the matter of Jellicoe leaving the whole remaining matter of the report for the learned gent. to glean out of. It Would be proper to exclude, by specific resolution.
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Mr. Fox said, he would not now enter into particulars, as the whole matter was to be made the subject of future discussion; but he could not admit the difficulties, stated by the attorney-general, as they were insisted upon by the right, hon. gent. (the chancellor of the exchequer) in all prosecutions directed by the house, the attorney-general was responsible. If the prosecution was instituted by address, an intermediate responsibility rested upon him; but the attorney-general was not thereby exempted from all responsibility. With respect to the mode of proceeding, he was one of those who approved of the proceeding by impeachment but though that mode was not proved of he could not admit that the sense
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Bond
Mr.
Sheridan
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Mr.
Canning
Mr.
Harrison
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The
Attorney-General,
Mr.
Bankes
Mr.
Rose
[STATE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRE.]—Mr. Crey rose to make his promised motion on the state of public affairs, and spoke, in substance as follows:I rise for the purpose of calling the attention of the house to the present most critical state of the country, and in doing so I am not aware that
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Lord Castlereagh
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Mr.
Windham
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they
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Mr.
Canning
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Mr.
Windham
Earl
Temple
Mr.
Fox
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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531
Mr.
Grey
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Ayes
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Noes
261
Majority against Mr. Grey's motion
151
Adjourned at a quarter before three o'clock on Friday morning.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, June 21.
[MINUTES.]—Mr. Lascelles brought up from the commons Mr. Pitt's Indemnity bill; which was read a first time, and ordered to be printed.—Lord Suffolk presented a petition from the church-wardens of the parish of St. Pancras, against the Pancras Poor bill. This petition, like that presented yesterday, was found to be irregular, and was withdrawn, in order that another more consistent with the orders of the house might be presented.—The Stipendiary Curates' bill being re-committed, the archbishop of Armagh moved, that the words "England and Wales" be left out, in order to make the bill applicable to Ireland also. After a long conversation, in which the archbishop of
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[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX]—Lord Walsingham presented a petition from Mr. Justice Fox. The petitioner, after referring to the examination of the witnesses, which took place on Wednesday last, stated, that he felt it his duty to submit to their lordships' consideration the situation in which he stood, in order that the hardship of that situation might be removed. He had learned on Wednesday, that the expenses of W. Armstrong, and others, who were parties against him, were defrayed at the public charge. These persons were not only examined as witnesses against him, but were heard by counsel, as was usual, in cases of private, petitioners. The Charges against him related to transactions which occurred so far back as the summer assizes in 1803, and he had received the first notice of the proceedings on the subject in their lordships house, through the medium of the public newspapers. The petitioner farther observed, that he had been greatly harassed, and suffered much vexation of mind, by the proceedings against him, and had been subjected to great expenses. But though the expense he had already incurred was considerable, it formed but a small part of that which he would probably be put to. He was thus placed in a situation very unequal to that in which the parties against him stood. He, a public magistrate, was obliged to defend himself at his own ex-expene, against private individuals who carried o
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Lord Chancellor
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, June 21.
[MINUTES.]—Mr. Pitt's Indemnity bill passed through a committee, was reported, read a third time and passed.—Sir Evan Nepean moved that there be laid before the house an account of what monies had been issued by the treasurer of his majesty's navy, under the act of the 43d of his majesty, relating to the discovery of the longitude; also, an account of the monies disbursed by the board of longitude, from the 1st of June, 1804, to the 1st of June, 1805. Ordered.—The American Colonies Wool Exportation bill was read a second time, and ordered to be printed, and committed on Friday next.—The Poor Clergy bill passed through a committee, reported, ordered to be engrossed, and read a third time on Tuesday next. The Woollen Manufacturers' Penalty Suspension bill, passed through a committee; to be reported on Tuesday.—A bill was ordered pursuant to the resolution of the committee on the southern whale fishery act.—Mr, Sturges Bourne, pursuant to notice, moved for and obtained leave to bring in a bill to authorise the lords commissioners of the treasury to permit certain articles to be warehoused in certain ports, upon security being given for payment of the duty.—The Coasting Trade Regulation bill, and the Land-tax Commissioners' bill were reported.—The Bark Stealing Prevention bill was read a third time and passed.—Mr. Rix from the excise office presented an account of the number of barrels of herrings cured in the Isle of Man annually. Ordered to lie on the table.—Leave was given to bring in a bill pursuant to the report of a committee, for laying a duty of 3 ½d. per lb. on all cochineal not imported by the East-India Company.—Mr. Meheux from the board of controul presented an account of the number of soldiers discharged from the East-India Company's service that had returned to Europe from the year 1788 to 1794; also of the number of recruits sent out to India during the same period. Ordered to lie on the table.—Mr
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[COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—HIS MAJESTY'S MESSAGE, &c.]—The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved the order of the day for a committee of the whole house to consider of the supply to be granted to his majesty. His majesty's message, the estimates for the British museum, the Westminster court-house, the accounts of exchequer bills, the estimates of the board of first fruits, and the usual annual parliamentary grants for offices in Ireland, were referred to the committee. The house having resolved itself into the committee, and his majesty's mes sage being read from the chair,
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Fox
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Fox
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Lord
Henry Petty
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Mr.
Bankes
Mr.
W. Smith
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Mr.
Long
Mr.
W. Smith
Mr.
Bankes
Mr.
Windham
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The house then, on the motion of the chancellor of the exchequer, resolved itself into a committee of the whole house to consider of the ways and means for raising a supply, in which a resolution was agreed to for appropriating towards the supply 14,500,000l. arising, or to arise, from acts of the 43d, 44th, and 45th years of his majesty, for granting certain duties during the present war, after deducting what had been applied for the service of the last year.—Also resolutions were voted for raising eight millions, two millions five hundred thousand pounds, and one million five hundred thousand pounds, by loans on exchequer bills. The house being resumed, the report was ordered to be received on Monday, on which day the house agreed to go into a further committee of ways and means.
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.] The chancellor of the exchequer moved the order of the day for the further consideration of the report on the subject of the claims of the duke of Atholl for compensation for the loss of the revenues, regalities, &c. of the Isle of Man.—The house having accordingly resolved itself into a committee of the whole house,
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Mr.
Curwen
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Mr.
Creevey
Mr.
Sheridan
After some further conversation, in which Mr. Windham and Mr. Wilberforce opposed the duke of Atholl's claims, and Mr. Rose and lord Glenbervie supported them, sir William Young moved an amendment, to grant a compensation to the duke of Atholl annually, out of the consolidated fund, equivalent to one-fourth of the gross revenues of the island. This was acceded to by the chancellor of the exchequer. A conversation of some length ensued between Mr. William Smith, lord de Blaquiere, and several other members. At length the house divided, for the amendment 79, against it 26, majority 53.—The house was resumed, and the report ordered to be received on Monday.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Saturday, June 22.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.] The house met by special adjournment at one o'clock, and soon after their lordships resolved into a committee, for the farther consideration of the case of Mr. Justice Fox. The remaining witnesses upon the charge under consideration being examined, Mr. Romilly, in a speech of considerable length, summed up and commented upon the effect of the evidence; at the conclusion of which the counsel were ordered to withdraw. The house then resumed, and
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Lord
Hawkesbury
[THELLUSSON'S APPEAL.]—
Lord Mulgrave
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The Earl of
Westmorland
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The
Lord Chancellor
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Lord
Mulgrave
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The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Hawkesbury
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, June 24.
[MINUTES.] The Military Commissioners' Mistake bill, the Loyalty Loan bill, and the Fish Bounty bill, passed through committees, and were reported. Some other bills on the table were forwarded in their respective stages; after which the house adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, June 24.
[MINUTES.] The Land Tax Redemption bill was read a third time and passed.—On the motion of Mr. Wellesley Pole, several accounts were ordered to be laid before the house of the number of officers, non-commisioned officers, and privates in the royal artillery, royal artificers, &c. stating the total number of those corps in Great Britain and Ireland on the 1st of June, 1805.—Lord
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[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]
Mr. Leycester,
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, June 25.
[THELLUSSON'S APPEAL.]—The order being read for the attendance of the judges for the purpose of delivering their opinions respecting this long pending appeal, the same was read at considerable length by the lord chief baron; the result of this was in favour of affirming the decree of the court of chancery.
The
Lord Chancellor
[ARREST OF MR. JUSTICE JOHNSON.]—The Duke of Cumberland presented a petition from Mr. Justice Johnson. The petition, after setting forth the leading circumstances of his case, stated in substance, that the petitioner was put to very considerable expense in defending himself in a cause now depending in his majesty's court of King's Bench. That he was informed that a bill (the Felons' Escape) was in that house, which contained several clauses, which if passed,
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[COLONIAL INTERCOURSE WITH AMERICA.]—Lord
Holland
Earl
Camden
Lord
Holland
The
Duke of Montrose
Lord
Holland
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The
Duke of Montrose
The Marquis of
Buckingham
Lord
Hawkesbury
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]—The order of the day for considering the petition of Mr. Justice Fox being read,
Lord
Hawkesbury
The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Hawkesbury
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, June 25.
[MINUTES.]—A message from the lords informed the house that they had agreed to the Land-Tax Commissoners' bill the Loyalty Loan, the Barrack Master General's bill, the London Fish Bounty bill, and the General Turnpike-road bill, the latter with amendments, to which they desired the concurrence of the house. Their lordships also requested a copy of the report of select committee on the tenth report of the naval commissioners. The messengers were informed that the house would send a message to their lordships' request by messengers of their own.—The house resolved itself into a committee on Weston's Divorce bill; and heard counsel and evidence in proof of the adulterous intercourse.—The house then proceed to ballot for a committee to examine the secret matter contained in the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry.—Mr. Whitbread moved for several accounts of balances in the hands of the receiver-general of the post-office, and of the stamp-office, from the year to the 1793, to the 5th of April last, together with the names of the persons in whose hands the balances were.—A message on the motion of Mr. Sturgess Bourne, was sent to the lords, that their house would send their lordships a copy of the report of the select committee on the tenth naval report.—Mr. Whitbread adverted to the royal commission issued for the adoption of improvements in the affairs of the navy, and wished to know, from the right hon. gent. opposite, whether any alteration had taken place in that commission, in consequence of the promotion of the person whose presidency was considered as the surest pledge of its efficacy, sir C. Middleton, now lord Barham. The chancellor of the exchequer said a few words in answer, in a very low tone. The import as well as we could collect it, was, that lord Barham was still at the head of that commission.—Sir W. Burroughs brought up the report of the committee appointed to inspect the ballot for a committee to examine the application of the 10,000l. mentioned in the eleventh report of naval enquiry as applied to se-
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[NAVAL ADMINISTRATION OF EARL ST. VINCENT.]—Admiral
Markham
Mr.
Jeffery
Admiral
Markham
Mr.
Jeffery
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Jeffery
[PAPERS RELATING TO THE NABOB OF OUDE.]—Mr.
James Paull
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Lord
Castlereagh
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Sir
W. Burroughs
Mr.
Windham
Mr.
Wellesley Pole
Mr.
Paull
[WAR IN INDIA.]—Mr.
Francis
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Lord
Castlereagh
[STATE OF THE ARMY.]—Colonel
Craufurd
Th
Secretary at war
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—Mr.
Bond
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Mr.
Leycester
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Sir
Robert Buxton
Mr.
Bond
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Mr.
Leycester
Mr.
Bond
The
Solicitor-General
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Mr.
Bankes
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The
Speaker
Mr.
Bankes
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Mr.
Leycester
Mr.
Bankes
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Lord
Henry Petty
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Sir
William Burroughs
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Mr.
Charles Wynne
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Mr.
R. Williams
Mr.
Windham
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Whitbread
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Lenov
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Attorney-General
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Fox
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Mr.
Hiley Addington
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Robert Dundas
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Mr.
Ker
The house then divided on the motion for proceeding to the other orders of the day:
Ayes
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Noes
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Majority for the impeachment
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The question for the impeachment was then carried without a division. After which it was ordered, That Mr. Whitbread do go to the lord's and at their bar, in the name of the house of commons, and of all the commons of the United Kingdom of Great-Britain and Ireland, impeach Henry lord viscount Melville of high crimes and misdemeanours; and acquaint them, that this house will, in due time, exhibit particular articles against him, and make good the same."—At two o'clock on Wednesday morning the house adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, June, 26.
[MINUTES.]—The Land Tax Redemption bill was read a second time, and committed for to-Morrow.—Moore's Divorce bill was read a third time and passed.—Mr. Alexander brought up the Irish Civil List bill, and some other bills, which were read a first time.—Mr. Pitt's Indemnity bill passed through the committee, and was reported.—Sir W. Scott brought up the Poor Clergy bill, which was read a first time.—Gardner's Divorce bill passed through a committee, and was reported.—The house resolved itself into a committee on the Stipendiary Curates' bill. A conversation of some length ensued between the bishop of St. Asaph, the lord chancellor, the archbishop of Canterberry, the bishop of London, and lord Harrowby, relative to various clauses and amendments; after which the bill passed through the committee, and the report was ordered to bo received to-morrow.
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—A message being announced from the house
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, June 26.
[MINUTES.]—The secretary at war presented an account of the effective strength of the regular army on the 1st of June, 1805. Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.—M. W. Dickenson presented certain accounts relative to naval stores in the dock-yards, pursuant to the order of the house. Ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.—Mr. Rose brought up the report of the Thames Cartage and Ballastage bill. The amendments were agreed to, and the bill ordered to be read a third time.—A message from the lords informed the house, that their lordships had agreed to the Seamen's Encouragement bill, and the Bark Stealing Prevention bill, without any amendments.—Mr. Johnson, from the office of chief secretary for Ireland, presented an account of the manner in which the sum of 500,000l. granted by the parliament of Ireland to the directors general of inland navi-
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[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]— Mr.
Whitbread
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[WOOLLEN MANUFACTURER;S BILL.]—Admiral
Berkeley
Mr. P.
Moore
Mr.
P. Moore
Mr.
Wilberforce
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, June 27.
[MINUTES.]—The lord chancellor, the duke Montrose, and lord Walsingham, sat as commissioners, and notified the royal assent to several public and private bills. Among the public bills were, the Irish Stamp Duty bill, the Irish Malt Duty Bill, the Irish Spirit Licence bill, the London Fish Market bill, the Army Paymaster's Regulation bill, the West-India Free Port bill, the Irish Election bill. &c.—The Clothiers' bill, and the bill for regulating the corn trade between Great-Britain and Ireland, were brought from the commons and read a first time.—Mr. Pitt's Indemnity bill was read a third time and passed.
[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]—Lord
Hawkesbury
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[GARDNER'S DIVORCE BILL.]—The
Lord Chancellor
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The Bishop of
St. Asaph
[OFFENDER'S ESCAPE BILL.]—Their lordships having resolved into a committee on this bill,
The petition of Mr. Justice Johnson, presented and read last night, against certain clauses of the bill, which went as stated to affect his case in the nature of an ex post facto law, and praying, as in the concluding terms of the petition, "that his case might not be affected by a law which was not in existence at the time of the alleged offence," was read.—Mr. Adam and Mr. Parke were then heard, the former at considerable length, in support of Mr. Justice Johnson's petition. Mr. Adam went into a history of the former act to amend which the bill before the committee was intended; also the case of his learned client, from the time of its first being brought under the consideration of the Irish courts of law, to the present moment of its pending in the Court of King's Bench in England. He dwelt upon the consideration Of the bill in its present shape, going to affect the learned judge's case in the form of an ex post facto law; adverted to the point, that the act
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The Earl of
Westmeath,
The
Lord Chancellor
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, June 27.
[MINUTES]—Mr. Serjeant Best gave notice that he should postpone his motion on the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry which stood for Monday, to Thursday.—Mr. Giles brought up the report of the committee on the Bank Forgery bill. The amendments were agreed to, and the bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.—The Leith Harbour bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.—Lord Glenbervie reported from the committee of secresy, to whom so much of the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry, as relates to the advance of one hundred thousand pounds for a secret naval service, was referred; and who were empowered to report their opinion and observations thereupon to the house; that the committee had considered the matter to them referred, and had come to a resolution thereupon, which they had directed him to report to the house; and he read the report in his place, and afterwards delivered it in at the table, where the same was read;
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[DUKE OF ATHOL'S CLAIM]—The chancellor of the exchequer moved the second reading of the duke of Atholl's Compensation bill, which was opposed by
Mr.
Curwen,
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Mr.
Fuller
Mr.
Davies Giddy
Mr.
Windham
[SMUGGLING PREVENTION BILL.]—On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill, counsel was called in on behalf of the petitioners against the bill. Mr. Plomer appeared as counsel for the petitioners against it, from the islands of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, and the Isle of Man; and represented their use at considerable length. He went into the various charters, and tenures, by which the islands of Jersey and Guernsey were held by the crown of England, and maintained, that the parliament of England were not entitled to legislate internally for those islands, which had always internal regulations of their own. He dwelt very particularly on the rights of the island of Guernsey; and maintained, that this island having, as well as Jersey, been under the dominion of the dukes of Normandy, before the conquest of England, by William I. and being the only part of the original possessions of that conqueror, now under the British crown, they had as good, if not a better right, originally to legislate for Great Britain then, than Great Britain had to legislate for them. He then stated the length of time in which those islands had been in possession of this commerce, without which, they would, in fact, have no trade at all, and be deprived of their subsistence. Neither would it be ultimately beneficial to the revenue; for, thought the provisions of the bill would rain those islands for ever, yet the eventual effect would be, that, at the return
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Windham
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Grey
Fellowes
Mr.
Sturges Bourne
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, June 28.
[MINUTES.]—Pursuant to the order of the day, their lordships resolved into a committee of privileges, and lord Walsingham having taken the chair, the solicitor general was heard at considerable length, in support of the evidence adduced by the duke of Rutland, and on behalf of his title to the above barony, towards his conclusion. He said he trusted he had made out to the satisfaction of their lordships, all those propositions that proved the noble duke to be entitled to the barony; that he had always held the barony by tenure, being possessed of the territory by which it was constituted; that a barony, so held, could not descend to the heirs general, except accompanied by the territory; and that he held it impossible that the noble petitioner, lady Henry Fitzgerald, could support her claim. The chairman was then ordered to leave the chair. The farther consideration of the case was postponed, and the house resumed.—The bills upon the table were forwarded in their several stages, and several bills brought up from the commons, were read a first time.—The lord chancellor having proposed the recommitment of the Stipendiary Curates' bill, their lordships accordingly resolved into a committee on the same. Some further alterations and amendments were made, principally on the suggestion of the lord chancellor, and in the course of some discussion on the different points between his lordship and the bishop of St. Asaph; after which the house resumed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow.—The Irish Civil List bill, and the Poor Clergy Relief bill, severally went through committees of the whole house, and were ordered to be reported.—The second reading of the Irish Revenue Regulation bill was, on the motion of lord Hawkesbury, postponed for three months. The principal reason assigned by the noble secretary of state was, that commissioners being appointed to enquire regularly into the subject, affected by the bill, it would be desirable to have the report of those commissioners before parliament previous to the passing such a bill as that in question.
[WOOLLEN MANUFACTURES' PETITION.]—A petition was presented from certain persons, whose names were thereunto subscribed,
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The Duke of
Montrose,
Lord
Holland
Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Holland
The Lord
Chancellor
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[CONDUCT OF JUDGE FOX.]—Their lordships resolved into a committee on the bill for continuing the proceedings in the case of Mr. Justice Fox, in the next session of parliament. Some amendments were proposed by the earl of Radnor, the principal one of which was in the preamble of the bill, and adverted to the acts, with reference to which the house had proceeded in the case. To this no objection seemed to be urged; but the noble earl having, in the first instance, in his amendment, called their lordships "the house of peers," the phrase was objected to, as not the most proper, particularly by
Earl
Stanhope,
Lord
Hawkesbury
The
Lord Chancellor
[TRUST, MONIES.]—Earl
Stanhope
The
Lord Chancellor
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HOUSE OF COMMONS
Friday, June 28.
[MINUTES.]—Mr. Dickinson, jun. Presented to the house, pursuant to their orders, copies of the reports which have been made to the navy board by the officers of the dock yards, on examining the Stetin timber, which was used on his majesty's ships some years since by way of experiment to ascertain its durability; and also, an account of sums paid for repairs of the ships therein-mentioned, shewing to whom such sums were paid, and the years in which paid, together with the price which each of the ships would have cost if built by contract at the respective periods; and also, an account shewing the price of timber in the king's yards on the 18th of February 1801, and the advances which have been since made thereon—the advantages given by the alteration in the mode of measurement and qualifications are shewn in money; and also, an account of the prices given for oak timber in a rough state, delivered at his majesty's dock yards; and also, an account of the qualifications and prices of sided timber. Together with a schedule of the said papers: and the said schedule was read. Ordered, that the said papers do lie upon the table.—Mr. Sturges Bourne brought up the report of the committees on the act relative to the duties on foreign crown and plate glass. Leave was given to bring in a bill for laying an additional duty of 2s. 6d. a foot on every foot, superficial measure, of all foreign rough plate glass, and ground or polished plate or crown glass imported into Great Britain; and also an additional duty of customs of one shilling on every foot superficial measure, of German sheet glass imported into Great Britain.—Mr. Sturges Bourne reported from the committee of the whole house, to whom it was referred to consider of so much of an act, made in the 43d year of his present majesty, as charges a duty on hops, the resolution which the committee had directed him to report to the house; which he read in his place, and afterwards delivered in
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641
[PETITION OF MR. TODD JONES]—Mr.
Fox
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Mr.
Fox
Mr.
Sheridan
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Mr.
Vansittart
[NABOB OF OUDE.]—Mr.
Paull
Mr.
Wellesley Pole
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Mr
Paull
Lord
Castlereagh
[AFFAIRS OF INDIA.]—Mr.
Francis
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Lord
Castlereagh
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[SMUGGLING PREVENTION BILL.]—The order of the day being read for resuming the debate on the smuggling prevention bill, so far as concerned the islands of Guernsey and Jersey,
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Grey
Mr.
Sturges Bourne
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Mr.
Windham
Dr.
Laurence
The
Attorney General
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[CASE OF COLONEL COCHRANE JOHNSTONE.] General
Fitzpatrick.
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State of the Army
Colonel Craufurd
rose to make his promised motion, and spoke as follows:—Sir,
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Many
all
all
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his
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designs,
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proportionately
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one,
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home
abroad;
efficient military
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will
not
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abroad
abroad,
home.
out
home,
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other
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in such a case,
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temporary
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very few
in
out
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671
daily pay
one
daily pay
cloathing,
paid
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regular
regular
British
alone
British
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British
permanent
permanent,
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naval
equal.
military
proportionably;
actually
positively
present
future,
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immediate
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in,
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disposeable
home
home
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ordinary
extraordinary
influence,
persuading
mean
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effective
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one
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thing
civil
general
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exclusive
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nal
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in consequence of the expiration of their term,
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for life
for life,
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soldiers
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fully
rank
employed
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first
Lord Castlereagh
observed, that the hon. col. in the outset of his speech, seemed very sanguine that he should he able to convince the house of the expediency of appointing a committee on the subject of his resolutions; and then stated, as the first remedy which he should propose in the committee, for the evils of which he complained, the undoing of that which parliament had been doing for the last two years, having himself but little to offer in substitution, and being willing to defer the introduction of that little till next session! He rather thought that on these grounds the hon. col. would be disappointed in his expectations. Did he imagine that his right. hon. friend (the chancellor of the exchequer) was ready to go into a committee at all times because there was one period in which he deemed it expedient to do so? the hon. col. should recollect, that the same. proposition had been agitated in an early part of the present session, end that neither his right hon. friend, nor the house, at that time, deemed it expedient to go into such a committee, and he did not believe that what the hon. col. had this evening urged, would
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Mr. Fuller
wished to ask hon. gentlemen what they were afraid of, with 600,000 armed men at their back? He could not conceive how gentlemen could talk in such a manner. He had seen the right hon. the chancellor of the exchequer's corps, the Cinque Ports, and he bore testimony to their spirit and discipline. He had assured general Johnston he would take an opportunity of mentioning it to parliament; these were, most of them, laborious men, and went through manoeuvres, for a whole day, as well as any troops, and walked upwards of 18 miles home at night. He would ask then,
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Sir fames Pulteney
entered into a comparison of the merits of the enlistment for life and the enlistment for limited service. The latter had been tried in thee American war, and had failed. It was again on trial in the additional defence bill, which was said by the hon. colonel to have failed too, and yet he wished the house to go into a committee for the purpose of submitting a plan, which at the same time he asserted had just been unsuccessful. The fact was, there was no disposition in those people who determined to become soldiers, to prefer enlisting for a limited time to enlisting for life; no good effect was produced by holding out that boon, but the inconveniences attending it were numerous. To the system of inlisting men for limited service in the army of reserve, he had been a warm friend, and he contended that there was no better mode of recruiting the regular army, than first to permit men to enter in that manner for limited service. Of that army which originally consisted of 40,000 only 17,000 remained; the others had enlisted into the regular army.
General Norton
explained some of the military details, defended the conduct of government, and particularly contended that no unnecessary expences had been incurred by them in the prosecution of their plans. He did not see any necessity for going into a committee on any of the points suggested by the honourable mover.
Sir William Erskine,
said, that he had laid his mind to the subject of devising what might be the best mode for recruiting the army from the first moment he went into it. The result of all his deliberation was, that no efficacious means could he devised in which force was not in some shape employed. He should be sorry to dwell on the dark side of the subject. But he had not yet seen any country which was not obliged, sooner or
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Mr Wortley Stuart
wished to know why because a man in his private capacity was a pastry cook, he was incompetent in his military character to command officers of inferior rank? How was it to be avoided? where there were a number of men, there must he subordination in rank. He saw no reason for jealousy in the regular army at the manner in which volunteer officers were promoted to rank, nor did he see how that system could be avoided. He should not be ashamed to take the command of a company of volunteers any more than of the best regulars in the service, so well did they conduct themselves in general.
Mr. Windham
could not conceive how it was possible for any man to figure to himself that men could be procured for life with equal ease as they might be had for a limited number of years. In the one view it must be obvious to the person enlisting that he had an option; in the other, that he had none. It would be always in his power to change his service for a limited number of years, to a more extended service; but he could not,
vice versa,
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The Secretary at War
assured the house that he would not long detain them from the question which they seemed so anxious to come to, but he was sure they would feel it was the bounden duty of his; situation not to stiffer a misrepresented statement of our real disposable force to pass unanswered, and to impose upon the he use and the country, and
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Colonel Craufurd
made a short reply.—He disclaimed any idea of saving any thing against the volunteers themselves, but contended that government had placed them in an absurd situation. The system by which they were managed was in his opinion ridiculous. As to the gentleman of whom he had already spoken as illustrating the principle by volunteer officers had rank over those who had seen the service of 25 or 30, or perhaps 40 years, and which must have an unfavourable effect in the minds of such officers, he had no towards that gentleman; he believed he was a very good character; he had a better education than pastry-cooks might be expected to have in general. No doubt he was a fit person to know how soups might be well made, but he had no hesitation in saying that he should feel his pride hurt in being told that such a person, however respectable in private life, was to command him in a military character. There was a great deal of difference of opinion between him and the noble lord on the subject of our military to stern, and that he took to he a very good reason for going into a committee for the purpose of seeing who was right.—The motion was then put, and negatived without a division.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Saturday, June 29.
[MINUTES.] The Irish Loyalists Commissioners bill, the Expiring Laws bill, the Wollen Manufactures', and the Corn Export Regulation bills, severally passed through committees of the whole house, lord Walsingham in the chair, without amendments; and the reports were afterwards received.—The report of the Stipendiary Curates bill being taken into consideration, the lord Chancellor proposed an additional clause, for the better regulating the provisions respecting the parsonage and residence houses, which was agreed to by the house. The bill so amended, was then ordered to be read a third time on Monday.—The Poor Clergy Provision bill was read a third time and passsed.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Saturday, June 29.
[MINUTES] Dennis Bowes Daly, esq
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, July 1.
[Minutes.] The bills upon the table were forwarded in their respective stages. Among these, the Irish Loyalists Commissioner's, the Irish Assessed Taxes bill, and the bill for continuing the Proceedings of the house of lords in the case of Mr. Justice Fox in the next session of parliament, were severally read a third time and passed.— The Exchequer Bills bill, the Forgery Laws Extension, the Warehousing, the Smuggling Prevention, the Cochineal bill, the Isle of Man Smuggling bill, and several private bills, were brought from the Commons, and respectively read a first time.— The earl of Suffolk, in allusion to a bill which he conceived was before the house, which he understood appropriated large salaries to Prize Agents, and allowed great emoluments to certain other persons, observed, that in many instances, the naval forces were treated with great partiality, with respect to captures, to the p
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[Stipendiary Curates Bill.]—The order for the third reading of this bill being read,
The Earl of
Suffolk
Lord
Holland,
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Lord
Harrowby
Lords
Holland and Harrowby
The Bishop of
St. Asapb
The Duke of
Norfolk
The Bishop of London spoke in explanation,
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The Earl of
Suffolk
Lord
Harrowby
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, July 1.
[Minutes.] The committee on the Irish Revenue Regulation bill, the further consideration of the Report of the Irish Customs Regulation bill, the consideration of the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Distillers' bill, and the further consideration of the Report of the Dublin Paving bill, were, on the motion of Mr. Vansittart, put off to tomorrow.—The Irish Spanish Red Wine Duty bill passed through a Committee, to be reported to-morrow. —Lingham's Divorce bill was committed, Mr. Parke was heard on the part of Mr. Lingham. Several witnesses were examined touching the circumstance of the case, and the service of the notice of the bill on Mrs. Dixon, Mrs. Lingham's mother. The bill then passed through the Committee, to be reported to-morrow.— The third reading of the Distillers bill was put off to to-morrow.— The house went into a Committee on the Parliamentary Bankrupts Privilege bill; to be reported to-morrow.— Mr. Whitbread moved "that a Committee be appointed to examine the Lords' Journals respecting the Reports of the Commissioners of Public Accounts, and their proceedings thereon, and that the Committee appointed to draw up articles of Impeachment against
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[Naval Administration Of Earl St. Vincent.] — Sir
A.S. Hamond
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Admiral
Markham
Sir
A. S. Hamond
Mr.
Kinnaird
The
chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Jeffery rose,
Admiral
Markham
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Sir
A. S. Hamond,
Mr.
Jeffery
Mr.
Tierney
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ex parte
Mr.
Jeffery
Mr.
Kinnaird
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The
Speaker
Mr.
Jeffery,
Mr.
Wilberforce
Sir
W. Elford
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]— Mr
Wilberforce
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Windham
713
Mr.
Sheridan
714
715
Mr.
Curwen
Earl
Temple
Mr.
Barham
Sir
William Elford
Mr. Bakes
716
Mr.
W. Smith
Mr.
Graham
Sir
W. Burroughs
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, July 2.
[Minutes.] The royal assent was given by commission to the Irish Civil List bill, the Land Tax Redemption Consolidation bill, the Woollen Clothiers' Penalty Suspension bill, the Coasting Trade Regulation bill, Mr. Pitt's Indemnity bill, and five private The commissioners were the lord Chancellor, lord Walsingham, and lord Ellen-borough. Mr. Alexander brought up the Howth Harbour bill, the Militia Officers' bill, and some private bills; which were read a first time, and the University Advowson bill returned, agreed to.—The 8,000,000l. the 2,500,000l. and the 1,500,000l. Exchequer Bills bills, the Isle of Man, and the Custom-house Fee bills, were read a second time and committed for to-morrow.—Mr. Adam was heard as Counsel on behalf of the Petitioners against the St. Pancras Poor bill, and Mr. Plomer for the bill; after which the question was put for the third reading. The earl of Suffolk, the bishop of St. Asaph, and lord Holland opposed the bill being read a third time, wishing for its re-commitment. The bill was supported by the earl of Westmorland and the duke of Montrose. The house divided on the motion that the words "now read a third time" stand part of the question. Contents 17; not contents 5; majority 12. The bill was then read a third time and passed.—Earl Stanhope moved the commitment of the Trust Monies Security bill. The lord Chancellor approved of the principle of the bill, but wished it to be postponed till next session, in order to give time for the thorough consideration of the subject. Earl Stanhope persisted in his mo-
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, July 2.
[Minutes.] On the motion of Mr.Wigram, a new writ was ordered for the borough of New Ross, in Ireland, in the room of Charles Tottenham, esq. who had accepted the office of Escheater of Munster. In pursuance of a message from their lordships, the Speaker attended in the house of lords, and on his return informed the commons that he had heard the royal assent given by commission to the Irish Civil List bill, the Land Tax Redemption bill, the Irish Import and Export Regulation bill, the Coasting Seamens' bill, the Woollen Manufacturers' Penalty Suspension bill, and the Poor Clergy bill. Mr. Alexander brought up the Report of the Committee on the Townleian Collection bill; the amendments were agreed to, and the bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. A message from the lords acquainted the house, that their lordships had agreed to the Stipendiary Curates' bill, with several amendments, to which they desired the concurrence of the house.—Mr. Rose presented some accounts relative to ships under quarantine, and obtained leave to bring in a bill to indemnify such persons from the penalties they had incurred by infringing the Quarantine Acts.—Lord Brooke presented a petition from Mr. Greville, an American settler at Milford Haven, against the Southern Whale Fishery bill; which, after a few words from Mr. Rose, was ordered to lie on the table.—On the motion of the Attorney-General, the Lords' Amendments to the Offenders' bill were taken into consideration, and agreed to. The house, on the motion of Mr. Rose, went into the further consideration of the Report of the Committee on the Irish Infirmary bill; when the amendments were agreed to, others were introduced, and the bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. On the motion of Mr. Rose, the house took into consideration the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Distillery bill, the Irish Paper Duty bill, and the Irish Hearth Money bill; when these amendments being found inadmissible consistently with the privileges of the commons, the further consi-
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719
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—
Mr. Whitbread
Sir
William Elford
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Mr.
Whitbread
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]—On the order of the day for the third reading of the Athol Compensation bill,
Mr.
Creevey
Earl
Temple
Colonel
Stanley
Mr.
S
Mr.
Calcraft
Mr.
Wilberforce
Lord
De Blaquiere
Mr.
Fobustone
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, July 3.
[MINUTES.]—The Duke of Atholl's Annuity bill was brought from the commons by colonel Stanley; the Leith Harbour bill by Mr. R. S. Dundas; and the Bankrupts' Privilege bill, by Mr. se
[CORN BILL]—On the occasion of the second reading of the Corn bill;
The Earl of Suffolk
alluding to the Paddington Canal bill expected from the commons, said the present system of the corn market was a very bad one, and tended to support monopolies. The corn exchange, or market, was by no means large enough; there were but few places for the exhibition of samples; and these being in the hands of a few individuals, a great opportunity for monopoly was evidently afforded. He would therefore recommend the erection of a large and more commodious corn exchange in room of the present one, and also the establishment of another corn market, in the vicinage of Paddington. The same observations would nearly apply to the supply of the metropolis with coals, and to the present coal exchange; towards ameliorating which he should propose to the house, early in the next session, some propositions, the general object of which he had just stated.
[SMUGGLING PREVENTION BILL.]The order of the day being moved for the second reading of the Smuggling Prevention bill:
Lord Holland
called the attention of the house to the petition he had presented on a former evening from the inhabitants of the islands of Guernsey and Jersey, praying to be heard by their counsel against certain provisions of the bill. It was his intention to move, that the petitioners should be heard by their council.
Lord Hawkesbury
said, that the objections of the parties were stated rather as against certain provisions of the bill, than to its principle. The committee was of course the fittest stage for the hearing of counsel, and to that he had no objection.—The bill being read a second time, and committed for to-morrow,
Lord Holland
moved that the petitioners
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[CUSTOM HOUSE FEES REGULATION BILL.]—On the question for going into a committee on the Custom-house Fees Regulation bill;
The Duke of Norfolk
censured the procrastination which delayed the bringing forward a bill of such importance, and disapproved of its being attempted to be passed through that house as a matter of course, as the bill went not only to affect those who held their places during pleasure, but the emoluments of those who held patent places; a description of tenure, which was always held as sacred as any other kind of property. Many of those persons were even ignorant of such a bill being before parliament; he should therefore propose, that the progress of the bill be postponed for a little time, until the parties alluded to should be aware of what was going forward.
The Earl of Westmoreland
observed, that he should not on his part object to postponing the committee till to-morrow.
The Duke of Norfolk
thought this too short a postponement, in reference to what he had stated. It was at length agreed to postpone the committee on the bill in question till Friday.
[DUKE OF ATHOL'S CLAIM.]—
The Earl of Westmoreland
moved, that a message be sent to the commons, requesting they would furnish their lordships with a copy of the evidence upon which they had passed the bill for indemnifying John duke of Athol, &c. for his claims on the revenues of the Isle of Man.
The Marquis of Buckingham
was well aware that the present moment was not the usual time to make any observations upon the bill, as it had only just been ordered to be printed; but he rose merely to observe, that he and many noble lords now absent, might not think themselves justified with the evidence that might be brought from the house of commons, and therefore he wished now to enter his caveat against any objection that might hereafter be made against the production of other grounds of evidence; and against any idea that the evidence taken before the commons, and being admitted by their lordships, should preclude any noble lord from moving for whatever documents he might deem necessary to throw light upon a measure that had been hastily taken up at the close of the session, and which to him appeared of considerable importance, whether it concerned an individual or the public.
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The Earl of Westmoreland
never intended, by making the present motion, to preclude any noble lord from calling for whatever additional information he might judge necessary to elucidate the nature of the question.
The Lord Chancellor
observed, that there was nothing unusual or extraordinary in the motion; it only requested the evidence taken before the house of commons, as a part at least of the grounds upon which that house might proceed; but it never could be conceived of a nature to preclude any further evidence which any individual of that house might be inclined to move for. For his part, he knew nothing of the matter at present, but when it came to be decided upon, he should form his judgment from the whole of the evidence then before the house.
The Marquis of Buckingham
shortly explained, and said, he wished to put in the claim he had alluded to, not only on his own part, but on those of some other noble lords then absent, who might wish to deliver their sentiments upon the measure—The question was then put, and the message ordered to be sent to the commons.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, July 3.
[MINUTES.]—Mr. Calcraft
presented a petition from the noblemen, gentleman, and freeholders of the county of Kent, on the subject of the Tenth Report of the Commissioners of Naval Enquiry. Ordered to lie on the table.—The Dublin Paving Bill, the Spanish Red Wine Duty bill, the Pilchard Fishery Bounty bill, the Townleian Collection, the Straw plat and Hats duty bill, the Camberwell Water Works' Bill, the Irish Infirmary bill, the Thames Tunnel bill, and Judge Fox's Proceedings bill, were severally read a third time and passed.—The Chelsea Bay bill, the Irish Military Survey bill, the Irish Loan Amendment bill, the Sugar Drawback bill, the Glass Duty bill, and the Linen Duty bill, passed each through a committee; to be reported to-morrow.—The committee on the Irish Paper Duty bill, the Irish Fire Hearth bill, the Irish Distillery bill, were read a second time; to be committed to-morrow.—Mr. Hawthorn brought up the Report of the Padington Canal bill; to be read a third time to-morrow.—Mr. Bankes brought up the Report of the Committee on the Petition of the Trustees of the British Museum, relative to Grant of Public Money for the erection
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[NAVAL ADMINISTRATION OF EARL ST. VINCENT.]—
Admiral Markham
in consequence of the discussion that had taken place on Monday, and the explanation that an hon. member (Mr. Jeffery) had given of the tendency of the motion which it was his intention to bring forward next session, on the subject of the administration of the navy, felt it his duty to move for a number of papers, which, in order to save the time of the house, he should omit enumerating, leaving them to be severally put from the chair. The first was, "that there be laid before the house copies of all directions issued by the admiralty to the navy board, respecting the repairs of his majesty's ships, from the 1st of October,1801, to March, 1803;" the second, "copies of all directions from the admiralty to the navy board, on the subject of working shipwrights, from the 1st of October, 1801, to April, 1803;" the third, "copies of all directions from the admiralty to the navy board, on the subject of working shipwrights, from 1783 to 1786." These papers were ordered, and several others, without any comment. But on the question, that there be laid before the house an account of the expence of building and
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Mr. W. Dickinson rose
not for the purpose of objecting to the motion, but to show to the house of commons the difficulty of procuring such information as that called for by the motion of the hon. admiral. For this purpose he should take the liberty of reading an extract of a letter from the navy board to the secretary of the admiralty, on the subject of some accounts on a former night moved for by the hon. admiral. The letter stated, that every effort had been made to comply with the orders of the house; that some of the accounts were prepared; others would in a few days be ready; but that a part of the accounts could not be made out in many months; though the several clerks were employed in preparing them during extra hours. These accounts were those moved for by the hon. admiral, respecting the amount of the original contracts, and of the annual expence of repairs of certain of his majesty's ships. He stated this not with a view to put any impediment in the way of the production of the papers moved for, but to prove to the house the difficulty of complying with such orders, and the expence that would accrue to the public therefrom.
Admiral Markham
replied, that the accounts on which the hon. gent. had commented, related to the original price, and the amount of expence of annual repairs of his majesty's ships, which accounts were already in the navy office, in a book called the Doomsday book. This book was now at the navy office. When he was a member of the board of admiralty, they had the book at that board. In this book were entered the original price, and the subsequent amount of repairs of each vessel. If the navy board were so lax in keeping their accounts, they were very reprehensible, and the more so, because quarterly accounts were transmitted from each of the dock yards, respecting the whole expence of repairs, and for timber therein. He stated what he knew to be the fact, and if the navy board on receiving these quarterly statements neglected to carry them on to account, they must have been very inattentive to their duty.
Mr. Jeffery
by no means objected to the production of this or any other paper which the hon. admiral might think proper to move for. He should say, however, that of all the papers which the hon. admiral had yet moved for, only two or three were relevant to the charge which he meant to bring forward. The letter which his hon. friend had just read, was a proof to the house
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The Speaker
here called the hon. gent. to order, as entering into a discussion not immediately arising out of the question before the house
Mr. Jeffery
wished only to explain the extent to which his motion might go, in compliance with what he understood to be the desire of the gentlemen opposite. He was anxious that it should not be understood that his motion was to be confined to the heads he had stated on a former day.
Mr. Tierney
Was so well aware of the consequence of putting any question to the hon. member, that he was not disposed to trouble the house any more on that head. He had found that questions would not lead to any direct answer, though they produced harsh language on the part of that hon. gentleman. The hon. member, no doubt, however undecided he might be at present, might during the summer make up his mind as to the course he should take, or regulate his future conduct, according to the suggestions of any person who might recommend to him any system of harsh proceedings. Without meaning any offence to the hon. gentleman. (Mr. Jeffery), he thought he could more safely rely on the authority of his hon. friend (Admiral Markham), as to the relevancy of the papers for which he moved; and, therefore should not reply to the hon. gentleman's observations on that head. He could not, however, but advert to the insinuations thrown out by his hon. friend opposite (Mr, Dickinson), as to the difficulty of making out the accounts; and he appealed to the house, whether, when a grave charge was brought against lord St. Vincent, such
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Mr. Jeffery
here called the hon. member to order. He had himself been stopped when proceeding to state the extent to which his motion might go, which he was doing in compliance with the desire of the hon. gent. opposite, as being out of order, and he could not conceive it orderly for the right hon. gent. to discuss the merits of the case, as he appeared willing to do. The hon. gent. here fell into the same line of observation as before, when
The Speaker
reminded the hon. member, that by such observations he was not defending the order of the proceedings. The conversation was irregular, but it was the hon. member himself who had first been disorderly.
Mr. Tierney
said, he was only proceeding to state the grounds upon which the papers were moved for, as he understood the difficulty of making out the accounts to have been urged as a species of objection to the motion. The view of his hon. friend in moving for them was to shew, by a comparative statement, whether or not lord St. Vin-
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The Secretary at War
here rose to order. The papers were not refused, and he saw no use in the right hon. gentleman's proceeding with his observations, which must lead to discussion.
Mr. Tierney
was happy that the right hon. gent. was not disposed to resist the production of the papers with the weight of his great influence. But though that right hon. gent. felt no objection, he should recollect that another gentleman (Mr. Dickinson) high in office as himself, and entitled to as much consideration, had stated the difficulty of preparing the accounts as an objection to the production.
Mr. Jeffery
again to order, saw no necessity for continuing the discussion, as no disposition was shewn to refuse the papers moved for.
The Speaker
What shall or shall not be refused, will be decided by the vote of the house.
Admiral Markham
hoped it would not be disorderly in him to assure the house, that all the papers he had moved for were necessary to the motion.—The several motions of the hon. admiral were then successively agreed to.
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]
Mr. Whitbread
moved the second reading of, Trotter's Indemnity bill.
Mr. Alexander
desired to know, whether it was intended by the bill to grant indemnity to these from all the consequences of the confessions they might be forced to make?
Mr. Whitbread
replied, that the bill was not to force any confessions, but merely to protect the parties giving testimony from any criminal prosecutions, and not from civil actions.
Mr. Alexander
gave notice of his intention to state his sentiments respecting the bill to-morrow, on the question 'that the Speaker do leave the chair,' previous to going into the committee.
Mr. Whitbread
trusted the hon. gent. would not object to the bill being committed this day, as it was material that it should pass without any delay. The hon. member would have an opportunity of stating his sentiments on the third reading.—The bill was then read a second time, passed through the committee, was reported, and ordered to be read a third time to morrow.
[CONDUCT OF SIR HOME POPHAM.]
Sir William Burroughs
gave notice, that on Monday next he should move certain resolutions, founded on the report of the commit-
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[SOUTHERN WHALE FISHERY BILL.]
Mr. Rose
moved the order of the day for taking into further consideration the report on the Southern Whale Fishery bill; which being read, he said there was a clause proposed to be added, to which he understood there were many weighty objections, as it related to the revenue, and was of the utmost importance. In consequence of the absence of his right hon. friend, the chancellor of the exchequer, he proposed, therefore, to postpone the further consideration till tomorrow.
Mr. Barham
objected to this delay. He said, he had asked the right hon. gent. who spoke last, when this business was to be peremptorily brought on, and he told him today. Many gentlemen had therefore come down at very considerable inconvenience in order to attend it, and there was at present a fuller attendance than could be expected again during the session. He had come on purpose himself, and it would be very inconvenient to him to attend to-morrow. He hoped, therefore, the house would proceed.
Mr. S. Bourne
said, that in addition to the reasons given by his right hon. friend (Mr. Rose,) there was one he thought would weigh with the house. As this was a subject which very materially concerned the revenue, the absence of his right hon. friend the chancellor of the exchequer would, he hoped, induce the house to agree to postpone it till to-morrow.
Mr. Calcraft
said, the subject had been very fully argued in former stages of the bill, and he saw no reason why the chancellor of the exchequer should necessarily be present now; however, if the right hon. gent. was ill, he would not oppose the delay.
Mr. William Smith
said, he should be sorry to press a question under Such circumstances; but he saw no reason why the right hon. gentleman's presence was necessary.
Sir. Charles Price
thought the bill of the highest importance, and that it was only a
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Lord H. Petty
expressed himself decidedly against delay.
Mr. Huskisson
assured the house that the cause which prevented the chancellor of the exchequer from attending the day before yesterday still existed, and that was indisposition.
Mr. Giles
said, the only question was, whether five ships, belonging to foreigners, should be received without paying alien duties, and it was ridiculous to suppose the house could not determine such a point without the presence of the chancellor of the exchequer.
Mr. Rose
said, they had lately heard talk of jobs in that house; this clause would, he believed, turn out a job to deprive the revenue of a 21,000l. and upwards, and it would give a preference to foreign ships, built at less expence, victualled at less expence, and subject to no insurance, over those of our own country.
Sir W. Curtis
thought the bill of the highest importance, and that it should be postponed in order to have the benefit of the great talents of the right hon. gent. now absent.
Mr. Windham
said, that so near as they were to the close of the session, a full attendance was a most desirable thing, in all matters of importance. As he did not think there would be a fuller attendance than the present, if there was no other objection than the absence of the chancellor of the exchequer, he saw no reason for deferring it.
Mr. Alexander
said a few words in favour, of postponement; when the question being called for; a division took place. Ayes, 38; noes, 29; majority, 9. The further consideration was of course postponed till to-morrow.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday,July 4.
[MINUTES.] The bills upon the table were forwarded in their several sages.—Among these, the Forgery Law Extension bill, the Warehousing bill, and the British and Irish Corn Importation bill, were read a third time and passed.—The Howth Harbour bill, the Militia Officers' Remuneration, the Palace Yard Improvement bill, and the Corn Act Amendment bill, severally passed through committees of the whole house, and were ordered to be reported.—On the occasion of the report of the Palace Yard Improvement bill, the earl of Suffolk took oc-
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Hawkesbury
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Carysfort
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, July 4.
[MINUTES.]—Counsel and evidence were heard on Moore's and Gardner's Divorce bills, by which the marriages and adultery were proved, as also the Judgments obtained in the Court of King's Bench; but no order was made upon them.—A message from the lords announced that they had agreed to the three Exchequer Bills bill, the Isle of Man bill, and several private bills.—The Irish Revenue Regulation bill was reported,
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[STIPENDIARY CURATES' BILL.]—The Attorney-General moved, that the Lords Amendments to the Stipendiary Curates' bill be now taken into consideration; which being agreed to, when the Speaker came to that which altered the quantum of money, he reminded them that it was of such a nature that the house could not, consistently with its peculiar privileges, concur in.—On the motion of the Attorney-General, the further consideration of the bill was therefore postponed to this day three months. He then said, that as the session was so near its close, and as his motion might be productive of some discussion, he should defer bringing it forward till early in the next session.
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—Mr.
Whitbread
pro forma,
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The following is a copy of the said Articles of Impeachment.
REPORT FROM A COMMITTEE APPOINTED TO DRAW UP ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HENRY LORD VISCOUNT MELVILLE.
The Committee appointed to draw up Articles of Impeachment againt Henry Lord Viscount Melville, have, pursuant to the Order of the House, prepared several Articles accordingly: which Articles are as follow, viz.
Articles exhibited by the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, in Parliament assembled, in the name of themselves and of all the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, against Henry Lord Viscount Melville, in maintenance of their Impeachment against him for High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Whereas the office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy is an office of high trust and confidence; in the faithful and uncorrupt execution whereof, the subjects of this kingdom are most deeply interested: And whereas the ancient constitution of the said office of Treasurer of the Navy, and of other offices concerned in the receipt, disbursement, and controul of the Public Money, having been found to be highly inexpedient in con-
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And whereas, for the more effectually carrying into execution the said Resolutions of the House of Commons, His Majesty, by warrant under His Royal Sign Manual, bearing date the 22d day of June, 1782, was most graciously pleased to augment the income of the Right Honourable Isaac Barrè, as Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, and to add thereto the sum of 2,150l. that the said income might in future amount to 4,000l. which His Majesty was then graciously pleased to grant to the said Isaac Barré, clear of all deductions, in full satisfaction of all wages and fees and other profits and emoluments theretofore enjoyed by former Treasurers of His Majesty's Navy: And whereas by Letters Patent bearing date the 19th day of August, 1782, His Majesty was graciously pleased to give and grant unto the Right Honourable Henry Dundas, now Lord Viscount Melville, the Office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy Royal and Ships, and Receiver General of all sums of money appointed, or from time to time to be appointed, and payable for the support, maintenance, and reparation of His Majesty's Navy Royal and Ships; for emptions and provisions appertaining to, and necessary for the said navy and ships, and for wages, salaries of officers, servants, and other persons whatever, belonging to the said Navy or Ships, or any other matter or thing whatsoever in any manner touching or concerning the Navy Royal or Ships; and for the exercise and occupation of the said Office, and for and in satisfaction of all wages and fees of three pence,of lawful money for every pound to be received and paid by the said Henry Dundas, by virtue of his said office, His Majesty was further graciously pleased to give and grant unto him by the said Letters Patent, an annuity or yearly payment of 2,200l.
And whereas the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville represented, or caused to be represented, or it was represented to His Majesty, that the said annuity or yearly payment of 2,000l. after deducting all charges, taxes, and expences thereon, would not produce to him the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville
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And whereas by Letters Patent, bearing date the 5th day of January, 1784, His Majesty was graciously pleased again to give and grant unto the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, in the same terms as in the said former Letters Patent of the 19th day of August, 1782; and upon a similar representation made or caused to be made by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, or otherwise made to His Majesty as that hereinbefore stated, His Majesty Was graciously pleased, by warrant under His Royal Sign Manual, bearing date the 16th day of January, 1784, to augment the income of the said office of Treasurer of the Navy with an additional allowance of 2,324l. 6s. 6d. in order to make the annual income of the said office
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And whereas the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, under and by virtue of the said last-mentioned Letters Patent, held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, from the said 5th day of Jan. 1784, until the 31st day of May,1800:
And whereas on the 17th day of February, 1785, the House of Commons ordered that leave should be given to bring in a bill for better regulating the office of the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, and that (together with other Members of the said House of Commons) Mr. Henry Dundas, now Lord Viscount Melville, should prepare and bring in the same; and, in pursuance of the said order, the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, on the 29th clay of April, 1785, did present to the House of Commons a Bill for better regulating the office of the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy; and the said Bill having passed the House of Commons, was, in pursuance of an order of that House carried by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville to the House of Lords; to which Bill he (in the name of the House of Commons) desired the concurrence of their Lordships:
And whereas the said Bill, in the 25th year of His Majesty's reign passed into a law, intituled "An Act for better regulating the office of the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy;"—The 1st, 3d, 4th and 5th Sections whereof are as follows:
1st Section, "Whereas it appears by the Reports made by the Commissioners appointed to examine, take, and state the public accounts of the kingdom, that regulations are necessary for better conducting the business in the department of the Treasurer of the Navy: Be it therefore enacted by the King's Most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, that from and after the first day of July 1785, the Treasurer of his Majesty's Navy for the time being, in all Memorials to be by him presented to the Treasury for Money for Navy Services, shall
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3d Section.—"And be it further enacted, that from and after the 1st day of July, 1785, no money for the service of the Navy shall be issued from His Majesty's Exchequer to the Treasurer of the Navy, or shall be placed or directed to be placed in his hands or possession; but the same shall be issued and directed to be paid to the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, and to
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4th. Section.—"And be it enacted, that the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy for the time being, by himself, or the person or persons in his office duly authorized by the said Treasurer, from and after the first day of July, 1785, shall draw upon the Governor and Company of the Bank of England for all Navy services whatever, and shall specify in each and every draft the head of service for which the same is drawn; and no draft, of the said Treasurer, or the person or persons authorized as aforesaid, shall be deemed a sufficient voucher to the said Governor and Company of the Bank of England, unless the same specifies the head of service for which it is drawn, and has been actually paid by the said Governor and Company of the Bank of England."
5th Section.—"Provided always, that the monies to be issued unto the Governor and. Company of the Bank of England, on account of the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, shall not be paid out of the Bank unless for Navy Services, and in pursuance of drafts to be drawn on the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, and signed by the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy for the time being, or the person or persons authorized as aforesaid; in which drafts shall be specified the heads of service to which the sums therein mentioned are to be applied; and which drafts so drawn shall be sufficient authority to the Bank to pay such money to the persons mentioned in such drafts, or to the bearer of them."
And whereas the provisions contained in the said last-mentioned Act of Parliament, were thereby directed to take place on the 1st day of July, 1785: But the execution of the said Act, with respect to the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, opening an account or accounts with the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, as thereby directed, was postponed by him until the 13th Day of January, 1786, when the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville opened an account with the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, intituled, Right Hon. Henry Dundas, Act of Parliament New Account;" and which said account was continued by him until he quitted the said office on the 31st of May, 1800, and was the only account kept by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melvilleas Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy with the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, under and in pursuance of the said Act of Parliament for regulating his said office.
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And whereas on the 10th day of January, 1786, whilst the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, he did constitute and appoint Alexander Trotter his Paymaster; and the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville did, on the said 10th day of January 1786, duly authorize and empower the said Alexander Trotter to draw on the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, for and upon the account of him the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, all and every sum or sums of money that then were or should thereafter be wanted for the Public Services, under the care of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, the said Alexander Trotter being particularly careful to specify in each and every draft the service for which the money should be drawn.
And whereas it was the duty of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, during all the time he held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, to abstain from applying himself, and to prevent all persons acting under him from applying, any part of the money issued from His Majesty's Exchequer for Navy Services to any purposes of advantage or interest to himself or themselves, either directly or indirectly, or to any other purposes than for Naval Services, and from deriving any profit or emolument therefrom: and from and after the passing of the said act of parliament of the 25th year of His Majesty's reign, for better regulating the office of the Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, it was the duty of the said Lord Viscount Melville to observe and pursue the provisions and directions of the said act of parliament; yet the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, not satisfied with the ample revenue so provided for him as aforesaid, nor regarding the duty of his high and important office, or the express provisions of the said act of parliament, did, whilst he so held and enjoyed the said office, act and conduct himself fraudulently, corruptly, and illegally, in the several instances herein set forth.
FIRST ARTICLE.—That the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, whilst he held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, and previous to the said 10th day of January 1786, did take and receive from and out of the money imprested to him as Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, from His Majesty's Exchequer, the sum of 10,000l. or some other large sum or sums of money, and did fraudulently and illegally convert and apply the same to his own use,
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SECOND ARTICLE.—That the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, disregarding the duties of his said office, and in breach and violation of the said act of parliament for better regulating the same, did, after the passing of the said act, and whilst the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville continued to hold and enjoy the said office, connive at, and permit and suffer the said Alexander Trotter, under and by virtue of the said authority so given to him by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, illegally to draw, receive, and take from the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, for other purposes than for immediate application to Navy Services, large sums of money from and out of the monies before then issued unto the said Governor and Company of the Bank of England, on account of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, as Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy: and the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville did connive at, and permit and suffer the said Alexander Trotter to place the said last-mentioned sums of money, or a great part thereof, so illegally drawn, received, and taken by him from the Governor and Company of the Bank of England as aforesaid, in the hands of Messrs. Thomas Coutts and Company, the private bankers of the said Alexander Trotter, in his own name, and subject to his sole controul and disposition: all which conduct of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville was contrary to the duty of his said office, a breach of the high trust reposed in him, and a violation of the laws and statutes of the realm.
THIRD ARTICLE.—That after the passing
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That the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville did, after the said 10th day of January 1786, fraudulently and illegally permit and fuffer the said Alexander Trotter to place many of the said sums of money so drawn, received, and taken by him from the Governor and Company of the Bank of England as aforesaid, in the hands of Messrs. Thomas Coutts and Company, the private bankers of the said Alexander Trotter, in his own name and at his own disposal: and the said Alexander Trotter did thereupon, with the privity, by the connivance, and with the permission of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, apply and use the said last-mentioned sums of money, or great part thereof, for purposes of private advantage or interest, profit and emolument; and did place the said sums of money, or a great part thereof, in the hands of the said Messrs. Coutts and Company, mixed with and undistinguished from the proper monies of the said Alexander Trotter, whereby the said last-mentioned sums of money were not only applied to and used for purposes of private advantage or interest, profit and emolument, and for purposes other than Navy Services, but were also exposed to great risk of loss, and were withdrawn from the controul and disposition of
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FOURTH ARTICLE.—That after the said 10th day of January 1786, and whilst the said. Henry Lord Viscount Melville held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, be the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville did fraudulently and illegally, for the purpose of advantage or interest to himself, or for acquiring or obtaining profit or emolument therefrom, or for some other corrupt and illegal purposes, and for purposes other than Navy services, take and receive from the Public money placed in his name at the Bank of England, as Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy, the sum of 10,000l. or some other large sum or sums of money, and did fraudulently and illegally convert and apply the same to his own use, or to some other corrupt and illegal purposes:
That during the time the said Alexander Trotter held and enjoyed the said office of Paymaster to the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, and whilst the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy as aforesaid, he the said Alexander Trotter kept with the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville an account current, entered in certain books of account, containing entries of all the sums paid and received by the said Alexander Trotter on the account of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, and by agreement between the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville and the said Alexander Trotter, bearing date the 18th and 23d days of February 1803, it is stated that they had either mutually delivered up to each other, or resolved and agreed mutually to cancel or destroy, all the vouchers or other memorandums and writings that at any time theretofore might have existed, passed, or been interchanged between them relative to the said accounts, and the different items and articles of which the said accounts were composed or consisted: and the said books of account containing the said account current, together with all vouchers or other memorandums and
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FIFTH ARTICLE.—That after the said 10th day of January, 1786, and whilst the said Alexander Trotter so continued the Paymaster of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, and with such privity, connivance, and permission as aforesaid, so applied and used the said sums of money, or great part thereof, for purposes of private advantage, profit, and emolument, as aforesaid, the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville fraudulently concealing the illegal use and application of the same, did procure, obtain, and receive from the said Alexander Trotter, advances of several large sums of money, which were made to him the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville by the said Alexander Trotter, in part from money so as aforesaid illegally drawn by him the said Alexander Trotter from the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, and in part from sums of money so placed by the said Alexander Trotter in the hands of the said Messrs. Coutts and Company as aforesaid, when mixed with and undistinguished from the proper monies of the said Alexander Trotter: and for the purpose of more effectually concealing the said advances of money, the said books of account, vouchers, memorandums, and writings, were so as aforesaid burnt and destroyed.
SIXTH ARTICLE.—That amongst other Advances of money so as aforesaid obtained and received by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, from the said Alexander
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SEVENTH ARTICLE.—That amongst other advances of money so as aforesaid obtained and received by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville from the sad Alexander Trotter, the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville did obtain and receive a sum of 22,000l. or some other large sum or sums of money advanced to him by the said Alexander Trotter, and for which it has been alledged by the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, that he was to pay interest: and for the purpose of more effectually concealing the said last-mentioned advances of money, the said books of accounts, vouchers, memorandums, and writings, were so as aforesaid burnt and destroyed.
EIGHTH ARTICLE.—That during all or great part of the time the said Alexander Trotter held and enjoyed the said office of Paymaster to the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, and the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville held and enjoyed the said office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy as aforesaid, he the said Alexander Trotter did gratuitously, and without salary or other pecuniary compensation, act in and transact the private business of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, as his agent, and was from time to time in advance for the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville in that respect to the amount of from 10,000l. to 20,000l. or to some other great amount: and which advances were taken from the said
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And the said Alexander Trotter did so gratuitously, and without salary, act in and transact the private business of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, and make him such advances of money as aforesaid, in consideration of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville conniving at and permitting and suffering the said Alexander Trotter so as aforesaid to apply and make use of the said sums of Public Money so drawn by him from the Bank of England, and applied and appropriated for purposes of private advantage, or interest, profit and emolument as aforesaid: and the said Alexander Trotter would not have been, and was well known to the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville not to have been able to make such advances of money to the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, otherwise than from and by means of the said sums of Public Money so drawn by the said Alexander Trotter from the Bank of England, with the privity, connivance, and permission of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville as aforesaid, and applied by the said Alexander Trotter for purposes of private advantage, interest, profit, and emolument. All which proceedings and conduct of the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville were contrary to the duty of his said office, in breach of the great trust reposed in him, and in gross violation of the laws and statutes of this realm, And by all and every one of the aforesaid acts done and committed by him the said Henry Lord Viscount Melville, he was and is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—0n the third reading of the bill to indemnify all persons for the evidence they may give on the Impeachment of lord Melville,
Mr.
Whitbread
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Sir
W. Elford
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Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Rose
Mr.
S. Bourne
Mr. Serjeant
Best
Mr. S.
Bourne
Mr.
Robert Dunaas
Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Alexander
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
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Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Charles Wynne
Sir
William Burroughs
[FINANCIAL PROPOSITIONS.] Mr.
Johnstone
That the total amount of the public funded debt of Great Britain was, on the 1st February 1803. 567,008,978l.;—of which 67,255,915l. had been purchased by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt, and 19,180,587l. had been transferred to them on account of land tax redeemed; leaving a funded debt unredeemed of 480,572,476:—and, that the amount of annuities charged on Great Britain (after deducting what have fallen in) was, on the
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That the total amount of public funded debt created in Great Britain for account of Ireland was, on the 1st February 1803, 22,348,000l.;—of which there had been purchased by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt 1,123 415l.; leaving a funded debt unredeemed of 21,224,585l. together with long annuities to the amount of 9,791l.
That the total amount of public funded debt created in Great Britain for account of the emperor of Germany was, on the 1st February 1803, 7,502,633l.;—of which 375,137l. had been purchased by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt; leaving a funded debt unredeemed of 7,127,496l. together with annuities to the amount of 230,000l. which will expire in 1819.
That the amount of the outstanding demands unprovided for on the 5th January 1803, exclusive of unfunded debt, and of the anticipation of certain duties annually voted, was, 592,630l.: that the deficiency of ways and means for the year 1802 was, 171,431l.;—making the amount of demands unprovided for on the 5th January 1803, 764,061l.
That the unfunded debt in exchequer bills unprovided for, or charged upon funds which proved insufficient, was, on the 5th Jan. 1803, 9 827,400l. including 3,000,000l. in the bank, which bear no interest, in consideration of the renewal of the charter.—That the unfunded debt in navy bills was, on the 5th January, 1803, 3,105,648l.
That the total amount of the public funded debt of Great Britain was, on the 1st February 1805, 603,925,792l.;—of which 89,003,759l. had been purchased by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt, and 21,794,307l. had been transferred to them on account of land tax redeemed,leaving a funded debt unredeemed of 493,128,726l. And that the amount of annuities charged on Great Britain (after deducting what have fallen in) was, on the 1st Feb. in short annuities and for lives, 509,353l. and in long annuities 1,047,494l. And that a further debt, amounting to 34,400,000l. capital stock, has been created by the sums borrowed in the present session of parliament, and 1,660,529l. by 5 per cent. annuities, created in 1797, subscribed into other funds.
That the total amount of the public funded debt, created in Great Britain lot account of Ireland, was, on the 1st of Feb.
756
l
That the total amount of public funded debt created in Great Britain, for account of the emperor of Germany, was, on the 1st February 1805, 7,502,633l.;—of which 550,228l. had been purchased by the commissioners for the reduction of the national debt, leaving a funded debt of 6,952,405l. together with annuities to the amount of 230,000l. which will expire in 1819.
That the amount of outstanding demands unprovided for on the 5th January 1805, exclusive of unfunded debt, and of the anticipation of certain duties annually voted, was 1,817,863l.: that the surplus of ways and means for the year 1804, was 1,192,115l.; reducing the amount of demands unprovided for on the 5th January 1805, to 625,748l.;—the whole of which has been paid off or provided for in the present session.
That on the 5th January 1805, there were 3,375,488l. in exchequer bills, charged upon the aids of 1804, to the discharge of which the aids of 1804 were insufficient; 12,000,000l. charged on the aids of 1805; and 3,000,000l. payable in 1806, which are with the bank, and bear no interest in consideration of the renewal of the charter; making a total of exchequer bills unprovided for, of 18,375,488l.;—of which sum 3,375,488l. has been paid off or provided for in the present session.—That the unfunded debt in navy bills was, on the 5th January 1805, 5,001,567l.
That the variations in the state of the public debt between the 5th January 1803 and the 5th January 1806, being three years of war, may be estimated as follow:
The public funded debt of Great Britain unredeemed, which on the 1st Feb. 1803 was 480,572,476l. will amount to 516,689,255l. after deducting 12,500,000l. for the operation of the sinking fund during the current year; being an increase of capital stock of
£. 36,116,779.
The public funded debt created in Great Britain for account of Ireland unredeemed, which, on the 1st Feb. 1803 was 21,224,585l. will amount to 35,562,901l. after deducting 750,000l. for the operation
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of the sinking fund during the current year; being an increase of capital stock of
£.14,338,316.
The long annuities of Great Britain, which, on the 1st February 1803, were 1,015,410l. will amount to 1,047,494
l
33,084.
The long annuities created in Great Britain for account of Ireland, which, on the 1st February 1803, were 9,791
l
l
81,416.
The unfunded debt in exchequer bills, which, on the 1st February 1803, was 9,827,400
l
l
5,172,600.
The unfunded debt in navy bills, which, on the 1st Feb. 1803, was 3,105,648
l
l
1,895,919.
The funded debt created in Great Britain for account of the emperor of Germany unredeemed,which, on the 1st. Feb. 1803, was 7,127,496
l
l
275,091.
The short annuities of Great Britain, which, on the 1st February, were 539,979
l
l
53,880.
The outstanding demands unprovided for, which, on the 1st February 1803, were 764,061
l
l
138,313.
The sum applicable to the redemption of debt,—which, on the 1st Feb. 1803 was, for the debt of Great Britain, 5,834,986
l
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l
l
l
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l
That the annual charge
on account of the public funded debt of Great Britain, after deducting the interest and the charges of management on stock transferred to the commissioners for the re-
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the 1st Feb. 1803
£.23,510 967;
1st Feb. 1804
24,110,475;
1st Feb. 1805
24,928,336:—
And that a further charge has been incurred on account of the sums borrowed in the present session, and by 5l. per cent. annuities subscribed into other funds, a-mounting to-1,430,901.
That the sum annually applicable to the reduction of the national debt of Great Britain, in pursuance of the several acts relating thereto, was, on the 1st February 1803, 5,834,986l.; being about 1/82
nd
th
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nd
That the net produce of the permanent taxes, existing on the 5th Jan. 1803, was 28,246,681
l
l
l
l
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l
That the net produce of the war taxes was, in the year ending 5th of April
1804,
£
Customs and Excise
3,377,442
Property Tax
363,877
3,741,319
April 1805,Customs and Excise
7,868,078
Property Tax
3,919,108
11,787,186
That the official value of all imports into Great Britain, in the year ending the 5th January 1803, was 31,442,318
l
l
That the official value of all imports into Great Britain, in the year ending the 5th January 1805, supposing the imports from the East Indies (of which no account has yet been made up) to be the same as in the preceding year, was 30,342,047
l
l
That the official value of British manufactures, exported from Great Britain in the year ending 5th January 1803, was 26,993,129
l
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l
That the official value of British manufactures exported from Great Britain in the year ending the 5th of January 1805, was 23,934,291
l
l
And that the real value of British manufactures, exported in the year ending 5th of Jan. 1803, may be estimated at 48,500,683
l
l
That the official value of foreign merchandize exported from Great Britain in the year ending the 5th January 1803, after deducting the excess arising from the valuation of coffee, was 14,418,837
l
l
That the official value of foreign merchandize exported from Great Britain in the year ending, the 5th January 1803, after deducting the excess arising from the valuation of coffee, was 10,515,574
l
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That in the year ending 5th January 1803, the number of British vessels entered inwards in Great Britain, was 13,622
l
That in the year ending the 5th Jan. 1803, the number of foreign vessels entered inwards in Great Britain, was 3,733; their tonnage 480,241; and the number of men employed in them 27,737:—and that the number of foreign vessels cleared outwards was 3,352; their tonnage 461,823; and the number of men employed in them 26,749.
That in the year ending the 5th Jan. 1805, the number of British ships entered inwards in Great Britain, was 10,508; their tonnage 1,395,387; and the number of men employed to navigate them 82,970:—That the number of British ships cleared outwards, was 11,131; their tonnage 1,463,286; and the number of men employed to navigate them 93,748.
That in the year ending 5th January 1805, the number of foreign ships entered inwards in Great Britain, was 4,271; their tonnage 607,299; and the number of men employed in them 30,744:—That the number of foreign ships cleared outwards, was 4,093; their tonnage 587,849; and the number of men employed in them 30,507.
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That the number of British ships built and registered in the several ports of the British empire, in the year
Ending
Number.
Tonnage.
5 Jan. 1803, was
1,231
137,508;
5 Jan. 1804
1,402
135,349;
5 Jan. 1805
940
92,091.
That the total sum to be raised in Great Britain, within the year 1805, may be estimated as follows:
Interest on public funded debt, charges of management, sinking fund, on the 5th Feb. 1805
24,928,336
Interest, charges of management, &c. to be paid between the 5th February 1805 and 5th January 1806, on stock created by loans of the present session to the amount of 34,400,000l. and on increase of stock by repayment of loyalty
1,430,901
Interest on exchequer bills, the amount issued and bearing interest exceeding 20,000,000
l
1,000,000
Civil government of Scotland, pensions on revenue, militia and deserters warrants, bounties for promoting fisheries, &c. estimated to be the same as in the year ending the 5th Jan. 1805
930,336
Charges of collecting and management of the revenue, estimated to be the same as in the year ending 5th Jan. 1805
2,135,176
Proportion to be defrayed by Great Britain, of the civil list and other charges on the consolidated fund of Great Britain (the charges on the consolidated fund of Ireland, which is likewise a joint charge, being included in the supplies) 15/17
ths
l
1,206,045
Supplies voted in 1805 for Great Brit. exclusively
£
Supplies voted in 1805 for Great Britain and Ireland
Navy
£.14,645,630
Army
18,580,124
Ordnance
4,846,994
Miscellaneous
1,619,781
Foreign Subs.
3,500,000
£.43,192,529
Deduct the proportion of charge to be borne by Ireland, 2/17
ths
5,081,474
38,111,055
42,645,055
Interest for loans to the Emp. of Germany
497,528
Making in the whole the sum of
£.74,773,377
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There has also been borrowed in Great Britain, for the service of Ireland, 4,000,000l.; and 5,246,506
l
That the funds applicable to discharge the sum required to be provided by Great Britain for the year 1805, may be estimated as follow:
The gross receipt of the permanent revenue, hereditary revenue, Imperial monies repaid, (after deducting the re-payment of over entries, drawbacks, &c.) estimated to produce the same as on an average of three years, ending 5th January 1805
34,065,512
Estimated produce to the 5th January 1806, of the permanent taxes imposed in the present session
1,200,000
Malt and personal estates
2,750,000
Lottery, after deducting the proportion of Ireland
300,000
War taxes, estimated to produce to the 5th April 1806
14,500,000
Surplus of ways and means for the year 1804
1,192,115
Loan
20,000,000
£.74,007,627.
There has likewise been a loan of 4,000,000
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, July 5.
[MINUTES.] Counsel was heard at considerable length relative to the Scots' Appeal, James Campbell and others,
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[CASE OF COLONEL COCHRANE JOHN STONE.] The Earl of
Suffolk
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[DUKE OF ATHOLLS CLAIM.—The
Lord Chancellor
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The Duke of
Norfolk
The Duke of
Montrose
Lord
Holland
Lord
Hawkesbury
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sub silentio
The
Lord Chancellor
The Marquis of
Buckingham
The
Lord Chancellor
The Earl of
Radner
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, July 5.
[MINUTES.] Mr. Dennis from the Commissioners of Excise, presented accounts of balances remaining in the hands of the Receiver General of Excise, at various periods from the 5th of Jan. 1793, to 5th April last inclusive. Ordered to be printed.—Mr. Staveley from the Post-office, presented an account of balances in the hands of the Receiver General of the Post-office, which was ordered to be printed.—On the motion of Mr. Vansittart, the Committee on the Irish Revenue Jurisdiction bill, and the further consideration of the report of the Committee on the Irish Port Day bill, were postponed to this day three months.—Mr. Ormsby brought up the report of the Committee on
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[TROTTERS INDEMNITY BILL.] Mr.
Whitbread
Sir
William Elford
Lord
Henry Petty
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The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Mr.
Giles
Mr.
Sturges Bourne
Lord
De Blaquiere
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The
Speaker
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Lord
De Blaquiere
Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
Johnstone
[SOUTHERN WHALE FISHERY BILL.] On the order of the day for the third reading of this bill,
Lord
Brooke
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Mr.
Rose
Sir
Charles Price
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Saturday, July 6.
[MINUTES.]—The house resolved into a committee on the Smuggling Prevention bill, lord Walsingham in the chair. Mr. Adam was heard at considerable length, as second counsel, on behalf of the petitioners in the islands of Guernsey and Jersey, against certain clauses in the bill. After the learned counsel had concluded, a short conversation took place between lord Holland and the lord Chancellor, relative to the clauses in question. The former peer thinking the points they involved of so much importance, as to require the attendance of the judges, when the bill should be next taken into consideration, which was proposed to be on Monday. To this proceeding the lord Chancellor objected: at the same time he admitted the importance of the points adverted to, either as they respected executive and legislative power, relative to the islands in question; if, by the law and constitution, of the country, no such right existed, or, on the other hand, the abandonment of the exercise of the right of it did exist; upon these points, he meant then to offer no opinion: future opportunities would arise in the subsequent stages of the bill; as also for the discussion of the clauses objected to. Lord Holland wished the question to be put upon his proposition for the attendance of the judges on Monday, which was accordingly done; it was negatived; but the result was, that the farther consideration of the bill, in a committee, was fixed for Monday.—The bills upon the table were forwarded in their respective stages. Among these, the Irish Revenue Regulation bill, the Irish Assessed Taxes, the Sugar Duties Drawback, the Public Accountants, the Irish Spirits Warehousing, the Irish Linen Duties Drawback, the Plate Glass Duties, were severally read a second time, and ordered to be committed.—The Dublin Paving, Lighting, and Cleansing bill, went through a committee of the whole
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HOUSE OF LORDS.
Monday, July 8.
[DURE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]—The Marquis of
Buckingham
Lord
Ellenborough
The Earl of
Westmorland
Lord
Holland
Lord
Mulgrave
Lord
Holland
The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Westmorland
The Marquis of
Buckingham
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Lord
Hawkesbury
The Earl of
Westmorland
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776
Lord
Ellenborough
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l.
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l.
l.
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liberavi animam meam.
Lord
Harrawby
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The Marquis of Buckingham
protested against the house being called on, at this late period of the session, within the last few days of its continuance, to go into a discussion of so much importance, for which it was morally impossible their lordships could be prepared, considering the large mass of papers they had to wade through, and the large volume of evidence they had to examine, as well as the papers for which he had the honour of moving this day, and which were absolutely necessary for the information of the house, preparatory to the discussion of a subject so important. It was contrary to every principle of propriety and justice, to call upon the house to go into such a discussion, and decide upon a question of so much magnitude, without reading one iota of that mass of documents, or being prepared to refer to any of their contents, from which noble lords, who supported this bill, had so copiously spoken. For the sake of the house of lords, its character, and dignity, he deprecated a proceeding that much cast a stigma on its wisdom. A noble earl (Westmoreland) had said, that those documents were familiar to every noble lord who had been called to his majesty's councils; this, however, was not his case, he had been long anxious for information on this subject, and long awaited it in vain. He had heard this night many imputations of injustice against the government of this country, on the ground of concluding this bargain. He had even heard the word 'robbery' applied to it in the course of debate; but such language he could not pass without reprobation. Noble lords had talked of the sovereigns of the Isle of Man, which he denied them to be; the parliament of this country had frequently legislated for the island, and in the year 1748, it
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The Earl of Carlisle
contended that the bargain was a compulsive one, and that the contracting parties had not started from the same place, and consequently could not have stood on the same grounds. The question was between a mighty empire, and an individual, and it was becoming the legislature to revise and rescind its former if the compensation under it was, as he maintained it was, inadequate for the rights purchased. It had been said that the house had no information before it to warrant the passing of the bill. But had not the other house of parliament made sufficient inquiries on the subject, and sent up the bill to them founded on their examinations, which must have appeared to them fully sufficient to justify it? On these grounds he should vote for the measure.
Lord Sidmouth
said, if he had not considered it material to the reputation and dignity of that house, to have a subject of this nature explained, he should have declined addressing their lordships on this occasion; but feeling, as he did, this necessity, he should desert his duty to the house, and to the community, it he did not state his sentiments, and protest against the claims of the noble duke, as inconsistent with justice to the country at large. The noble lord who spoke last, seemed to consider as a ground for the immediate proceeding of that house, the deliberation with which the enquiry had been conducted in another place. He (lord Sidmouth), had brought with him from that place as much respect as any man could entertain for its wisdom and for its integrity, but he could not admit that, because this perseverance had been employed elsewhere, a motive was supplied for neglect and precipitation here; he should rather have supposed that diligent and laborious investigation in the one place, was a reason for exerting the same unremitting industry in the other. The only way in which noble lords
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The Earl of Suffolk
rose to corroborate what had fallen from the noble viscount, and to give his decided opposition to the bill. If this precedent was set, many others had an equal right to, demand compensation with the noble duke. For his part, he thought he himself had a much better and stronger claim. He had lost his brother, his father and his grandfather in the service of the country, and had nearly lost his own life also. Government had given grants to his family of nearly 60,000 acres of ground in America. All that property was lost by the war in that country, and the whole compensation which his family received as loyalists, was about 200
l.
l.
Lord Mulgrave
said he Could not remain silent after the observations he had heard from some noble lords. He expressed his respect for the opinions already declared by the other house on this subject, and thought the history of the transaction fully justified it. He had no wish to hurt the feelings of any noble lord, but though he was willing to give every credit to the minister, who made the bargain with the house of Atholl. for his desire to save the public money, he must recollect that it was stated that the loss of the public amounted to no less than three hundred and fifty thousand pounds annually from the possession of the royalty of the Isle of Man by the Atholl family. He might, therefore, put it to their lordships, whether there was not a strong claim of justice. He agreed with the noble viscount,in his,desire ,to unite economy-with liberality; but by no means in his application of that rule to the merits of the present case. According to his arguments, there was no ground but fraud on the one side, or fatuity on the other. Such
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Lord Ellenborough
said, that the attack made upon him would have been a just one, had he said any thing to give pain wantonly to any noble lord. But his observations were applied to the measure, and not to any individual whatsoever. He had used those words which struck him as most characteristic of the ideas he really entertained of the measure itself. Considering the lights he had on the subject, the precipitation with which it was endeavoured to pass the bill, and all the other circumstances connected with it, he could not speak of it in any other terms than those which he had used.
The Lord Chancellor
said, that having held the same high office when this subject came before the Privy Council which he now held, a great deal of his attention was necessarily drawn to it at that time. He could see no other reason for farther compensation, except the increase of revenue since the bargain was concluded. If this were admitted, there could be no such thing as a certainty of closing any pecuniary transaction between the public and private persons. He also considered the length of time as sanctioning the compact. He gave his opinion segregated from all connections in that house, on the very same principle that he should act upon on the bench. Looking at the question over and over again, for a term of years, he must say, as a legislator and a judge, that he saw no evidence of the alledged inadequacy of the compensation of 1765 which could possibly lead him to disturb that compact in 1805. His lordship then adverted to the door that this would open to petitions from all those persons whose property the publics found it necessary to purchase. It would be dangerous and extravagant to admit the principle that compensation was to be given for any additional improvement that might be made in property by different management. He confessed that parliament ought certainly to exercise its justice in this case with liberality, but at the same time there did not appear to him to be evidence sufficient to support such a Compensation proposed to be granted at the end of 40 year. The consideration of the time was material in this instance as in many others, because the space that had elapsed was a sort of proof that the bargain originally was right. He had before
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Lord Hawkesbury
said, that it had not happened to him to attend the Privy Council on those occasions when this subject was considered there; but since he came into his present office, he had been led to pay much consideration to the affairs of the Isle of Man. His wish was, to do fair justice to the noble duke and to all parties concerned. He considered the compensation question with his mind perfectly unbiassed. He was ready to agree with his noble friends, that if increase of income were taken as the ground, there would be no knowing where to stop: but let noble lords look at the circumstances of the transaction itself. The noble lord then reviewed the case, and observed, that it was evident that the 70,000
l.
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The Duke of Norfolk
in answer to the remarks respecting the letter, said, that the annuity of 2,000
l.
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—On the second reading of this bill,
The Lord Chancellor
said, that he could not now enter upon the consideration of it, but begged leave to be understood not to be precluded from saying something afterwards respecting it. If their lordships would look at the precedents, they would find that it was one of the most important bills that had came before them for half a century.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Monday, July 8
[MINUTES.]—The paddington Canal bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.—The report of the committee on the petition of Mr. Collier and others, praying for compensation for their trouble on the Middlesex election, was presented, and the resolutions read and agreed to.—A message from the lords acquainted the house, that their lordships had agreed to the Leith Harbour Improvement bill, the bill for regulating the Baking Trade in Dublin, the Corn Regulation bill, the bill for auditing Public Accounts, the Spanish Red Wine bill, the Irish Infirmaries bill, the Straw flat Duty bill, the Dublin Paving bill, and the Pilchard Fishery bill.—Mr. Ormsby moved, that there be laid before the house an estimate of the salaries of the comptrollers of the lottery in Ireland, and also for the commissioners for granting licences in Ireland. Ordered, and afterwards presented by a person from the office of the Chief Secretary in Ireland, and laid on the table.
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[PETITION OF MR. TODD JONES.]—On the motion of Mr. Hawthorne, leave was given that Mr. Wickham should, in consequence of indisposition, be permitted to speak sitting.
Mr Wickham
accordingly addressed the house. The hon. member, adverting to a petition on the table from Mr. Todd Jones, (see p 641) expressed his regret that this petition had not been presented at an earlier period of the session, or that the hon. gent. who presented it had not given him notice of his intention to bring the subject before the house; because, in that case, he would have been enabled to have such a case laid before the house as would have fully vindicated his conduct, and that of the Irish government, with respect to the charge which the statement of the petitioner conveyed. But he was now, from the lateness of the session, placed in this dilemma, that he must either make an imperfect defence for himself and the government with which he had been connected, or bring forward circumstances which it would not be fair towards the character of the petitioner to mention, as he had not the immediate opportunity of replying to them. At the time when a right hon. gent. not then in his place, (Mr. Fitzgerald) gave notice of a motion with regard to the several persons arrested, and in custody in Ireland, under the suspension of the habeas corpus act, he did promise himself that such a motion would have afforded him an opportunity to exculpate the government of Ireland from the several charges which had been loosely thrown out against it. He naturally expected and wished that the motion of the right hon. gent. would have led to inquiry because upon such inquiry he had not the least doubt that the result would have been a full acquittal of the accused; nay more, a conclusive evidence of their title to public praise. After some further prefatory remarks the right hon. gent. proceeded to detail the circumstances connected with the attest and detention of Mr. Jones. For some time after his arrest, which the Irish government was induced to order upon information, the particulars of which he could not, for the reason already stated, with any propriety describe, but which were quite satisfactory to their minds as to the necessity of the measure, Mr. Jones remained in prison without any particular inquiry having been instituted into his case. As soon, however, as the trials, which followed the insurrection of 1803, and which so much occupied the attention of the Irish government, had terminated, an inquiry into the case of Mr. Jones took place, The three allegations in the petition which
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795
Mr. Wilberforce
was about to address the house; when
The Speaker
rose and observed, that there was no question before the house, and therefore the hon. member would excuse him for this interruption. An hon. member had, by permission of the house, been allowed to be heard in exculpation of his own conduct against charges made against the government, of which, for a time, he formed a part; but no other member could, according to the rules of the house, be allowed to speak on the subject, unless he had some motion to ground upon it.
Mr. Wilberforce
said, he had only one observation to make, and that was to congratulate the house upon the circumstance of the right hon. gent. having come forward to make such a statement. The sensibility which the right hon. gent. had manifested upon this occasion, was highly honourable to him, and it must be grateful to the house and the country to perceive that an important public officer was alive to the necessity of replying to a charge so serious as the oppression of a British subject.
796
[CONDUCT OF SIR HOME POPHAM.]—Sir
W. Burroughs
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—Mr.
Whitbread
The Speaker
Who said there was at present no question before the house, and that the hon. gent. would have an opportunity to-morrow of explaining himself more fully.
797
Mr. Whitbread
then moved the order of the day for the further consideration of the articles of impeachment, and suggested various trifling amendments in the preamble. The articles were then read over by the clerk one by one, and severally agreed to by the house without a dissenting voice.—Mr. Whitbread proposed an additional article nearly to the following purpose:—"That, after the said 10th day of September, 1796, when lord Melville was treasurer of the navy, the said Mr. Trotter did, with his lordship's connivance or authority, place large sums of money in the hands of Mr. Mark Sprott, after taking such sums out of the Bank of England for the purpose of private emolument and interest, or for purposes other than naval purposes." The above article was read, agreed to, and added to the others, and the whole ordered to be engrossed.
Mr. Whitbread
then moved, also, that a clause be ordered to be prepared for the purpose of reserving to the house of commons the liberty of exhibiting any other articles against lord Melville that may afterwards occur to them to be necessary, and that the committee already appointed to prepare the impeachment be allowed to prepare the said clause; which was agreed to.—The hon. gent. then brought up the report of the said committee, relative to said saving clause. Their resolution was read, and agreed to, and the clause ordered to be added to the other articles.—Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Tuesday, July 9.
[MINUTES.]—Judgment was given in the important Irish appeal cause, Redington
v.
[CASE OF MR. TODD JONES.]—The Earl of
Suffolk
798
[IMPEACHMENT OF LOLD MELVILLE.]—Mr.
Whitbread,
Lord
Hawkesbury
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—The order for the commitment of this bill being read.
The Lord
Chancellor
799
800
Lord
Holland,
801
Lord
Hawkesbury
noli prosequi,
noli prosequi
Lord
Sidmouth
802
[SMUGGLING PREVENTION BILL.]—Lord
Holland
803
Lord
Hawkesbury
entrepôt
entrepôt
The Duke of
Clarence
804
Lord
Holland
PADDINGTON CANAL COAL BILL.]—The Marquis of
Buckingham
Lord
Harrowby
805
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]—On the motion for going into a committee on the duke of Atholl's Annuity bill,
The Marquis of
Buckingham
The Earl of
Westmoreland
The house having at length resolved itself into a committee on the bill, Mr. Romilly was heard on the part of the Keys, or Representatives of the people of the Isle of Man, as to the interest which they had in the passing of the bill. Counsel having withdrawn,
The Earl of
Westmoreland
The Lord
Chancellor
The Marquis of
Buckingham
806
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Tuesday, July 9.
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—
Mr. Whitbread
Mr.
Whitbread
807
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
808
Earl
Temple
Mr.
C. Wynne
Mr.
Whitbread
Lord
Henry Petty
[CASE OF CAPTAIN WRIGHT.
Windham
809
810
811
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Wednesday, July 10.
[MINUTES.]—Judgment was given in the Appeal Cause Redington against Redington. the decree of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland was reversed as to part of the matter in dispute, and a reference was made with respect to the other part, back to that court.—The royal assent was given, by commission, to sixty-nine public and private bills. The commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the duke of Montrose, and lord Walsingham.—The Consolidated Fund bill, the Plate Glass Duty bill, and the Smuggling bill, were read a third time and passed.—Mr. Whitbread, Mr. Calcraft, Mr. Fuller, Mr. Giddy, and several other members of the house of commons, brought up the bill for continuing the proceedings relative to the impeachment of lord Melville notwithstanding any prorogation of parliament; which was read a first time, and some private billswere returned agreed to.—On the motion for the third reading of the bill to amend the act respecting bankrupts having privilege of parliament, the duke of Norfolk said, he objected neither to the principle nor policy of the bill; but he thought it required some amendment in this instance, that any person who should chuse to sue out a statute of bankruptcy against a member of parliament who never had any transactions in the way of trading, may compel his appearance. This ought to be guarded against as an absurdity, however unlikely it was that the inconvenience should arise. The Lord Chancellor said, the bill only went to this, to enable the court to put in an appearance for a bankrupt, a member of parliament, where a personal summons had been served on him; and this was to supersede the necessity of the
distringas,
812
only,
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—The order of the day, for the third reading of this bill being moved,
The
Lord Chancellor
813
The Duke of
Norfolk
Lord
Hawkesbury
Lord
Sidmouth
814
The
Lord Chancellor
ex post facto
Lord
Sidmouth
The
Lard Chancellor
815
The Earl of
Buckinghamshire
Lord
Minto
The
Lord chancellor
Lord
Mulgrave
The Earl of
Carysfort
816
The
Lord Chancellor
Lord
Sidmouth
817
[DUXE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]—On the question for the third reading of the bill for granting additional compensation to the Atholl family,
The Marquis of
Buckingham
dominium
imperium
dominium
818
The Earl of
Westmoreland
819
l
douceur
douceur
l
The
Lord Chancellor
l
The Earl of
Suffolk
The Earl of
Carlisle
The Duke of
Norfolk
The following Protest against the bill was
820
Dissentient
821
(Signed)
Norfolk
William,
Nugent Buckingham,
Carysfort.
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—The
Lord Chancellor
The Earl of
Carnarvon
The
Lord Chancellor
822
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Wednesday, July 10.
[MINUTES.]—A message from the lords acquainted the house, that their lordships had agreed, without any amendment, to the following bills: The Irish Fire Hearth Duty Regulation bill, the Hop Duty bill, the Irish Paper Duty Regulation bill, the Scotch Assessors' bill, the Irish Customs Regulation bill, the Irish Military Survey bill, the Irish Distillery bill, the Irish Property Exemption bill, the Southern Whale Fishery bill, Quarantine Indemnity bill, the Sugar Drawback bill, the Linen Drawback bill, the Ballast and Lastage bill, the Ipswich Port Duty bill, and to the Thames Tunnel bill with an amendment, to which they desired the concurrence of the house.—Mr. Bulley, from the Exchequer, presented an account of the amount of the produce of the Permanent Taxes, and of the Consolidated Fund; which was ordered to lie on the table.—Mr. Meux; from the EastIndia House, presented two accounts; one, the expence of building the Cornwallis, of 46 guns, at Bombay; the other, the expence of building the Bombay Frigate, of 32 guns. Ordered to lie on the table.—New, Writs were ordered for Wigton, &c. in the room Stewart. esq. who had accepted the Chiltern Hundreds; and for Cockermouth, in the room of J. Graham, esq. who had accepted the stewardship of the Hundred of East Hundred.—Sir A. S. Hamond gave notice, that to-morrow he should Move that there be laid before the house the memorial of the commissioners of the navy, in answer
823
l
l
[CASE OF CAPTAIN WRIGHT.]—Sir
Sidney Smith
[IMPEACHMENT OF LORD MELVILLE.]—Mr.
Whitbread
The
Attorney General
824
Mr.
Whitbread
Mr.
S. Bourne
The
Speaker
825
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Thursday, July 11.
[MINUTES.]—In a committee of privileges, some farther proceedings obtained with respect to the claims to the Zouch peerage; the farther consideration of which was adjourned till the next session.—The bills upon the table, were read a third time and passed. The Impeachment Continuation bill, and the Townleian Collection bill also went through their last stages. The opinion of the Judges was delivered in the appeal from the court of Chancery in Ireland, Roe,
v.
v.
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—The judges, pursuant to the order of the house, being in attendance;
The
Lord Chancellor
826
dictum
Lord
Minto,
The
Lord Chancellor
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Thursday, July 11.
[MINUTES.]—A message from the lords informed the house that their lordships had agreed to the Smuggling Prevention bill, the Privilege bill, the Foreign Plate Glass Duty bill, the British Museum Grant bill, the Duke of Atholl's Compensation bill, and the Consolidated Fund without any amendments; also to the Maidstone Poor bill, the
827
[>KIRK OF SCOTLAND].—Mr.
Kinnaird
828
The
Secretary at War
Mr.
Kinnaird
Mr.
R. Dundas
[TROTTER'S INDEMNITY BILL.]—Mr.
Whitbread
The
Speaker
829
Mr.
Whitbread
Sir
William Elford
Sir.
W. Elford
Sir
W. Elford
Mr.
Whitbread
830
Mr.
Kinnaird
The
Attorney General
Mr.
C. Wynne
Lord
Henry Petty
831
Sir.
W. Elford
[CASE OF CAPTAIN WRIGHT.]—Mr.
Windham,
832
Sir
Sidney Smith
833
834
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
835
[THIRD NAVAL REPORT.]Sir
A. Hamond
The
Speaker
Sir
A. Hamond
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
The
Speaker
Mr.
W. Dickenson
Mr.
Kinnaird
836
Sir
A. Hamond
Mr.
Giles
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Sir
C M. Pole
The
Secretary at War
837
Mr.
Kinnaird
The
Attorney General
Mr.
Johnstone
Mr.
Canning
[FINANCIAL PROPOSITIONS.]—Mr.
Johnstone
The
Chancellor of the Exchequer
HOUSE OF LORDS.
Friday, July 12.
[DUKE OF ATHOLL'S CLAIM.]
Lord Chancellor
838
[KING'S SPEECH.]
Lord Chancellor
The
Lord Chancellor
839
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
We have it in command from his majesty to express the satisfaction with which he has observed the proofs you have given in the present session of your constant regard for the honour of his crown, and the interests of his dominions; and particularly the measures which you have adopted for strengthening his majesty's hands at this important conjuncture, by the augmentation of the disposable military force of the kingdom."
"Gentlemen of the House of Commons,
His majesty has directed us particularly to thank you in his majesty's name, for the zeal and liberality with which you have granted the large supplies which the necessity of the public service has required.
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
His majesty has not yet been enabled to communicate to you the result of the negotiations in which he is engaged with powers on the continent; but you may rest assured that no step will be omitted on his majesty's part, for promoting such a concert as may afford the best prospect of restoring general and permanent tranquillity; or may, if necessary, furnish the means of repelling with vigour the continued encroachments on the part of the French government, which threaten, every day more and more, the liberty and independence of all the nations of Europe."
Then the commission for proroguing the parliament was read. After which
The
Lord Chancellor
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
By virtue of his majesty's commission under the great seal, to us and other lords directed, and now read, we do, in his majesty's name, and in obedience to his commands, prorogue this parliament to Thursday the 22d day of August next, to be then here holden; and this parliament is accordingly prorogued to Thursday the 22d day of August next."—The commons then withdrew from the bar, and their lordships retired.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Friday, July 12.
[MEMORIAL OF THE NAVY BOARD IN ANSWER TO THE THIRD NAVAL REPORT.]
840
Mr.
Kinnaird
841
The
Speaker
842
Mr.
Kinnaird
Sir
A. S. Hamond
The
Speaker
Mr.
Sheridan
843
Mr.
Sheridan,
The
Speaker
844
The deputy usher of the black rod then made his appearance, and desired the attendance of the house in the house of peers, to hear the lords commissioners give the royal assent to several public and private bills. The speaker, with the whole of the members present, went up accordingly to the house of lords, and on his return, calling the members round the table, read to them a copy of the speech; after which the members separated.—Thus ended the third session of the second parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
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Passed in the Third Session of the Second Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and in the 45th Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, George III. with the Date of their meeting the Royal Assent.
CHAP. I. An Act for continuing and granting to His Majesty certain Duties upon Malt in Great Britain, for the Service of the Year 1805. [7th Feb.]
2. An Act for continuing and granting to His Majesty a Duty on Pensions, Offices, and personal Estates, in England, and certain Duties on Sugar, Malt, Tobacco, and Snuff, in Great Britain, for the Service of the Year 1805. [7th Feb.]
3. An Act to remedy certain Omissions in an Act, passed in the last Session of Parliament, intituled, "An Act for the Relief of certain Insolvent Debtors. [7th Feb.]
4. An Act to continue, until Six Weeks after the Commencement of the next Session of Parliament, an Act, made in the last Session of Parliament, for continuing an Act to empower the Lord Lieutenant, or other Chief Governor or Governors of Ireland, to apprehend and detain such Persons as he or they shall suspect for conspiring against His Majesty's Person and Government. [22d Feb.]
5. An Act for explaining and amending an Act, made in the Forty-third Year of His present Majesty, for consolidating certain of the Provisions contained in any Act or Acts relating to the Duties under the Management of the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes, and for amending the same, so far as relates to the Power of acting as Commissioners in certain Districts. [22d Feb.]
6. An Act to indemnify such Persons in the United Kingdom as have omitted to qualify themselves for Offices and Employments, and for extending the Times limited for those Purposes respectively, until the Twenty-fifth Day. of December 1805; to permit such Persons in Great Britain as have omitted to make and file Affidavits of the Execution of Indentures of Clerks to Attornies and Solicitors to make and file the same, on or before the first Day of Michaelmas Term 1805. [22d Feb.]
7. An Act for raising the Sum of Three Millions by Loans on Exchequer Bills, for the Service of Great Britain, for the Year 1805. [22d Feb.]
8. An Act for amending an Act, passed in the last Session of Parliament, for granting additional Annuities to the Proprietors of Stock, created by two Acts, passed in the Thirty-seventh and Forty-second Years of His present Majesty. [1st March.]
9. An Act for allowing Vessels employed in the Greenland Whale-fishery to complete their full Number of Men at certain Ports for the present Season. [1st March.]
10. An Act for making further Provision for the effectual Performance of Quarantine. [12th March.]
11. An Act for granting certain additional Rates and Duties in Great Britain on the Conveyance of Letters. [12th March.]
12. An Act for raising the Sum of Twenty-two Millions Five Hundred Thousand Pounds by way of Annuities. [12th March]
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13. An Act for granting to His Majesty additional Duties in Great Britain on Horses used in riding or for drawing certain Carriages, and for consolidating the said additional Duties with the present Duties thereon. [18th March.]
14. An Act for granting additional Duties on Salt in Great Britain. [18th March.]
15. An Act for granting to His Majesty additional Duties in Great Britain on the Amount of Assessments to be charged on the Profits arising from property, Professions, Trades, and Offices. [18th March.]
16. An Act for punishing Mutiny and Desertion; and for the better Payment of the Army and their Quarters. [18th March.]
17. An Act for the Regulation of His Majesty's Royal Marine Forces while on Shore. [22d March.]
18. An Act for granting to His Majesty, until the 25th Day of March 1806, certain Rates and Duties, and to allow certain Drawbacks and Bounties, upon Goods, Wares, and Merchandize, imported into, and exported from, Ireland, in lieu of former Rates and Duties, Drawbacks, and Bounties. [25th March.]
19. An Act for granting to His Majesty, until the 25th Day of March 1806, certain inland Duties of Excise and Taxes in Ireland, in lieu of former Duties of Excise and Taxes. [25th March.]
20. An Act for granting to His Majesty certain Stamp Duties in Ireland. [25th March.]
21. An Act for repealing certain Duties upon Letters and Packets sent by the Post within Ireland, and granting other Duties in lieu thereof. [25th March.]
22. An Act for granting to His Majesty a Duty upon Malt made in Ireland, and upon Spirits made or distilled in Ireland, for the Year 1805. [25th March.]
23. An Act to continue, until the 25th Day of March 1806, and to amend, several Acts for regulating the Drawbacks and Bounties on the Exportation of Sugar from Ireland. [25th March.]
24. An Act for further continuing, until the 25th Day of March 1806, an Act, passed in the Forty-third Year of His present Majesty, for discontinuing certain Drawbacks and Bounties on the Exportation of Sugar from Great Britain, and for allowing other Drawbacks and Bounties in lieu thereof. [25th March.]
25. An Act to continue an Act for suspending the Operation of an Act, of the Seventeenth Year of His present Majesty, for restraining the Negotiation of Promissory Notes and Bills of Exchange, under a limited Sum, in England, until Six Months after a Ratification of a definitive Treaty of Peace. [25th March.]
26. An Act for continuing several Laws relating to the permitting the Warehousing of Spirits in Ireland for Exportation; for charging a Duty on the same when taken out for Home Consumption; and for regulating the Exportation to Great Britain of spirits not warehoused, until,
847
27. An Act to enable the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury of Great-Britain to issue Exchequer Bills, on the Credit of such Aids or Supplies as have been, or shall be, granted by Parliament for the Service of Great-Britain, for the Year 1805. [25th March.]
28. An Act for granting to His Majesty additional Stamp Duties, in Great-Britain on certain Legacies. [5th April.]
29. An Act for granting to His Majesty additional Duties, within Great-Britain, on certain Goods, Wares, and Merchandize, imported into, or brought or carried coastwise. [5th April.]
30. An Act for granting to His Majesty several additional Duties of Excise in Great Britain. [5th April.]
31. An Act for allowing a certain Proportion of the Militia in Great Britain voluntarily to enlist into His Majesty's Regular Forces and Royal Marines. [10th April]
32. An Act for granting to Foreign Ships put under His Majesty's Protection the Privileges of Prize Ships, under certain Regulations and Restrictions, and for allowing Aliens in Foreign Colonies surrendered to His Majesty to exercise the Occupations of Merchants or Factors, during the present War, and until Six Months after the Ratification of a Definitive Treaty of Peace. [10th April.]
33. An Act to make valid certain Licences, granted by virtue of an Order in Council, for allowing the importation and Exportation of certain Goods and Merchandize from and to Spain in Neutral Vessels, and for indemnifying all Persons concerned in advising such Order, or granting or acting under such Licences. [10th April.]
34. An Act to permit the Importation of Goods and Commodities from Countries in America, belonging to any Foreign European Sovereign or State, in Neutral Ships, during the present War, and until Six Months after the Ratification of a Definitive Treaty of Peace. [10th April.]
35. An Act to continue until the First Day of June 1806, and amend an Act, passed in the 37th Year of His present Majesty's Reign, for carrying into Execution the Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation, between His Majesty and the United States of America. [10th April.]
36. An Act to enable the East-India Company to appoint the Commander in Chief on the Bengal Establishment to be a Member of the Council of Fort William in Bengal; notwithstanding the Office of Governor-General of Fort William and the Office of Commander in Chief of all the Forces in India being vested in the same Person. [10th April.]
37. An Act for increasing the Rates of Subsistence to be paid to Innkeepers and others on
38. An Act for allowing a certain Proportion of the Militia in Ireland voluntarily to enlist into
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39. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1805, and amend an Act, made in the Parliament of Ireland in the 40th Year of His present Majesty, for better regulating the issuing and granting of Permits and Certificates for the Conveyance and Protection of Trade in exciseable Goods therein-mentioned, and to prevent Frauds by Dealers in, or Retailers of, such Goods, so far as the same respects Permits for Spirits or Spiritous Liquors. [11th April.]
40. An Act for raising the Sum of One Million Five Hundred Thousand Pounds, by way of Annuities, for the Service of Ireland. [17th May.]
41. An Act for restraining the Negotiation of certain Promissory Notes and Inland Bills of Exchange in Ireland. [17th May.]
42. An Act to extend the Provisions of an Act, made in the last Session of Parliament, for preventing the counterfeiting of certain Silver Coin issued by the Banks of England and Ireland respectively, to Silver Pieces which may be issued by the Governor and Company of the Bank of Ireland, called Tokens, and to promote the Circulation of the said Tokens. [17th May.]
43. An Act to amend the Laws for improving and keeping in Repair, the Post Roads in Ireland, and for rendering the Conveyance of Letters by His Majesty's Post Office more secure and expeditious. [17th May.]
44. An Act for repealing so much of an Act, made in the 34th Year of His present Majesty, as exempts Slate, the Value whereof shall not exceed Twenty Shillings per Ton, brought coastwise within Great Britain, from the Duty thereby granted. [5th June.]
45. An Act for making perpetual certain additional Duties of Excise on Wine imported into Great Britain, granted by two Acts, passed in. the 43d and 44th Years of His present majesty; and to allow a Drawback of the said Duties to Admirals, Captains, and other commissioned Officers, for Wine consumed on board His Majesty's Ships of War.[5th June.]
46. An Act to continue until the End of the next Session of Parliament, and amend an Act, made in the 43d Year of His present Majesty, for appointing Commissioners to enquire and examine into any Irregularities, Frauds, or Abuses, which are or have been practised by Persons employed in the several Naval Departments therein mentioned. [5th June.]
47. An Act to appoint Commissioners to enquire and examine into the Public Expenditure, and the Conduct of Public Business in the Military Departments therein mentioned; and to report such Observations as shall occur to them for correcting or preventing any Abuses and Irregularities, and for the better conducting and managing the Business of the said Departments, to continue in force for Two Years, and from thence until the Expiration of Six Weeks after the Commencement of the then next Session of Parliament. [5th June.]
48. An Act for appointing Commissioners for putting into Execution an Act of this Session of Parliament, for continuing and granting to His Majesty a Duty on Pensions, Offices, and personal Estates, in England, and certain Duties on Sugar, Malt, Tobacco, and Snuff, in Great Britain, for the Service of the Year 1805; and
849
49. An Act to repeal certain Parts of an ct, made in the 43d Year of His present Majesty, for granting a Contribution on the Profits arising from Property, Provisions, Trades, and Offices, and to consolidate and render more effectual the Provisions for collecting the said Duties. [5th June.]
50. An Act for regulating Licences for the Sale of spirituous Liquors, Wine, Beer, Ale, and Cyder, by retail, and for discouraging the immoderate use of Spirituous Liquors in Ireland. [5th June.]
51. An Act for granting to His Majesty certain additional Stamp Duties, for amending the Laws relating to the Stamp Duties, and for indemnifying Persons who have acted as Notaries Public, without being duly licensed, in Ireland. [27th June.]
52. An Act for the better Regulation of Licences to Persons in Ireland dealing in exciseable Commodities, and engaged in the several Occupations therein mentioned. [27th June.]
53. An Act for the Collection of the Malt Duties in Ireland, and regulating the Trade of a Malster. [27th June.]
54. An Act to amend an Act, made in the 9th Year of King George the First, for amending the Laws relating to the Settlement, Employment, and Relief of the Poor, so far as the same respects Contracts to be entered into for the Maintenance and Employment of the Poor. [27th June.]
55. An Act to amend an Act, made in the 25th Year of His present Majesty, for better examining and auditing the Public Accounts of this Kingdom, and for enabling the Commissioners in certain Cases to allow of Vouchers although not stamped according to Law. [27th June.]
56. An Act for further continuing, until the 1st Day of February 1809, an Act, made in the 27th Year of His present Majesty, for enabling the Commissioners of the Treasury to let to farm the Duties on Horses, let to hire for travelling Post, and by Time. [27th June.]
57. An Act to consolidate and extend the several Laws now in force for allowing the Importation and Exportation of certain Goods and Merchandize into and form certain Ports in the West-Indies. [27th June.]
58. An Act to repeal an Act, made in the 23d Year of His present Majesty, for the better Regulation of the Office of Paymaster-General of His Majesty's Forces, and the more regular Payment of the Army; and for the more effectually regulating the said Office. [27th June.]
59. An Act for amending an Act, passed in the Parliament of Ireland, in the 35th Year of His present Majesty, for regulating the Election of Members to serve in Parliament, so far as relates to Freeholds under the yearly value of Twenty Pounds, and for making further and other Regulations relating thereto. [27th June.]
60. An Act for making Allowances in certain Cases to Subaltern Officers of the Militia of Great Britain while disembodied. [27th June.]
61. An Act to revive, and further continue, until the 25th Day of March 1806; and amend so
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62. An Act for defraying the Charge of the Pay and Clothing of the Militia in Great Britain for the Years 1805. [27th June.]
63. An Act for defraying, until the 25th Day of March 1806, the Charge of the Pay and Clothing of the Militia of Ireland; for holding Courts Martial on Serjeant Majors, Serjeants, Corporals, and Drummers, for Offences committed during the Time such Militia shall not be embodied; and for making Allowances in certain Cases to Subaltern Officers of the said Militia during Peace. [27th June.]
64. An Act to amend an Act, made in the 41st Year of His present Majesty, for granting Bounties for taking and bringing Fish to the Cities of London and Westminster, and other Places in the United Kingdom. [27th June.]
65. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1806, and from thence until the End of the then next Session of Parliament, for appointing Commissioners to enquire into the Fees, Gratuities, Perquisites, and Emoluments, which are or have been lately received into the several Public Offices in Ireland therein mentioned, to examine into any Abuses which may exist in the same, and into the present mode of receiving, collecting, issuing, and accounting for Public Money in Ireland. [27th June.]
66. An Act to prevent, in Great Britain, the illegally carrying away Bark, and for amending two Acts, passed in the 6th and 9th Years of His present Majesty's Reign, for the Preservation of Timber, Trees, Underwoods, Roots, Shrubs, Plants, Hollies, Thorns, and Quicksets. [27th June.]
67. An Act for granting to His Majesty an additional Duty on Spanish Red Wine imported into Great Britain. [27th June.]
68. An Act for making perpetual, and amending, several Laws for encouraging the making of Sail Cloth in Great Britain, and securing the Duties on Foreign Sail Cloth imported, and for making perpetual several Laws for permitting the Exportation of a certain Quantity of Corn and Grain to Guernsey, Jersey, and Alderney, and for regulating the Fees of Officers of the Customs, and of Naval Officers in the British Colonies in America, and of the Officers of the Customs in Newfoundland. [27th June.]
69. An Act for vesting in the Barrack Master General for the Time being, Estates held or occupied for the Barrack Service, and authorising him to sell the same with the Consent of the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury. [27th June.]
70. An Act to rectify a Mistake in the Name of one of the Commissioners appointed by an Act, passed in the present Session of Parliament, for appointing Commissioners to enquire into the Public Expenditure, and the Conduct of Public Business, in the Military Departments therein mentioned. [17th June.]
71. An Act to amend the several Laws relating to the Duties under the Management of the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes. [27th June.]
72. An Act for the Encouragement of Seamen, and for the better and more effectually manning
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73. An Act to enable the Commissioners of the Treasury to contract with certain Proprietors of Stock created by two Acts, passed in the 37th and 42d Years of His present Majesty, for granting other Annuities in lieu thereof, or to pay the same off at the Period herein mentioned. [27th June.]
74. An Act for granting to His Majesty a Sum of Money to be raised by Lotteries. [27th June.]
75. An Act to remove Doubts touching Appointments to certain Offices in the Court of Chancery made during the Vacancy of the Office of Register, and Keeper of the Register and Registers in that Court. [27th June.]
76. An Act to amend an Act, made in the Parliament of Ireland, for the Support of the Honour and Dignity of His Majesty's Crown in Ireland, and for granting to His Majesty a Civil
77. An Act to amend, and render more effectual, an Act, passed in the 42d Year of His present Majesty's Reign, for consolidating the Provisions of the several Acts passed for the Redemption and Sale of the Land Tax into one Act. [2d July.]
78. An Act to indemnify all Persons concerned in advancing Forty Thousand Pounds to Messrs. Boyd, Benfield, and Company, in 1796, out of Monies issued for naval Services. [2d July.]
79. An Act to amend several Acts, passed in the Parliament of Ireland, for appointing Commissioners to enquire into the Losses of such of His Majesty's loyal Subjects as have suffered in their Property during the Rebellion in Ireland, and for other Purposes in the said Acts mentioned. [2d July.]
80. An Act for continuing several Laws relating to the regulating the Prices at which Corn and Grain may be exported from Great Britain to Ireland, and from Ireland to Great Britain; and to the Admission to entry of Oil and Blubber of Newfoundland taken by His Majesty's Subjects carrying on the Fishery from, and residing in, the said island, until the 25th Day of March 1806; and for reviving, amending, and continuing, for the same Term, an Act of the last Session of Parliament, for permitting the Importation of Hides and other Articles in Foreign Ships. [2d July.]
81. An Act to amend an Act, made in the 31st Year of His present Majesty, for the better Regulation and Government of Seamen employed in the coasting Trade. [2d July.]
82. An Act for repealing the Duty chargeable on Woollen Goods, of the Manufacture of Great Britain, exported to the East-Indies. [2d July.]
83. An Act to continue the Operation of an Act, passed in the last Session of Parliament, to suspend proceedings in Actions, Prosecutions, and Proceedings, under certain Acts relating to the Woolen Manufacture, and also under an Act of the Reign of Queen Elisabeth, so far as relates to certain Persons employed or concerned in the said Manufacture. [2d July.]
84. An Act for making more effectual the gracious Intentions of Her late Majesty Queen Anne, for the Augmentation of the Maintenance of the Clergy, so far as relates to the
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85. An Act for authorising the Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury in Great Britain to advance a certain Sum of Money, to be applied in completing the Crinan Canal. (2d July.)
86. An Act to explain and amend an Act, made in the last Session of Parliament, to regulate the Importation: and Exportation of Corn, and the Bounties and Duties payable thereon. (10th July.)
87. An Act to authorise the Lords Commissioners of His Majesty's Treasury to permit certain Articles to be warehoused in different Ports in Great Britain, upon giving Security for the Payment of Duties upon the Articles therein mentioned. (10th July.)
88. An Act for repealing the Duties of Customs on Cochineal Dust and Granilla imported into Great Britain, and for granting other Duties in lieu thereof. (10th July.)
89. An Act to alter and extend the Provisions of the Laws now in force for the Punishment of the Forgery of Bank Notes, Bills of Exchange, and other Securities, to every Part of Great Britain. (10th July.)
90. An Act to empower His Majesty to retain upon full Pay and Allowances Officers of the Militia during the War, notwithstanding the Reduction. (10th July.)
91. An Act for appointing additional Commissioners for the better examining and auditing certain of the Public Accounts of Great Britain. (10th July.)
92. An Act to amend two Acts, of the 13th and 44th Years of His present Majesty, for the more effectual Execution of the Criminal Laws, and more easy apprehending and bringing to trial Offenders escaping from one Part of the United Kingdom to the other, and from one County to another. (10th July.)
93. An Act to amend two Acts, passed in the 43d and 45th Years of His present Majesty, for regulating the Drawbacks and Bounties on the Exportation of Sugar from Great Britain. (10th July.)
94. An Act for reducing the Duty of Excise on Hops, the Growth of Great Britain. (10th July.)
95. An Act to amend so much of an Act, of the 43d Year of His present Majesty, for consolidating certain of the Provisions of the Acts relating to the Duties in Scotland under the Management of the Commissioners for the Affairs of Taxes, as relates to the Appointment of Assessors and Sub-collectors, and the Notices required to be delivered to Persons assessed to the said Duties. (10th July.)
96. An Act for continuing the Premiums allowed to Ships employed in the Southern Whale Fishery. (10th July)
97. An Act to indemnify all Persons who have been concerned in issuing an Order of Council and Directions for extending the Time of certain Ships continuing to perform Quarantine. (10th July.)
98. An Act for increasing the Drawback on Linens exported from Great Britain to the West Indies. (10th July.)
99. An Act for regulating and encouraging the Trade; for the Improvement of the Revenue; and Prevention of Smuggling to and from the Isle of Man. (10th July.)
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100. An Act for better regulating the distilling of Spirits in England for Exportation to Scotland, and in Scotland for Exportation to England; for the better securing Licences to distil Spirits for Scotland. (10th July.)
101. An Act to repeal so much of an Act, passed in the 9th Year of the Reign of His late Majesty King George the Second, intituled, "An Act to restrain the Disposition of Lands, whereby the same become unalienable," as restrains Colleges within the two Universities of Oxford and Cambridge from purchasing or holding Advowsons, except as therein is provided. (10th July.)
102. An Act to revive and continue an Act, made in the 31st Year of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for the Encouragement of the Pilchard Fishery, by allowing a further Bounty upon Pilchards taken, cured, and exported." (10th July.)
103. An Act for charging additional Duties of Customs on Straw Platting, and on Straw Hats or Bonnets imported into Great Britain. (10th July.)
104. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1806, and amend several Acts for regulating and securing the Collection of the Duties on Spiritous Liquors distilled in Ireland, and the warehousing of such Spirits for Exportation. (10th July.)
105. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1806, and amend several Acts for regulating the Collection of the Duties in Ireland on Fire Hearths, on Dwelling Houses, on Coaches and other Carriages, on Male Servants, on Horses, and on Dogs. (10th July.)
106. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1806, and amend several Acts for regulating and securing the Collection of the Duties on Paper made in Ireland, and on Paper printed or stained in Ireland to serve for Hangings or other Uses. (10th July.)
107. An Act for charging, until the 25th Day of March 1806, an additional Duty on Spanish Red Wine imported into Ireland. (10th July.)
108. An Act to continue, until the 29th Day of September 1806, several Acts for the better Collection and Security of the Revenues of Customs and Excise in Ireland, and for preventing Frauds therein. (10th July.)
109. An Act to amend so much of an Act for granting to His Majesty several Sums of Money for defraying the Charge of certain permanent Services in Ireland, as relates to the Military Survey of Ireland. (10th July)
110. An Act for exempting from the Duties on Profits arising from Property the first Half-yearly Dividend on Annuities, under an Act of the present Session for raising the Sum of One Million Five Hundred Thousand Pounds by way of Annuities, for the Service of Ireland, which shall not have been written into the Books of the Bank of England. (10th July)
111. An Act to amend and render more effectual an Act, made in the Parliament of Ireland, in the 5th Year of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for erecting and establishing Public Infirmaries and Hospitals in this Kingdom." (10th July.)
112. An Act to appoint Commissioners to enquire and examine into any irregularities or Abuses which may have taken place in conducting and managing the Paving, Cleansing, and Lighting the Streets of Dublin, and to provide
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113. An Act for granting a certain Sum of Money towards improving the Harbour on the North Side of the Hill of Howth, near Dublin, and, and rendering it a fit Situation for His Majesty's Packets. (10th July.)
114. An Act for enabling the Commissioners of the Treasury of Great Britain to advance a certain Sum of Money to the Lord Provost, Magistrates, and Council of the City of Edinburgh, towards the Completion of the Docks and other Works in the Harbour of Lieth. (10th July.)
115. An Act for purchasing certain Buildings and Ground in and near Palace Yard, Westminster, for the Use of the Public. (10th July.)
116. An Act for enabling His Majesty to grant a certain Creek called Chelson Bay, otherwise Shilston Bay, in or near the Parish of Plympton Saint Mary, in the County of Devon; and for vesting the same, for a valuable consideration, in the Right Honourable John Lord Boringdon, and his Heirs. (10th July.)
117. An Act to continue the Proceedings in the House of Lords, touching the Conduct of Luke Fox, Esq. one of the Judges of the Count of Common Pleas of that Part of the United Kingdom, called Ireland, notwithstanding any Prorogation or Dissolution of Parliament. (10th July.)
118. An Act for raising the Sum of Eight Millions by Loans or Exchequer Bills, for the Service of Great Britain, for the Year 1805. (10th July.)
119. An Act for raising the Sum of Two Millions Five Hundred Thousand Pounds, by Loans or Exchequer Bills, for the Service of Great Britain, for the Year 1805; and for indemnyfying the Bank of England for having advanced Money for the Public Service on the Credit of certain Exchequer Bills. (10th July.)
120. An Act for raising the Sum of One Million Five Hundred Thousand Pounds, by Loans or Exchequer Bills, for the Service of Great Britain, for the Year 1805. (10th July.)
121. An Act for the more effectual Prevention of Smuggling. (12th July.)
122. An Act for charging additional Duties on the Importation of Foreign Plate Glass into Great Britain. (12th July.)
123. An Act for settling and securing a certain Annuity on John Duke of Atholl, and the Heirs general of the seventh Earl of Derby. (12th July.)
124. An Act to amend an Act, passed in the 4th Year of His present Majesty, intituled, "An Act for preventing Inconveniencies arising in Cases of Merchants, and such other Persons as are within tine Description of the Statutes relating to Bankrupts being entitled to Privilege of Parliament, and becoming insolvent, and to prevent Delay in the entering Appearances in Actions brought against Persons having Privilege of Parliament. (12th July.)
125. An Act to provide that the Proceedings now depending in the House of Commons, upon Articles of Charge of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, which have been exhibited against Henry
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126. An Act to indemnify Persons who shall give Evidence against Henry Lord Viscount Melville, upon the Impeachment voted against him by the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, in Parliament assembled, in respect of Acts done by such Persons in any Office or Employment held by them under the said Lord Viscount Melville, during the Time he held and enjoyed the Office of Treasurer of His Majesty's Navy. (12th July.)
127. An Act to vest the Townleian Collection
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128. An Act for allowing, under certain restrictions, until the 1st Day of August 1806, the bringing a limited Quantity of Coals, Culm, or Cinders, to London and Westminster by inland Navigation. (12th July.)
129. An Act for granting to His Majesty a certain Sum of Money out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain, and for applying certain Monies therein-mentioned for the Service of Great Britain, for the Year 1805, and for further appropriating the Supplies granted in this Session of Parliament. (12th July.)
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PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS.
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Ordered to be printed 27th May 1805.
The Select Committee to whom the Tenth Report of the commissioners of Naval Enquiry (respecting the office of the treasurer of his majesty's navy) was referred, to enquire into the application of any monies issued to the treasurer of the navy for naval services, to purposes not naval; and whether any, and what representations were made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, or the chancellor of the exchequer, respecting the withdrawing from the bank any sums of money so issued, since the passing of the act of 25 Geo. III. c. 31.; and also into the proceedings had for the recovery of the debt due to the crown by the late Adam Jellicoe;—have agreed to the following report.
IN taking into our consideration the three subjects which are referred to your committee, it occurred to us, that though the first, in terms, comprehends an enquiry, generally and without restriction, into the application of any monies issued to the treasurer of the navy for naval services, to purposes not naval; yet it must necessarily have been the intention of the house to exclude from our consideration all such monies so issued and so applied as were to be the subject of measures which the attorney general was directed, by an order of the house, to take "by due course of law, for ascertaining and recovering any sums of money that may be due from lord Melville and Alexander Trotter, esq. in respect of any profits derived by them from monies issued for naval services, and that may have come to their hands subsequent to the first of January 1786:—We, therefore, conceived it not to be our duty to enquire, whether any sums issued for naval purposes had been applied by lord Melville or Mr. Trotter to their own use, for which they would be re-
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Upon the second head of enquiry referred to us by your order, viz.—Whether any, and what representations were made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, or the chancellor of the exchequer, respecting the withdrawing from the Bank any sums of money so issued, since the passing of the act of the 25th Geo. III. c. 31.; your committee do not find that any such representations have ever been made to the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, nor any such, representations to the chancellor of the exchequer; except what is stated in the evi-
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Upon the last subject of the enquiry referred to us, as to the proceedings had for the recovery of the debt due to the crown by the late Adam Jellicoe; it appears, in the tenth report, p. 159, and the evidence in the appendix to the report therein referred to, that the property of the late Mr. Adam Jellicoe returned by the inquisition taken upon the extent issued in August 1789, had all been sold, and the proceeds carried to account, long antecedent to the writ of privy seal, dated 31st May, 1800; except the patent of Mr. Cort, a farm at Sheffield, a warehouse and wharf at Gosport, and a messuage at Portsmouth Common, all which remain still unsold. It appears also, that the sum of 4000l. was due to Mr. Adam Jellicoe from his son Mr. Samuel Jellicoe; who in his evidence before the commissioners of naval enquiry, states that sum to have been advanced to him by his father upon his entering into business, but that it appeared as a debt due from him on his father's books.—As to the patent, it does not seem that any opportunity has occurred, though endeavours have been used, to make it available to any profitable purpose; the farm at Sheffield has been taken possession of by the mortgagee.—As to the warehouse and wharf, which was valued in the inquisition at 1000l. it has been let to Mr. S. Jellicoe at the rent of 100l. a year; on the 23d of September 1791, 150l. and on the 21st of May, 1800, 875l. for ten years and a quarter's rent for the said wharf and warehouse, was paid by Mr. Samuel Jellicoe to Mr. Trotter, on account of the treasurer of the navy; and as to the 4000l. it appears that Samuel
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Of the sums you have advanced from time to time to lord Melville, not exceeding the 20,000l. as mentioned yesterday, do you know whether any part of it was applied to any public purpose? I do not, but I beg to be understood, that this sum which I mentioned yesterday, is not connected with the sums which I have mentioned before the commissioners of naval enquiry to have been occasionally in advance to lord Melville, and for which I accounted his lordship my private debtor.—In the tenth report it is mentioned, that a certain sum was left in Mr. Trotter's hands, as the balance of the first part of the second treasureship, where is that sum now, amounting to 5484l. 15s. 3d.? The greater part of it is still in my possession, but a small part has been paid away at one payment.—What was the amount of the small payment? I issued 200l. to the cashier to make payment of a larger demand, assisted by money in the cashier's hands.—When was that payment made? It was made in December 1804, and I have taken measures within these two days to pay up the whole balance.—What are the measures you have taken? I have enquired into the amount of balances remaining unassigned in that treasureship, with a view to procure assignments being made so as to reduce the balance.—To whom do you propose to pay the balance, when it is so reduced? The account being nearly closed, I expect directions from the auditor's office to pay the balance into the exchequer.—What obstacles have there been in the way to an earlier settlement of this account? From the peculiarly intricate manner in which the account of the ex-treasurers are required to be closed, but which intricacy arises from the minute accuracy which is observed.—There is a certain sum mentioned in the 135th page of the tenth report of the commissioners of naval enquiry, of the sum of 5563l. 6s. 2¼d. which was paid into lord Melville's own hands in May or June 1800, which was the balance of lord Melville's first treasureship, ending in 1783; do you know where that sum now is? I do not, any further than I have heard lord Melville, within these three weeks or a month say, that he meant to pay it immediately into the exchequer.—From the state of the accounts of lord Melville's first treasureship, could that balance have
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Can you recollect any thing about the repayment of the specific sum of 10,000l. which, at your commencing paymaster, lord Melville acknowledged to you that he owed to the public? I do not.—What sums did you annually receive, as my lord Melville's private agent, from other sources, saving those of his salary as treasurer of the navy? I do not recollect any regular annual payments made to me upon his lordship's account, although I have received considerable sums, and in many instances.—Can you form any opinion of the average? I cannot.—Did you receive, as far as you are informed, all lord Melville's private income in the capacity of his private agent? I believe I received all his income arising in this country, but I cannot speak with certainty.—Did you receive for him his salary as treasurer of the navy? I did.—The whole of it? As far as I recollect, I did.—Have you brought the date of the releases? I have.—What are they? They were signed by lord Melville upon the 18th of February 1803, and by myself upon the 23d of that month.—You having stated yourself to be still private agent to lord Melville, what circumstance then led to the execution of mutual releases between you and lord Melville? I know no circumstance, excepting that of his lordship having left this country, and, as I thought, without any intention of returning; and I conceived that it would be a satisfac-faction to lord Melville as well as myself that our heirs in the case of the death of either of us, should have as little trouble as possible in arranging the several accounts which had existed so long between us.—Were the books of account destroyed before or after the execution of the releases? It was after that date.—Who preceded you as paymaster?
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Where were the releases executed between you and lord Melville? The release was signed by his lordship at his own house in Scotland, and by myself in London.—Did any conversation relative to the account books, or their destruction, take place between you and lord Melville previous to their being destroyed? The subject never came under consideration between his lordship and myself, to the best of my recollection.—Has any subsequent conversation taken place on that subject? None, except of my having informed his lordship of the fact, and the regret which we have both felt on the circumstance.—Has any communication by letter, before, or since, taken place upon that subject? None whatever.—Can you give to the committee any more precise explanation of the conversation
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Were you the lender of the money borrowed for lord Melville, and for which he paid an interest? I was.—What was the amount? My recollection does not enable me to state this with accuracy; but I believe, to the best of my knowledge, that it was a sum not exceeding from 20 to 23,000l.—Is that sum repaid? It is.—How long since? Four or five years.—Was you agent for the whole of lord Melville's income arising from private sources in England? As far as I know I was so.— Were you in the receipt of the whole or any part of lord Melville's income, arising from private sources in Scotland? His lordship has made me frequent remittances from Scotland; but I do not know from what sources they arose.—You were not then regularly in the receipt of lord Melville's income arising from private sources in Scotland? I was not.—Do you know of any instance between August 1796, and January 1798, of any navy bill or victualling bill becoming due and presented for payment, not having been paid when presented, owing to the want of effects for the payment of such navy and victualling bill? That certainly is not within my knowledge.—Must you have known it from your situation in the navy pay-office, if such an event had actually happened? I think I must unquestionably have known it.—During that period, in a former part of your evidence, you have stated that you were in Scotland; had such a circumstance happened during your absence in Scotland, would it have been communicated to you officially, either by Mr. Wilson or Mr. Swaffield, cashier of the victualling bills? Undoubtedly a circumstance so singular would have been communicated to me by one or other of those gentlemen, especially as I do not believe or recollect that any such circumstance had occurred during the whole time I acted as paymaster of the navy.—What is the longest period at any one time of your absence from London, during the time that you was paymaster, during which period Mr. Wilson was drawing money from the bank with blank checks signed by you? I was absent from the pay. office, I believe, between three and four months in the year 1797, upon the occasion of my marriage in Scotland; but I have very seldom been
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Who drew the release between you and lord Melville? Mr. Spottiswoode, of Sack-ville-street, my solicitor.—Is he dead? Yes.—Who settled it? I do not know if any one.—Who gave the instructions for it? It proceeded from an advice of Mr. Spottiswoode himself, who brought me the deed ready prepared, without any particular instructions from any one.—Was any particular instruction given, or did any order or conversation take place upon the particular part of the deed which relates to the giving up or destruction of vouchers or other documents? None that I remember, excepting Mr. Spottiswoode's general observation, that it would be no longer necessary to preserve any vouchers relating to accounts between lord Melville and myself.
The further examination of Alexander Trotter,
You have stated, in your evidence before the commissioners of naval enquiry, that upon the death of Mr. Adam Jellicoe you took possession of some of his private papers; videlicet, all those which you thought necessary, as tending to secure his public balance; have any of those papers or books been destroyed by you, or by your direction, or to your knowledge? They have not.—Can you now, upon recollection, state whether you ever were in possession of, or ever had a view of Jellicoe's private ledger? I never was in possession of it; I think I have seen it, but never to look into it with attention.—Where did you see it? I think at the pay-office.—In whose hands, in whose possession, or whose custody was it when you saw it? I do not know in whose custody it was, but I think it was in the hands of the accomptant, Mr. Black.—When did you see it? I have no recollection whatever.—About what time as near as you can recollect? I do not recollect having seen it much later than the period when Mr. Jellicoe died.—It is stated by Mr. Samuel Jellicoe, in his evidence before the commissioners of naval enquiry, that it was consented to by you that he should pay a debt of 4,000l. due by him to the estate of his father, by instalments of 200l. a year, and that he had paid to you the sum of 2,050l. up to the 31st of March 1800; and it appears that lord Melville was acquitted of the deficiency of Mr. Adam Jellicoe by a writ of privy seal, dated the 29th of
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In point of fact, did you take upon yourself to collect whatever you could of Mr. Jellicoe's property and debts? I was as active in doing so as much as I could, or thought myself warranted in doing, for a considerable time after Mr. Jellicoe's death.—Did Mr. White know that you were taking those active steps for that purpose? I had many meetings and conversations with Mr. White, and we certainly both exerted ourselves in the business as far as we could be serviceable in it.—Do you know whether Mr. White, from what passed between you, relied upon the information he received from you relative to the property? As far as my information went, I make no doubt he relied upon it; but the other business of the pay office engaged so much of my attention, that it was impossible for me to give that full information upon the business which I could wish to have done.—Why did you permit so large an arrear of the rent and instalments from Jellicoe to accrue? I had no reason whatever for doing so further than as I have already explained, my not considering myself authorised to compel any payments whatever upon that account.—Do you know whether there are any debts due to Adam Jellicoe now recoverable, exclusive of Samuel Jellicoe's? I do not recollect any at this moment that I consider to be recoverable.—Did lord Melville give you any instructions for inserting the clause to destroy vouchers in the release before it was drawn up? He did not.—Do you know of his having given such instructions to any other person? I do not.—At whose desire was that clause introduced? I do not know; I can only repeat, that Mr. Spottiswoode brought me the release to sign, without any particular instructions from me.—Look at the tenth report; in the account contained in that page your account is debited for several victualling and navy bills, at the foot of which the discount is subtracted, was that the regular discount at that time on victualling and navy bills? I am altogether ignorant of the circumstance; but I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of my banker's accounts.—Do you know what period those victualling and navy bills had to run? I really am altogether ignorant of the circumstance.—Have you any reason whatever to doubt that the discount upon those navy and victualling bills was
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You have stated, that at various times you advanced various sums of money on account of lord Melville to Mr. Tweedy, Messrs. Drummond, Mr. Alves the private secretary and other members of lord Melville's family; do you mean to state, that all the persons above enumerated received payments out of the sum of 22 or 23,000l. advanced by you at various times to lord Melville, for which no interest was paid; or do you mean to describe them as the parties to whom payments had generally been made by you on lord Melville's account, out of other as well as the fund above mentioned? I mean it of the latter description.—Did you ever make any payment out of the above fund of 22 or 23,000l. to any member of lord Melville's family? I do not remember that I ever did.—Were the funds received by you, on lord Melville's private account, paid into the mixed fund at Messrs. Coutts, which you have stated to consist partly of public and partly of private money? They were.—Can you precisely state the persons to whom issues out of the above fund of 22 or 23,000l. were made? I have not means of precisely stating it.
The further Examination of Alexander Trotter,
You have stated, that you were in the habit of applying sums of money, on lord Melville's account, under general instructions previously given to you for the management of his private affairs; do you recollect whether you applied, under such general instructions, any part of the 22 or 23,000l. on which you have stated no interest was charged? I do not recollect having applied any part of that money under general instructions, as these were the sums which lord Melville never gave me any information upon.—Was Mr. Tweedy employed in the management of issues on lord Melville's account, out of any other fund than the abovementioned fund of 22 or 23,000l.? I was in the habit of employing Mr. Tweedy in almost all my money transactions, with lord Melville as well as with others.—Was any part of that sum of 22 or 23,000l. paid to Mr. Tweedy, without an antecedent order of lord Melville? I do not recollect any.—In the account of receipts and payments between the 1st and 31st of January, 1798, there appears an entry of a transfer to the victualling branch, to repay the like sum transferred from thence to "Wages" in March 1797; have you any
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The Examination of Charles Tweedy,
Are you the eldest son of your late father? Yes.—Are you executor? No.—Who did administer? No one; he died without a will.—When did he die? On the 14th of January, 1803.—Did you come into possession of your father's books and papers? I did.—Did your father act as private agent to lord Melville? Not that I know of.—Amongst the books of your father's, were there any accounts between lord Melville and your father? Not that I know of.—Are all the books of accounts belonging to your late father which came into your possession on his death, now in existence? Yes.—Can you undertake to say, that in those books there may not be accounts of money transactions between the late Mr. Tweedy and lord Melville? I think no other than in an official way; by official, I mean, discharging strictly that duty he held under lord Melville.—What office do you hold? I am called ledger writer in the victualling department of the navy pay office.—Have you acted as private agent to lord Melville in any capacity? Never.
The further Examination of Charles Tweedy,
Are those books produced, all the books of accounts or papers that came into your possession at your father's death? Yes.—Do you know of the destruction of any books or papers of your father's previous to his death? I do not.—Have you any knowledge of any sum or sums of money received by your father from Mr. Trotter, for the use of lord Melville? I have not.
The Examination of Thomas Wilson, esq. taken
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The further examination of Thomas Wilson, esq.
[The witness wishes to amend his evidence on the 4th of May—instead of "appeared in the monthly accounts of the office, as part of the stated balance," I should have stated,
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From a view of the paper put into your hands, purporting to be an extract from the bank books, of the drafts paid to the order of Alexander Trotter, esq. as paymaster of the navy pay-office, can you inform the committee by which of the draft or drafts therein specified you obtained the money paid into the hands of Mr. Long, or lord Melville; Viz. 40,000l. as stated by you before this committee? I really cannot.—When money was drawn for by the paymaster during the last treasurership of lord Melville, to any particular head of service, was such money drawn from an aggregate fund, for which the treasurer of the navy was credited at the bank, or were the drafts drawn for monies applicable to distinct heads of service, paid out of distinct accounts raised for such head of service, in the bank books? The balance of money to the credit of the treasurer of the navy, at the bank, was not distinguished by different heads of service, but formed an aggregate, upon which the drafts were distinguished by the heads of service; but the accounts of the bank were not so distinguished.—Were certificates, during that treasurership, regularly sent to the different boards of the sums at the bank, applicable to the service of each board, by the treasurer of the navy or his agent, in order that they might be informed of the balances for the amount of which they might make assignments? The boards were regularly informed of all issues of money from the exchequer by certificates or receipts, dated upon the day of such issues, and the application of such monies.—You have before stated, that all drafts drawn on account of every branch of service, although such drafts distinguished each branch for which they were so drawn, were paid out of an aggregate fund at the bank, how then could information be given to the different boards of the specific sum allotted for the service of each board at the bank.—The issue of money from the exchequer is directed by the treasury, and in their letter the services for which the money is to be applied is distinctly stated, and the certificate or receipt is in some respects a copy or transcript of that letter.—In point of fact, in drawing
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The further examination of Thomas Wilson,
[Mr. Wilson wishes to amend his evidence on the 11th May—after "no power to do," to insert "I certainly now conceive, that if such improbable circumstance should have taken place, as the whole of the assignments being presented on one day, that the deficiency of the 40,000l. would then have appeared, and consequently that bills must have been refused payment.]
The further examination of Thomas Wilson,
Do you remember, with precision, out of what branch of service the issue of 40,000l. took place? As far as my recollection goes,
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Do you recollect any instance to have occurred in the office of the treasurer of the navy, of a transfer made from one branch of service to another branch under different commissioners, except the instance on the 4th of March 1797, in which a transfer of 8,995l. 13s. 6d. appears to have been made from the victualling to the navy branch? It is the only instance which has ever come to my knowledge.—Would the office have felt itself authorized to make such transfer, without the specific directions to that effect, either of the board of treasury or the victualling board? Most certainly not.
The examination of the right hon. CHARLES
State to the committee in what instances you have any knowledge of monies issued for navy services having been applied to purposes not naval. I know only of one instance; it is that which is referred to in the tenth report, where Mr. Trotter says, he had received ceived from me a sum of money which he had before placed in the hands of lord Melville. If the committee will give me leave, I will state to them all the circumstances of the transaction to which this refers, as far as they are within my recollection at this distance of time. In the autumn 1796, I received a note from lord Melville, requesting I would call upon him early the next morning at his office in Parliament street; in a conversation I there held with him, he noticed the great difficulty in which all commercial men found themselves at that particular period, the alarm and distrust which prevailed, and the difficulty which they found of raising money upon the best securities: he said that this embarrassment was particularly felt by the house of Messrs. Boyd and co. who were contractors for the loan; that the bank had refused to make their payments on the loan, as usual, or to discount their bills; and that, with ample securities in their hands, they were not enabled to raise money to pay the next instalment, which was then just becoming due; that under these circumstances he thought it a public object to support the house; that if the house failed, it would involve many others in its ruin, and give a great blow to commercial credit, already very much shaken. He said they required the sum of 40,000l. to enable them to make good their engagement to government; that he had found the means of advancing that sum, and which he could do without incon
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The further examination of the right hon. Charles
When did you become acquainted with the source from which lord Melville took the money advanced to Messrs. Boyd? I certainly at first thought that lord Melville had obtained this accommodation for Mr. Boyd either from Messrs. Drummonds, or from some of his private connections, Mr. Boyd not having been able, from the extraordinary circumstances of the time to which I have before referred, to raise upon discount the whole sum which was necessary; but in the course of the transaction I certainly did believe that the money had been advanced from the balance in the hands of the treasurer of the navy; at what period this idea came into my mind I cannot at present state.—Were you aware that in making such advance, the treasurer of the navy was acting illegally as well as irregularly? I probably had not the
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The examination of the right hon. WILLIAM
Do you know of any instance of money, issued for naval services, applied to purposes not naval? I know of one such instance.—Have the goodness to state it? It was an advance made from naval money, in the course of the year 1796; I think late in the summer or in the autumn of 1796; I am not able to ascertain the precise time; it was made to the house of Messrs. Boyd and Benfield, who were then contractors for two loans for government; the advance was the sum of 40,000l. It was made in consequence of a representation, that, from the difficulty which existed at that time in obtaining advances, even on good security, they were under such pecuniary embarrassments, as would prevent their making good an instalment due to government. Unquestionable securities were given for the repayment of the advance; and, under these circumstances, knowing no other way at the time by which serious mischief to the public service could be prevented; and understanding that the naval service was not likely to suffer any inconvenience from this advance, I concurred in opinion with the treasurer of the navy, that it was advisable to make it. I must beg the committee to understand, that I can only state the general substance of the transaction to the best of my recollection, not being able precisely to recall all the particulars at this distance of time.—To whom was the pecuniary embarrassments of the house of Boyd and Benfield made known? To myself and lord Melville.—At the same time? Whether separately or jointly I cannot undertake to say, but I rather believe both ways.—With whom did the proposition for the relief of the house of Boyd and Benfield, by the means which were afterwards resorted to, originate? I am confident the suggestion of the means must have originated with the treasurer of the navy.—Did the treasurer of the navy
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Was any interest paid by Messrs. Boyd upon the loan of 40,000l.? I do not know that there was.—Why was it not paid? No demand was made.—Do you recollect any other instance of public money advanced to commercial persons in which interest was not demanded? I do not recollect any similar instance of such an advance.—Do you recollect any other instance where interest has not been paid? No.—For what reason was the demand of interest omitted? I can assign no specific reason; it did not occur to me to be necessary.—what was the amount of money borrowed in the year 1795? I cannot take upon myself to say at this moment.—Do you recollect how many loans were made in that year? I cannot now state it with any accuracy; but there was one made in December 1795.—Was Mr. Boyd contractor for all or any of the loans made in 1795? I am sure he was contractor for the loan made about December 1795; I do not recollect any preceding loan.—Was the loan of December 1795 a close loan, or a loan by public bidding? There was one of the loans with Mr. Boyd a close loan, but I cannot recollect which.—Do you recollect that Mr. Boyd laid claim to the loan in December I795, in consequence of any previous transactions between you and him, or of any understanding that had taken
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The further examination of the right hon. William
Were any representations at any time made to you by any body, of the circumstance of money issued to the bank for navy services, been drawn from thence, and lodged in the hands of a private banker or bankers? I have a general recollection, that Mr. Raikes, one of the bank directors, and I believe either governor or deputy governor at the time, took some occasion to mention to me, that he believed sums were drawn from the bank
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Do you recollect having been informed by Mr. Thornton, that he had reason to suppose the house of Boyd and co. would ultimately prove insolvent, and that you, therefore, would not suffer a bidding to be made for a loan you were then negotiating subsequent to the loan of 7,500,000l. above alluded to, and for which the house of Boyd and co. in conjunction with others, wished to bid? I have no distinct recollection of that transaction; but I think there was an occasion on which I declined receiving the proposal from some other bankers, who were supposed to be associated with Mr. Boyd; as well as I recollect that must have been at a later period; the bankers were, as well as I recollect, Messrs. Strange and co.—Do you recollect those bankers to have produced or said they were in possession of written instructions from the house of Boyd to bid? I do not recollect their producing any such instructions, but I am pretty confident they stated themselves as wishing to bid on Mr. Boyd's behalf as well as their own.—Do you recollect the information given by Mr. Thornton? I do not particularly; I imagine Mr. Thornton must have attended either as governor or deputy-governor of the bank, that having always been the practice previous to a bidding, to refer to the governor and deputy-governor for information, if there was any doubt of the sufficiency of any of the parties that came to bid.—Did you then refer to the governor or deputy-governor as to the sufficiency of the house of Boyd? I cannot answer that from memory; but I have no doubt I referred to them on the sufficiency of the parties joined with Messrs. Strange.—Was the public money stated by you to have been entrusted to the house of Boyd for the purpose of its being remitted to the Cape of Good Hope, so entrusted to them subsequent to your refusal of the list of Messrs. Strange and co. as bidders for the loan? I believe not; but I have already said I cannot say with certainty when that offer on the part of Messrs. Strange was made.—Was the money so entrusted to the house of Boyd punctually paid? No, it was not.—Has it all been paid? I believe it has not; an extent was issued, I believe, in 1799, in order to secure the recovery of what was due.—Can you state what was the amount due at the time of issuing the extent? No, I cannot.—Can you state what is now due? No, not with certainty.—Did not the house of Strange, which offered to bid for
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Have you any reason to suppose that 20,000l. of money issued for naval services, was applied to purposes not naval, during the last treasurership of lord Melville besides the sum of 40,000l. stated to have been advanced to the house of Boyd and Be
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The examination of THOMAS RAIKES, esq.
Were you deputy-governor of the bank in the year 1796? Yes.—Who was governor? Mr. Daniel Giles; he is now dead.—Do you recollect a refusal, on the part of the bank, to make any payments upon a loan or loans contracted for by Boyd and co.? I do not exactly recollect that.—Do you recollect a notice given by the bank, of their intention to narrow their discounts about the end of the year 1795, or beginning of 1796? I remember such a circumstance, but cannot exactly state when it was.—Was such notice acted upon? Yes.—Was there any particular conduct on the part of the bank, towards the house of Boyd and co. in refusing to discount the bills of that house in the same proportion as the bank discounted bills for other mercantile houses? No; the bank told Mr. Boyd that they would discount for his house the same as they did for any other house of the most respectable situation, but Mr. Boyd required an accommodation of six times the amount which was accorded to the most respectable houses.—Did the bank, in point of fact, treat the house of Boyd as liberally as any other commercial house whatever? I believe they did, until by their own misconduct they lessened the opinion of their own credit.—About what time did the opinion of their credit begin to diminish, so as to induce the bank to alter their conduct towards them? It is impossible for me to determine that by memory, but I believe about the year 1796.—Were any representations made, or communications held with the chancellor of the exchequer, on the subject of narrowing the bank discounts? I make no doubt it was mentioned in the frequent conferences the governor and I had with the chancellor of the exchequer at that time.—Do you recollect any particular mention, in any of those conferences, of the house of Boyd and co.? No, I do not.—Do you recollect when the house of Boyd and co. failed? I do not recollect.—Was this state of the money market in August 1796, such as to have made it difficult or impossible to have discounted navy, bills or bills accepted by the East India company at short dates? It is impossible for me to recollect.—Were the difficulties of the bank considerable about the months of August, September, and October 1796? Yes, the pressure for discounts was very heavy.
The further examination of Thomas Raikes, esq.
It has been stated to the committee, that the narrowing of the bank discounts had for one object the checking of speculations sup-
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The further examination of Thomas Raikes,
Are you aware of the provisions of the act of the 25th Geo. III. cap. 31, for regulating the office of treasurer of the navy, in so far as they relate to the issues of public money to the bank for naval services? I never saw the act, or ever heard any particulars of it.—Do you know, in point of fact, that public money for naval services, is issued by the exchequer to the bank, to be drawn from thence by the treasurer of the navy or his agent, when applied to such services? Yes, I know that it is the custom of the business, and that it came to the cashier's office in the Bank.—How is it drawn from thence? I cannot speak from my own knowledge, the cashier manages all that business.—Do you know if any sums of money, paid from the exchequer into the bank, for naval services, have been drawn from the bank, and placed in the hands of private bankers? From my own knowledge, I cannot say I do know.—Has such information been given to you at any time? Yes, I believe in the year 1797.—By whom? Mr. Giles, the then late governor of the bank, told me, that Mr. Dundas, then treasurer of the navy, kept his cash, which by act of parliament he was directed to keep at the bank, at the private banking-house of Messrs. Coutts and co. I was going that day to the chancellor of the exchequer on business from the bank, and I thought it of sufficient consequence to mention the matter to him, but I called in Mr. Newland, the cashier, and asked him as to the circumstance, which he confirmed; and added, that navy bills were now paid by drafts upon Messrs. Coutts and co. instead of upon the bank, as they had formerly been. When I went up to Mr. Pitt, after the immediate object of my business from the bank was over, I did in conversation mention the circumstance to him.—Did any thing further pass? Nothing particular; I think Mr. Pitt thanked me for my information, and made no further observation.—Did Mr. Giles tell you any thing of the extent of these transactions, or when they commenced? Not that I recollect.—Had you any other conversation with the chancellor of the exchequer than the one you have now stated? None that I recollect.—Upon a point of
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The further examination of Thomas Raikes, esq.
When Mr. Giles informed you of the circumstance of the treasurer of the navy keeping his cash at a private banker's, did he throw out any hint that such money was applied for the profit of any person? No.—Did any such idea suggest itself to you, or did you at the time ever hear it, or know any thing of the matter? I cannot say but I had some suspicion of it, but nobody ever told me, nor did any thing of the kind ever come to my knowledge. Do you recollect stating any suspicion of that sort to Mr. Pitt, or throwing out any hint tending that way? As I knew nothing of that kind, I had no right to throw out suspicions.—When did you first entertain such suspicions? When Mr. Giles first mentioned it to me.
The examination of SAMUEL THORNTON,
Do you recollect applications made to the bank by the house of Boyd, to make certain advances upon a loan or loans, contracted for by that house in the years 1795 and 1796? I would premise that the loan taken in November 1795, was taken by Messrs. Boyd and co. and conjointly with Messrs. Robarts and Curtis, Goldsmid and others, from whom there was a joint application made to the bank, for advances on the said loan, in February 1796, but owing to the then state of public credit, and the situation of the bank with respect to its specie, the directors thought it prudent to restrain their engagements as much as possible; and as a principal means of so doing, and from that cause only, as far as my recollection serves, they declined advancing the progressive payments of the loan for the service of that year.—Were any subsequent applications made by the contractors in the same year, and of the same sort? Two more applications were made, the first of them in May 1796, which was declined by the bank on the grounds I have already mentioned; the next application was for an advance on a loan of seven millions and an half, which had been negotiated in April 1796, for the express purpose of funding 7,500,000l. chiefly of exchequer bills, and partly navy bills, held by the bank, and for the express purpose of relieving the bank from its advances to government, which at that time pressed heavily upon it; in consideration of the nature of this loan, and the comparative smallness of its amount, the directors consented to advance the 3d, 4th, 5th, and 6th payments, requiring the contractors to pay the 7th and
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The further examination of Samuel Thornton,
Do you know the date of the bankruptcy of the house of Boyd and Benfield? I have in my hand an extract from the Gazette, by which it appears, that Walter Boyd, Paul Benfield, and James Drummond, were bankrupts the 25th of March 1800; their certificate was dated 20th of September 1800.—Do you recollect the date of the conversation you held with Mr. Pitt, wherein you informed him you were persuaded that house would prove ultimately insolvent, when, in consequence of that conversation, he refused a bidding for the loan from parties with whom that house were avowedly joined in such bidding? By a reference to some documents since my last examination, I am enabled to ascertain, that it was subsequent to the month of July 1798; and I have reason to believe, that the gentlemen who tendered a bidding on their behalf, and were refused to be admitted as bidders, did it for the loan in the year 1799.—Were Boyd and co. contractors for any, or all the loans made between the loan of 7,500,00l. raised in spring 1796, and the loan to which you have last alluded? Conjointly with other sets of gentlemen, I believe they were.—Was the loan contracted for in April 1798 of 17,000,000l. taken by Messrs. Boyd, and did they fulfil their contracts for that loan? The contract for the loans of 1798 were, to the best of my knowledge, punctually fulfilled; and I believe Boyd and co. to have been parties to such contract.—Was the loan of April 1798 a loan by open competition? To the best of my remembrance it was.—You have stated, that the parties connected with Messrs. Boyd were refused permission to become bidders for the loan contracted for in June 1799, of 15,500,000l.; can you recollect how long previous to that bidding you mentioned to the chancellor of the exchequer your suspicions of the insolvency of Boyd's house? The situation of Messrs. Boyd and co. was made known to me in July 1798, in conse-
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The further examination of Samuel Thornton,
Had 100,000l. scrip been brought into the market in the month of September 1796, would such an addition to the scrip then upon sale have produced any, and what effect?—I think it would have increased the discount, which on the 5th of September I find to have been 15 and a half per cent; and the price of exchequer bills bearing 5 per cent. interest, to have been at 9 and a half per cent. discount: on these, or at about these terms, I suppose 100,000l. might have been sold.
The examination of GEORGE BARCLAY,
Do you know of any instance, between August 1796 and January 1798, of any victualling bill which had been regularly accepted, and presented for payment, not having been paid when so presented for want of effects?—The case happened to me in an instance of my own.—State the case? It was in a bill of 1,000l. drawn from Martinique by Mr. Desborough upon the victualling office, regularly accepted, and due the 18th February 1797, and paid without interest on the 1st of March, eleven days after it was due. When it became due, was it presented for payment, and if presented, what answer?—I presented it myself the day it became due at the victualling office, and I was told there were no effects, or to that purport, and that I must call again; I was told at the victualling office by the people there, that there were a great many bills in a similar situation; cannot say who the individuals were that gave the answer. Do you know of any navy bills due, not having been paid when presented for payment within the period alluded to?—I cannot speak from my own knowledge, I have not the least doubt of the fact. Did you call between the 18th of February and the 1st of March?—I sent one of my clerks two or three times, and received the same answer, till the 1st of March.
The examination of ABRAHAM GOLDSMID,
Were you one of the contractors for the loan which was made in November 1795? I think I was; I am almost sure I was; but I cannot speak positively.—Can you recollect the number of instalments, and the periods at which the instalments were to be paid? Most assuredly not.—Do you recollect what was the state of the money market in August 1796. It is impossible to recol-
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The examination of GEORGE SWAFFIELD,
What are you? Cashier of the victualling in the navy pay office.—Do you know any thing of any bill accepted by the commissioners of the victualling office, and presented for payment when due, not having been paid at the office when so presented, between August 1796 and January 1798? I do not recollect any such circumstance, if the bill was complete.—What is the meaning of the bill being "complete?" That the bill might be accepted by the board, but not assigned by them for want of money.—What is the meaning of "not assigned for want of money?" The money not having been is sued from the exchequer to the treasurer of the navy for the payment of it.—On what head of account at the bank would the assignment of a bill upon the victualling office be made? On the head of victualling.—Is that class or head of payment distinct from the bill and payment office? It is so distinct, that I have never any cash at the bank but under that head of victualling.—Did it frequently happen that bills accepted were not assigned for want of money? I have known many instances of it.—Did such instances occur frequently between the month of August 1796 and January 1798? Most probably they did; I cannot pretend to say, without my books of accounts.—By reference to these books of accounts, can you discover what number of bills due, and presented, were not paid within the periods alluded to, because they had not been assigned for want of money? No, I cannot myself, but I could learn it from the victualling board.—Do you apprehend it can be ascertained by reference to documents in the victualling office? Certainly.—Would the assignment of accepted bills have been delayed, if a balance under that head of issue appeared in the books of the commissioners of victualling to be at that time in the hands of the treasurer of the navy? I believe not, that belongs to
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The further examination of George Swaffield,
[Mr. Swaffield delivered in an account of money, &c. received and paid by the treasurer of the navy, on the head of—"victualling;"—from the 1st to the 14th April 1805.]
The examination of THOMAS RIPPON,
What are you? One of the cashiers of the bank.—What have you brought, in obedience to the order of the committee? An extract from the books from the bank of England, of all drafts paid to the order of Alexander Trotter, esquire, as paymaster of the navy pay office, dated in the months of August, September, and October 1796.—[Extract read.]—How many years was you clerk in the drawing office at the bank, where all drafts passed by the navy pay office were paid? From the year 1782 to 1803.—Do you believe that any drafts from the paymaster were, during that time, ever paid by the bank, without such drafts having expressed a service on which they were drawn; and more particularly since the year 1786, when a regulation was made by law on that subject? I am clearly of opinion that there never were any, and particularly since the act passed.—If there had, would you have known it? They did not all past through my hands; such a thing may have happened, as it was impossible that an account of that magnitude could have been conducted free from error; but they were never so passed, except in error.—Do you know, or have you heard from other clerks in the bank, of any instance in which such drafts, were passed without specifying the service? I never recollect an instance myself, nor do I ever remember to have heard any report of such a thing happening from any other clerk.—Is it usual in the bank of England to destroy books and other vouchers when they become useless, and no longer necessary to be kept? During my service in the bank, I recollect two instances which have occurred, when books and useless papers, or such as may have been thought so, have either been sold as waste paper or burnt, to save them from the public eye:—Do you know the
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The examination of JOHN SPOTTISWOODE,
Where you in partnership with your late father? Yes.—Do you recollect any thing relating to the instrument in your hand? I recollect the preparation of it, and being witness to Mr. Trotter's signature.—Were you concerned for lord Melville, as well as Mr. Trotter, in framing that instrument? The instrument was prepared by the desire of Mr. Trotter, and I conceive the expence of it was paid one-half by each party, but I do not think there was any communication between lord Melville and us on this subject.—Were you in the habit of doing business for lord Melville? Yes.—Who gave the instructions for the instrument? Mr. Trotter.—Who settled it? It was given into Mr. Trotter's hands, as far as I recollect.—Was any counsel applied to? None, I believe.—Is the clause to cancel and destroy vouchers a usual clause in instruments of this nature? I do not recollect any such clause in any release which I have seen, but I have had very little opportunity of seeing releases of this nature.—Do you recollect any particular instructions relative to that clause? No.—Do you know at whose suggestion it was inserted? No.—Were you present always when instructions were given relative to this instrument? I do not recollect, but I rather believe not.
The examination of DAVID ROBERTSON,
Were you in partnership with the late Mr. Spottiswoode? I was.—How many years have you been in business? Seventeen years his clerk; and partner about two years before he died.—Do you know any thing of the instrument in your hand? I have some recollection of it.—Do you recollect instructions being given for the preparation of that
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The examination of the right hon. lord HARROWBY;
When did your lordship become treasurer of the navy? In June or July 1800.—On coming into office, or at any time alter, did you discover that irregularities in the payment of public money had taken place in that office, and were then practised? As this office was regulated by a variety of acts of parliament which had been brought in by my immediate predecessor, and, as I had been myself a member of the committee of the house of commons, appointed in 1797 to make enquiries respecting various public offices, which committee had not discovered or reported any irregularity in the conduct of that particular office, I had no reason whatever to suppose that any irregularities existed; at a subsequent period, but at what period I am at present unable to recollect, the particular practice to which I imagine the question alludes was brought to my notice.—In what manner was your notice called to that practice? I really cannot, at this distance of time, state with any accuracy.—Will you be so good as to state the practice? The practice, as I understood it, was this: instead of drawing money out of the bank for each individual payment, or drawing it into the hands of the cashiers to be placed in the iron chest, or to be sent to the clerks of the out-ports, to be paid afterwards to such persons as had demands for na-
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The examination of JOHN SWAFFIELD, esq.
What are you? I am deputy paymaster of the navy.—Have you the superintendance of the pay branch of the navy? Yes.—Are you at all times acquainted with the state of the balances in the bank, or in the hands of the paymaster, applicable to that particular branch? I know monthly the state of the bank balance.—Could any sum of money be diverted from the service of the pay branch, without such circumstance coming to your knowledge? I do not know of any thing further than that I receive occasionally from the paymaster the sums necessary for carrying on the service of the pay branch.—Do you officially, and at stated periods, check the expenditure in that branch, with the monthly returns of what are called the bank balances, applicable to that branch? I make out monthly, what we call a balance sheet, which shews the receipts and payments of the pay branch, and the balances remaining in each person's hands officially.—Did it ever occur in the course of your experience, that what is called the bank balance, proved less than could be accounted for by the expenditure in the pay branch? Not to my knowledge.—Could such a circumstance have taken place without your knowledge, unless a false return had been made by some person in some department? I had no knowledge actually of the bank balance.—Did you not receive, and have you not before stated, that you did receive official and periodical returns of the state of such balance? I mean to say, that I call upon the paymaster to know what sums have been received from the exchequer for the month for which we are making up the accounts; then I state my receipts and payments, and likewise the receipts and payments at the out-ports, by which I know what money has been issued from the bank for the pay branch; and, stating each separate balance with the chief clerk of all the ports, it appears what the bank balance should be.—Are you acquainted also officially, and periodically, with the issues from the exchequer to the bank? That is taken into our monthly certificate.—In point of fact, then, the balance paper ought to exhibit an accurate account of money issued from the exchequer to the bank on account of the pay branch, of money issued from the bank on the same account, and of the expenditure of such money? Yes; it should.—Are the balance papers, or copies of them preserved? I do not know.—To whom do you deliver
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The further examination of John Swaffield,
Explain the entry from the paper in your hand, being an account of the receipts and payments between the 1st and 31st of January 1798, in the treasurership of the right hon. Henry Dundass; viz. of "transfer to the victualling branch," to replace the like sum transferred from thence to "wages" in March 1797, of £.8,995. 13. 6.; does the word "wages" in that entry mean pay branch? Yes it does.—By whose order was the original transfer from the pay branch to the victualling branch made? I do not know.
The further examination of John Swaffield,
What have you in your hand? The certificate book, from the 1st to the 31st of March 1797.—[Book produced.]
The examination of JAMES DRUMMOND, esq.
Were you partner in the firm of Boyd and Benfield? I was, but not precisely on the same footing as the other partners; the house of Boyd and Benfield was established in the month of March 1793. I became concerned with them on the 1st of January 1794, and was announced to the correspondents of the house as a partner, but as between ourselves it was agreed, in consideration of my share of the profits being comparatively small, that I should be exempted from any participation of loss in the years in which a
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The further examination of James Drummond,
Is that book in your hand the cash-book of August 1798, of Boyd and Benfield? Yes.—Can you point out in the books before you, the entry of the sum advanced to Mr. Boyd of 40,000l. in the year 1796, by lord Melville, or Anonymous, which you may conclude to have been such advance upon the security of East India company bills and other public securities? It appears by an entry in the cash book of 9th September 1796, that bills to the amount of 11,828l. 11s. 9d. on the East India Company; to the amount of 5,041l. 1s. 8d. on the treasury; a further sum of 11,000l. on the treasury; and 12,834l. 8s. 2d. on the victualling office, making together the sum of 40,704l. 1s. 7d. were delivered to Mr. Boyd to discount, or raise money upon them; that Mr. Boyd accordingly paid to the house on account there-
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The further examination of James Drummond,
[Delivers in a copy of the entry of 9th and 10th September 1796, from the books of the house of Boyd and Benfield, which was read]—Was there any instalment payable on the loan of seven millions and an half in the month of September 1796, and on what day? I believe that an instalment of 15 per cent. became due on the loan of seven millions and a half, either on the 9th or 11th day of Sep-
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The examination of THOMAS LLOYD, esq.
Do you know whether Mr. Benfield bought an estate at Shaftesbury in the year 1796? There was an estate that belonged to Mr. Briant put up to sale by Mr. Christie, and I think some weeks before the general election in 1796; it was purchased by Mr. Mills, and to the best of my recollection, the deposit money paid was about 2,000l. paid by Mr. Mills. At the general election Mr. Mills and Mr. Dawson stood in opposition to Mr. Benfield, and finding that the estate they had purchased was not equal to the representation made by Mr. Christie, and they having not succeeded in their election, Mr. Mills was desirous of getting rid of his contract, and Mr. Benfield agreed to stand in his place as to the purchase. The assignment of the contract was prepared by me, and executed at my house; and at the time of executing the contract the deposit paid by Mr. Mills was repaid by Mr. Benfield by draft on his own
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The examination of OSBORN STANDERT,
Have at any time to your knowledge, navy bills properly accepted, and presented for payment when due, been refused for want of effects in the treasurer's hands to pay them, or for any other cause? Certainly not to my knowledge.—Have you ever known an assignment of navy bill or bills delayed for want of effects in the hands of the treasurer of the navy, or for any other cause? No.
The examination of lord GLENBERVIE, the
Were you a lord of the treasury in May 1800? I was.—Your name appears as having been present at a board of treasury held on the 29th of May 1800, to which board was submitted a statement of the case of Mr. Adam Jellicoe; have you any recollection of what passed at that board relative to that case? I have no recollection of what passed at that board, nor indeed, in having been present at it.—Were you in the habit of keeping minutes or memorandums of the transactions of the treasury boards at which you assisted, whilst you were a lord of the treasury? No.—Have you any recollection of any transactions relative to the case of Mr. Adam Jellicoe, or of any reference to any board of treasury at which you assisted during the time you were a lord of the treasury, relative to that case; or have you any knowledge or information of any sort relative to that case? I have no recollection of any transaction relative to that case, of any reference to the board; nor have I any knowledge or information of any sort, except what I may have collected from a very cursory and slight perusal of what is stated in the tenth report relative to that matter; and instead of having any recollection relative to what may have passed at, or been referred to, the board of treasury, relative to that business, my firm persuasion is, as far as my recollection can carry me, that I never had any knowledge of any sort regarding the transaction, or any thing that can bear in relation to it; I do not believe I ever heard the name of Jellicoe, or any thing respecting him, in any way, till about the time of the tenth report being presented to the house, or printed.—How long were you a lord of the treasury? From the month of February 1797 towards the end of 1800.—Whilst in office, did you regularly
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The examination of the right hon. GEORGE
Were you secretary to the treasury in the year 1800? I was.—Do you recollect having submitted to the board a statement of the case of Mr. Adam Jellicoe, on the 29th of May 1800? I perfectly recollect the statement, and by reference to the minutes, I find it was on the 29th of May.—To what minute did you refer for that information?—To one printed in the tenth report, which I take for granted is accurate.—How are the minutes of the treasury board kept? In books, as I apprehend all other minutes are kept.—Do you recollect who were the lords present that day? I have no recollection, without reference to the minutes. I have no doubt Mr. Pitt was present, because business of that importance could not be decided in his absence.—How many members constitute a board of treasury? Three.—Is it usual, or does it ever happen, that the names of lords of the treasury, who are not present, are entered on the minute book as being present? It is not usual, but I will not say it may not have happened when lords may have previously perused, and approved of the matter to be decided on. It may have happened on other occasions, but it is not the common practice of the treasury. When I say the lords may have previously perused and approved it, I mean to confine it to the first lord; it was the practice, in many cases, to submit papers of importance to the deliberative and attentive consideration of the first lord, before they were brought to the board; and, in many cases, to circulate such papers to the junior lords previously.—Did it ever happen that papers were circulated for the signature of the junior lords, when such lords had not been present at the deliberations upon the matters to which such papers referred? I have no doubt but it very often did.—Was it your business, as secretary to the treasury, to investigate the truth of the statements submitted by you to the board on the 29th of May 1800, and to verify the account therein contained? I have felt it my duty upon all occasions, when I was at the board, respecting matters of importance, to inform my self
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The examination of JOSEPH WHITE, esq.
It appears by your evidence before the commissioners of naval enquiry, that you were employed by the treasurer of the navy to recover a debt due to him from the estate of Adam Jellicoe, at what time did you receive your instructions to proceed in that business? On or about the 28th of August 1789; I was employed by Mr. Trotter.—You stated, that you debited the treasurer of the navy in your books for the expences attending that business; did you consider him as your private debtor for such expences, or did you debit him in virtue of his office, and as for a transaction belonging to the public? I considered myself as employed by him in the capacity of treasurer of the navy, and that I was at liberty to deduct the expences out of the money I recovered, which I did.—Did you then consider it as a public transaction? I did.—By your evidence before the commissioners of naval enquiry, it appears that you had not proceeded in such business since the year 1792 or 1793, what has been the reason of your not proceeding since that period? I received no directions to proceed, and I did not conceive that there was any of Mr. Jellicoe's property that could be recovered; and I beg to add, that there were some patents respecting the making of iron in a particular way, for the purchase of which many offers had been made, but I never could get any person finally to agree as a purchaser.—Were all the proceeds usually had under writs of extent or under writs of diem clausit extremum, put in force by you against the heirs or executors of Mr. Adam Jellico; and was every part of his property taken possession of on the part of the crown in the way usual under such writs? I think they were whenever there was a probability of getting any thing by virtue of such process.—Did you take upon you to judge of such probability, or did you state the case to, and take the judgment of any other person? I certainly did not judge entirely myself; I had many conversations with Mr. Trotter upon the subject, and from thence, and my own judgment, I formed my opinion.—Had you ever any communication of any sort with Lord Melville on the subject? I think I never had.—Is it usual with you, after having received instructions to proceed on the part of the public, to stop such proceedings without special order, and for want of special directions, to continue process from time to time? Certainly not, as solicitor of the treasury, or to the auditors, or to other boards.—How came you then to stop proceedings in the case of Jellicoe, without such
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The further examination of Joseph White, esq.
When did you first know of the writ of privy seal having issued? I think not until the enquiry before the naval commissioners took place.—You state that you had sufficient instructions to proceed, but in the former part of your evidence, that you waited for special orders; from whom did you expect to receive such orders; From Mr. Trotter.—Did you understand that he had taken upon himself to examine into the state of the property that was recoverable? Yes, I did understand he had, and had employed people for the purpose.—Was that your reason for not proceeding without his direction? I cannot say that it was.—Did you make any agreement with Mr. Samuel Jellicoe for the payment of 4,000l. by instalments? No, I did not.—Did you consider yourself charged with the duties of receiver with respect to the items of Mr. Jellicoe's estate, or only charged with conducting the law proceedings with respect to the same? Only charged with conducting the law proceedings; I did receive money, but I paid it over as soon as I had received it.—Did you consider it your duty to see that the annual payments arising from the estate were regularly discharged? No.—In whose hands did you conceive that duty rested? Mr. Trotter's.—Why did not the sale of the freehold at Gosport take place, and why was the rent of 100l. a year preferred to the actual sale of the premises? It was because I received no special directions for the purpose; and I beg leave to add, that such an order may now be obtained, and the rents be recovered.
The examination of CHARLES BICKNELL,
Are you solicitor to the admiralty? I am.—Do you in the common course of business manage all legal transactions respecting public money on the part of the admiralty, the navy pay-office, and the different boards attached thereto? I do.—Had you at any time any instructions relative to a writ of extent, and a writ of diem clausit extremum, issued against Mr. Adam Jellico, sometime deputy paymaster of the navy, on the part of the treasurer of the navy, or his paymaster? I believe that transaction took place prior to my being appointed solicitor to the admiralty. I was appointed on the 1st of March 1796.—Who preceded you as solicitor of the admiralty? Mr. Dyson.—Is he dead? No; he resides at Margate.—Did Mr. Dyson deliver to you, upon your appointment as solicitor to the admiralty, all the papers and other documents relative to
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The examination of CHARLES INNIS, esq.
What is your situation in Scotland? Writer to the signet.—What are the duties of that situation? I act as solicitor, attorney, and conveyancer.—Is it usual, in settling accounts between parties in Scotland, mutually to deliver up or destroy the vouchers or documents upon which such settlement takes place? It is usual mutually to deliver up the vouchers, but not to destroy.—Is it usual in any release that takes place between the parties upon such settlement, to refer in the body of the release, to the vouchers so delivered up or destroyed. The release generally bears, that the vouchers have been mutually delivered up, but nothing said about destroying.—Have you seen a clause of the nature of that contained in the release now in your hand? I have seen a clause bearing that the vouchers have been mutually delivered up, but I never saw one by which it was agreed mutually to cancel and destroy the vouchers.—For what legal purpose is reference in releases introduced to the vouchers having been mutually delivered up? I believe it is more owing to the anxiety of parties than necessary in itself.—Is it to make the release supersede in point of legal effect all preceding instruments? I should think so.—Supposing a release to be executed between parties at the time remote from each other, is it unusual, according to the practice of Scotland, to covenant that that should be done by the parties, namely, that all vouchers should be delivered up or destroyed which is referred to in releases as actually done by parties settling accounts on the spot together? In the case put, there is generally an obligation inserted in the release or discharge, obliging the parties afterwards mutually to deliver up the vouchers.—Under the term vouchers, do you mean to comprehend account books kept by the parties? I do not.—Did you ever know an instance where, upon the settlement of accounts between parties, account books have been deli-
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The further examination of Charles Innis, esq.
[Delivers in a letter.]—In your letter, you have stated that you wished to add to your evidence, given before this committee, to the words "I never did" (May 17) the following words:—"On recollection, I have known some instances of a factor or steward delivering up his account books to his employer;" do you mean thereby to state that you have known account books kept by an agent, with several employers, to have been delivered up to any one of his employers, on the settlement of his account with such employer? I do not.
The examination of CHARLES SMALL PYBUS,
Were you a lord of the treasury in the month of May 1800? I was.—Do you recollect to have been present at a board of treasury on the 29th of May 1800, when a statement was submitted by Mr. Rose to that board of a debt due to the treasurer of the navy by Mr. Adam Jellicoe? I do recollect the circumstances relative to the deficiency of Mr. Jellicoe having come under the consideration of the board; the precise day on which it did so I cannot so clearly recollect; but I take it for granted that a copy of the minute, published in the tenth report, is accurate as to date.—Who prepares the minutes of the treasury board? Sometimes one of the four senior clerks, if the secretaries happen by any accident not to be present.—Is it usual to put down the names of lords who are not present? It is;
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The examination of the right hon. JOHN SMYTH,
Were you a lord of the treasury in May 1800? Yes.—Do you recollect to have been present at a board of treasury, held on the 29th of May in that year, to which Mr. Rose submitted a statement of a debt due to the treasurer of the navy, from Mr. Adam Jellicoe? I do not recollect that I was present on that day, but I see by the tenth report I was, and I have no doubt of it.—
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The examination of JOHN MARSH, esq. taken
Do you recollect in February, 1797, a victualling bill for 1,000l. drawn from Mr. George Desborough, from Martinique, and payable to T. Marcarty and co. to be presented by Mr. Barclay at the victualling office for payment? I have no other recollection of the circumstance than what is recently come to my knowledge.—State the circumstances? A bill of exchange for 1000l. drawn by Mr. George Desborough, was ordered on the 6th of February 1797, to be accepted from the time it was left, and became due on the 18th of February; on the 9th of February the victualling board wrote for 17,000l. for the payment of bills of exchange, in which sum the bill in question was included; on the 25th of February 47,000l. was received in part of the sum applied for, and on the same day the above bill, with many others, were assigned for payment, and immediately ready for delivery; it was delivered on the 1st of March following to Mr. Barclay, who might have had it, as I am informed, in time for payment, on the 25th of February, had he applied for it. I received this information from the accomptant; I knew nothing of the transaction myself.—Did the accomptant officially report these circumstances for your information as a commissioner of the board? As a commissioner of the board, at my desire; I was not then a member of the board at the time the transaction took place.—Have you ever known payment delayed, or refused, on any victualling bill actually assigned by the commissioners of the victualling board on the treasurer of the navy? No; the bills are never, to the best of my recollection, assigned till we know there are monies ready in the hands of the treasurer of the navy to discharge them.—Have assignments ever been delayed to your knowledge, on account of the want of money in the hands of the treasurer of the navy to cover such assignments? The account which is preparing, in answer to the precept of this committee, directed to the victualling board,
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The examination of ABRAHAM NEWLAND,
[Delivers in a paper of the dates of loans of 1795 and 1796.]—Do you recollect at any time to be informed, that lord Melville, as treasurer of the navy, kept his cash at a private banking-house instead of the bank? I certainly knew that the cash, or part of the cash, was removed from the bank to Messrs. Coutts, but the reason for so doing I really cannot tell.—Was it a large part of his cash he kept at his private bankers? I really cannot tell, but I apprehend at some times it must have been very considerable.—Can you form any opinion as to the amount at any particular time? I really cannot.—How did the circumstance come to your knowledge? The clerks of the bank frequently told me, that at the navy pay office they received drafts for the payment of navy bills upon the house of Messrs. Coutts and co. instead upon the bank.—Did you communicate the information you had obtained to any body? I have occasionally mentioned it to the directors.—Do you recollect to which of the directors? I do not; there have been generally several present when I have mentioned it.—Do you recollect any conversation with Mr. Giles, or Mr. Raikes, upon the subject? I do not immediately charge my memory with that.—Do you know how long the practice had prevailed? I do not recollect that; it is a good many years back.—Do you remember being called into the bank parlour, and asked by Mr. Raikes what was your knowledge of this practice? I do not recollect that I was, nor did I ever hear Mr. Raikes speak on this subject till after the tenth report came out: I do not remember that he ever did.—Did you know that a representation of the subject had been made to the chancellor of the exchequer by Mr. Raikes? Mr. Raikes did mention it to me since the tenth report came out.—Did you know it before the tenth report came out? No.—In your opinion, on the 9th of September 1796, was any of the securities shewn to you in the paper, securities that the bank of England would have discounted? I should have supposed that the bank would have discounted the bills in question, unless some particular circumstance had prevented it; they might have been refused, if the person presenting them had large discounts.—Do you think they were securities, that, generally speaking, were discountable in the money market, or on which money could have been obtained? Yes.—
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The examination of Sir ANDREW SNAPE HAMMOND,
Have you known any transfer to take place of monies from one branch of navy service to another? I have not, except in one instance.—State what that instance was? In March 1797, 80,000l. had been issued from the treasury, which had been intended to be equally divided between the navy and the victualling department; but the treasurer having certified 48,000l. and a fraction to the victualling board, and the remainder only to the navy board, the latter wrote to the victualling board to desire they would transfer the overplus of the moiety to the pay branch for seamen's wages, under the direction of the navy board.—Has the treasure of the navy, of his own authority, any power of making such transfer? Certainly not; and, as a proof of it, if either of the departments require to have balances which stands under the heads of service under their controul, the same is done by a letter from that board.—Was the transfer in question made by the victualling board, upon the application of the navy board to correct what they understood had been an error in the paymaster, in carrying the directions and intentions of the treasury into execution? Yes it was.—Can you describe the manner in which the funds issued to the respective naval branches are regulated and applied by the commissioners of each branch? The paper I now deliver in to the committee will shew the various heads of service under Which the accounts are kept, and whenever the boards find the balances under either of the heads of service more than they deem sufficient for the prospective service, they direct the treasurer by letter to transfer specific sums from one head of service to the other; but the treasurer has no authority whatever to take from one balance and carry it to another on his own authority.—Do you mean to state that the transfer takes place by order of the board from one head of service within the same branch to another, or from one
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APPENDIX.
Appendix (A.)—
Report of conference with the lords, on the subject of permitting lord Melville to be examined, 13th May 1805.
Appendix (B.)—
Letter from Mr. Drummond to the chairman of the committee; in explanation of evidence, dated Thursday, 16th May, 1805.
Sir,—In order to prevent any misconstruction which may possibly arise from verbal inaccuracy in my answers of yesterday, I request that the words
for account of
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Appendix (C.)—
Letter from Mr. Innis to the chairman of the committee, in explanation of evidence, dated No. 18, Suffolk-street, 20th 
 May, 1805.
Sir,—On examining my evidence yesterday, and reconsidering the questions, I find I have not been so accurate or explicit in my answers as I wished to have been. I therefore hope the committee will have the goodness to permit me to amend and explain them.—In page civ, the words "
but not to destroy
but nothing said about destroying
I believe more, &c
I never did
I think it would
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Appendix (D.)—
Letter from the commissioners of the navy to the chairman, concerning books and documents respecting bills due, &c. dated Navy-office, 14th May, 1805.
Sir,—In answer to the precept of the hon. the committee of the house of commons of yesterday's date, we have the honour to state to you, for the information of the committee, that there are no books or documents in this office which shew that any bills, due at any time, have been delayed either to be paid, or to be assigned for payment from the want of money in the hands of the treasurer. We are, sir, &c.
A. S. Hamond, F. J. Hartwell, H. Legge.
Appendix (E.)—
Extract from the cash book of Boyd, Benfield, and co.
Appendix (F.)—
Writs of privy seal, from the year 1760 to the present time, for passing and auditing of public accounts, and for discharging of accountants, dated Privy Seal Office, 18th May 1805.
George Grenville, esq Accounts to be passed.
His majesty's warrant to the commissioners of the treasury, chamberlains, and barons of the exchequer, and to the auditors of the imprest now and for the time being, and to all other officers of the exchequer, to pass and audit the accounts of George Grenville, esq. treasurer of the navy, of all sum and sums of money which he hath received, or shall receive, for the service of his majesty's navy royal and marine affairs, notwithstanding any preceding accounts of former treasurers may not be passed; and the commissioners of the navy are to examine the ledger books of the said accounts, and, if need be, to correct the same, and subscribe every page thereof which shall be allowed by the auditors and other officers of his majesty's exchequer. Dated May 1761.
Lord Barrington. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for lord Barrington's accounts to be passed. Dated 15th July 1762.
Lord Howe. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for lord Howe's accounts to be passed. Dated 4th Dec. 1765.
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Sir Gilbert Elliot, bart. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for sir Gilbert Elliot's, bart. accounts to be passed. Dated April 1770.
Welbore Ellis, esq. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for Welbore Ellis, esq.'s accounts to be passed. Dated 12th July 1777.
The right hon. Issac Barré. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for the right hon. Isaac Barré's accounts to be passed. Dated May 1782.
Henry Dundas, esq. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for Henry Dundas, esq.'s accounts to be passed. Dated 10th Oct. 1782.
Right hon. Chas. Townshend. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for the right hon. Charles Townshend's accounts to be passed. Dated April 1783.
Henry Dundas, esq. Accounts to be passed.
A similar warrant for the Henry Dundas, esq.'s accounts to be passed. Dated 28th Jan. 1784.
Lord Grenville, to be discharged from a certain sum issued to him for secret service.
His majesty's warrant to the commissioners of the treasury, chamberlains, and other officers of the exchequer, now and for the time being, to exonerate and discharge William Wyndham lord Grenville, his executors, administrators, and assigns, of and from the sum of 2,036l. 7s. 6d. part of the sum of 5,363l. issued to him from the exchequer for secret service abroad, but which never came to his hands, William Vernon, the person usually employed to receive monies at the exchequer, having absconded therewith. Dated 31st Jan. 1800.
Right hon. Henry Dundas. Discharge.
His majesty's warrant to the commissioners of the treasury, chancellor, and under treasurer, chamberlains, and other officers and ministers of the exchequer, now and for the time being, directing and commanding that the right hon. Henry Dundas, treasurer of the navy, his executors, administrators, and assigns, be exonerated and discharged from accounting for the sum of 24,846l. 6s. 6¼d. due from the late Adam Jellicoe to the public. Dated 21st May 1800.
Appendix (G.)—
Half-pay to officers of his majesty's navy, paid in the second treasurship of lord Melville. New account.
Appendix (H.)—
A list of the dates of the payments on the loan negociated in Nov. or Dec.
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Appendix (I.)—
Release between lord Melville and Mr. Trotter, Feb. 1803.
To all and sundry to Whom these presents shall come: we the right hon. Henry Baron Dunira lord viscount Melville, some time treasurer of his majesty's navy, and Alexander Trotter, esq. of Dreghorn, paymaster of his majesty's navy, send greeting. Whereas, for several years past, there have been sundry accounts, reckonings, and money transactions depending between us, the account of which have lately been examined, adjusted, and agreed upon between us, and upon such examination, settlement, and adjustment, there remained a balance due from the said Alexander Trotter to the aforesaid lord viscount Melville, of 1,580l. 11s. 1d. sterling money, with which final examination, statement, and adjustment, both parties declare themselves perfectly satisfied, and do hereby approve of and ratify the same: and they have either mutually delivered up to each other, or resolved and agreed mutually to cancel and destroy all the vouchers or other memorandums and writings, that at any time heretofore may have existed, passed, or been interchanged between them relative to the said accounts, and the different items and articles of which the said accounts are composed or consist; and they have further resolved and agreed, mutually to release and discharge each other up to the day of the date of these presents, for now and ever: therefore, the aforesaid right hon. Henry lord viscount Melville, for and in consideration of what is above mentioned, and also for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings of lawful money of Great Britain to him in hand well and truly paid by the aforesaid Alexander Trotter, the receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge; hath, under the reservation and saving hereinafter-mentioned, remised, released, and for ever discharged, and doth by these presents, for himself, his heirs, executors, administrators, and successors whatsoever, remise, release, and for ever discharge the aforesaid Alexander Trotter, his heirs, executors, administrators, and successors whatsoever, of and from all and all manner of action and actions, cause and causes of action and actions, suits, debts, dues, sum and sums of money, accounts, reckonings, bonds, bills, notes, specialties, covenants, contracts, controversies, agreements, promises, variances, damages, judgments, extents, executions, claims and demands whatsoever, in law and equity, which against the said Alexander Trotter he, the said lord
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Thomas Pocknall
MELVILLE.
(L.S.)
Thomas Mathews
ALEX. TROTTER.
(L.S.)
Signed, sealed, and delivered by the said Alexander Trotter (being first duly stamped) in the presence of us, witnesses thereto.
Thomas Wilson. John Spottiswoode.
Appendix(K.)—
An extract from the books of the bank of England of all drafts paid to the order of Alexander Trotter, esq. as paymaster of the navy pay office, dated in the months of August, September, and October 1796
Appendix (L.)—Account of money, &c. received and paid by the treasurer of his majesty's navy, on the hend of "Victualling,"
from the 1st to the 14th of April 1805
Appendix (M.)—
Receipts and payments between the 1st and 31st January 1798; the right hon. Henry Dundas, treasurer
Appendix (N.)—
Treasury minute respecting paymaster and treasurer of the navy, Friday 3d March 1797
Appendix (O.)—
Scheme. Applicable balances in the hands of the treasurer of the navy
Appendix (P.)—
Letter from the commissioners of victualling, introducing the three following accounts of victualling bills which became due in 1796, 1797, and 1798, but which were not paid on the days they respectively became due, dated Victualling Office, 20th May 1805
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Appendix (P. 1.)—
An account of
which became due in the year 1796, but which were not paid on the days they respectively became due, on account of their not being assigned for want of money; shewing the amount of each bill, the day on which it was due, the day on which it appears money was received for its payment, and the day on which the assignments for payment took place. Dated Victualling Office,20th May 1805.
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1796.
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14
7
3 June
6 June
9 June
1,219
6
9
4 May
7 May
10 May
318
6
4
5 —
400
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4 —
32
6
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2 —
69
10
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36
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3
3 —
21
10
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100
1
11
5 —
21
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6
2 —
13
10
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5 —
8
17
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6
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6
12
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3
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10
13
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12
12
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9
6
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3
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10
18
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4 —
217
10
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31
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3 —
23
8
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3
3
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5 —
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17
5
5 June
6 June
8 June
200
—
—
24 Nov.
10 Dec.
12 Dec.
9
15
2
2 Oct.
5 Oct.
7 Oct.
17
12
6
1 —
54
13
—
2 —
131
10
—
1 —
35
—
—
2 —
52
—
—
44
—
—
10
12
—
20
6
3
13
10
—
5
16
—
10
10
—
15
8
—
83
6
8
3 —
70
7
6
44
16
—
4 —
70
—
—
60
—
—
28
4
8
cxx
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1796.
14
2
4
1 Oct
40
5
2
2 —
22
9
9
34
10
—
36
6
—
12
2
8
4 —
70
—
—
106
—
—
3 —
5 Oct.
7 Oct.
8
17
10
1,000
—
—
1 —
500
—
—
3 —
332
6
9
4 —
188
18
1
304
18
8
8
19
1
37
12
6
13 Dec.
24 Dec.
26 Dec.
94
12
11
20
18
—
35
11
—
120
—
—
216
8
—
23
8
—
85
1
7
15 —
297
6
4
18 —
15
6
2
17 —
163
12
6
18 —
27
1
2
17 —
9
13
4
15
15
4
15 —
67
10
—
17 —
5
16
—
15 —
7
5
—
14
10
—
31
7
2
17 —
64
14
—
23
6
8
144
—
—
15 —
70
—
—
17 —
320
6
1
14 —
10
5
5
17 —
51
11
8
38
4
—
15 —
80
—
—
14 —
165
8
—
68
2
10
17 —
76
13
—
83
2
3
7
15
6
18 —
24 —
26 —
94
11
10
17 —
495
—
—
288
11
—
15 —
195
18
—
18 —
707
15
8
58
10
8
8 —
10 —
12 —
16
9
7
7 —
31
5
—
11 —
24 —
26 —
8
—
—
5 —
10 —
12 —
cxxi
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1796.
101
15
4
20 Dec.
24 Dec.
26 Dec.
384
8
4
19 —
17
8
—
11
13
4
63
12
—
21 —
19
15
—
19 —
25
14
3
1,000
—
—
21 —
1,000
—
—
500
—
—
11 —
15
15
—
19 —
37
2
9
2,500
—
—
18 —
2,000
—
—
1,500
—
—
1,200
—
—
900
—
—
851
6
—
300
—
—
1,100
—
—
700
—
—
16
7
9
747
9
3
22 —
105
—
—
15 —
71
12
9
23
16
8
18 —
19
16
—
70
4
3
17 —
57
10
—
70
—
—
15 —
12
2
8
17 —
24 —
26 —
26
11
—
14 —
26
6
—
140
—
—
22 —
44
9
—
148
11
1
204
1
3
129
1
3
9 —
10
10
—
19 —
26
12
—
20 —
7
—
—
20
—
—
19 —
22
—
—
21 —
655
10
—
18 —
68
6
8
21 —
2,398
11
2
7 —
10 —
12 —
60
—
—
22 —
24 —
26 —
24 —
20
6
3
4 Jan.
8 5 3
12 Jan.
239
16
9
72
—
11
17 Dec.
24 Dec.
26 Dec.
210
11
10
11 Jan.
12 Jan.
12 Jan.
cxxii
Appendix(P. 2.)—
An account of
which became due in the year 1797, but which were not paid on the days they respectively became due, on account of their not being assigned for want of money; shewing the amount of each bill; the day on which it was due; the day on which it appears money was received for its payment; and the day on which the assignments for payment took place. Dated Victualling Office, 20th May 
 1805
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
24 Dec.
20
6
3
4 Jan.
8 5 3
13 Jan.
100
—
—
10 —
12 —
67
10
—
11 —
38
12
—
210
11
10
173
11
2
23 Dec.
16
—
—
10 Jan.
8
8
—
11 —
8
—
—
10 —
100
—
—
801
—
—
15 Feb.
25 Feb.
25 Feb.
960
—
—
46
5
—
2,555
—
5
1,239
15
11
12 —
99
4
—
7
4
—
13 —
343
4
—
12 —
16
12
—
11 —
20
5
3
28
2
—
71
17
6
9
8
2
149
6
8
11 Jan.
12 Jan.
13 Jan.
744
16
9
13 Feb.
25 Feb.
25 Feb.
9
19
5
65
15
7
14 —
45
13
—
15 —
24
4
—
45
13
—
110
—
—
22
5
—
48
2
6
70
4
—
15
11
—
15
11
—
5
12
9
72
9
2
52
10
—
16 —
3
15
6
5
—
—
1,257
10
—
21 —
25 —
25 —
481
18
4
20 —
cxxiii
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
401
14
9
18 Feb.
2,000
—
—
20 —
2,000
—
—
300
—
—
757
10
—
21 —
1,000
—
—
20 —
67
7
9
22 —
27
12
—
23 —
107
8
1
32
19
9
8
14
—
22 —
244
19
—
56
—
—
31
—
—
20 —
21
5
—
21 —
34
10
8
29
2
5
16
2
8
29
4
—
32
10
4
72
1
8
22 —
57
10
—
14 —
38
—
—
16 —
180
—
—
12 —
1,501
10
—
22 —
9
6
6
12 —
8
18
6
15 —
12
—
—
13 —
12
—
—
15 —
24
—
—
16 —
85
3
2
23 —
89
18
2
49
6
4
22 —
4,791
—
1
20 —
2,826
2
3
1,238
12
—
4 Mar.
10 Mar.
11 Mar.
276
1
5
5,538
12
11
677
9
8
270
15
2
4 Feb.
25 Feb.
25 Feb.
4,203
18
8
673
—
—
416
15
—
766
4
—
9 Mar.
10 Mar.
11 Mar.
5,982
4
—
61
1
4
66
1
6
19 Feb.
25 Feb.
25 Feb.
10
—
—
23 —
22
—
—
22 —
12
—
—
23 —
14
—
—
22 —
100
—
—
23 —
1,000
—
—
18 —
25 —
25 —
372
—
—
17 —
29
6
—
18 —
48
12
—
18
12
4
cxxiv
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
20
—
—
10
13
8
63
—
—
19 Feb.
37
12
6
33
11
9
8
17
4
37
16
—
17
5
—
21
16
—
21
16
—
20 —
12
15
—
19 —
12
12
—
1,245
9
—
12 —
1,470
—
—
18 —
500
—
—
16 —
473
8
7
14 —
133
6
8
16 —
86
18
9
21
3
6
70
—
—
70
—
—
41
18
1
150
6
8
75
—
—
36
—
—
34
2
6
18 —
20
2
2
42
19
6
32
9
—
19
15
—
55
12
4
50
3
4
14
13
—
19 —
149
6
8
27
12
—
66
14
6
77
—
—
20 —
103
—
—
19 —
14
2
4
74
19
9
51
9
—
206
—
—
10
10
—
28
2
—
84
11
4
49
16
—
28
9
8
59
15
—
150
—
—
225
3
6
19 —
25 Feb.
25 Feb.
278
10
10
203
9
—
20 —
23
1
7
1,000
—
—
16 —
1,000
—
—
362
—
—
20 —
500
—
—
18 —
cxxv
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assig. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
1,000
—
—
36
15
—
19 Feb.
14
15
7
28
10
4
20
—
—
20 —
220
9
3
312
6
—
12
—
—
19 —
1,354
5
—
11 Mar.
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
1,999
10
1
360
—
—
168
—
—
12 —
292
—
—
70
—
—
114
10
6
525
5
10
103
7
7
14 —
4
11
6
15 —
74
1
8
12 —
7 April
10 April
60
19
5
— —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
120
8
—
78
18
9
109
4
3
42
—
—
13 —
18
13
1
— —
7 April
8 April
27
10
—
14 —
53
19
—
12 —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
7
10
—
37
10
—
4
1
—
13 —
7 April
8 April
27
12
6
15 —
1,165
10
—
12 —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
194
3
10
13 —
7 April
10 April
12
17
1
— —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
309
2
3
— —
7 April
10 April
60
—
—
— —
— —
8 —
83
9
1
13 —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
94
16
—
14 —
6
10
—
15 —
7 April
10 April
2,000
—
—
12 —
7 —
8 —
190
2
6
13 —
— —
10 —
85
18
6
14 —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
99
—
4
16 —
7 April
8 April
13
17
—
63
14
—
15 —
— —
10 —
10
10
—
16 —
— —
8 —
15
12
—
28 Feb.
10 Mar.
11 Mar.
20
—
—
23
9
—
1 Mar.
21 —
22 —
75
—
—
2 —
10 —
11 —
71
18
—
5 —
8
2
6
24
3
9
52
—
—
21
2
3
6 —
39
13
6
12 —
21 —
22 —
39
13
6
cxxvi
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
39
13
6
39
13
6
10
—
—
11 Mar.
7 April
8 April
97
1
6
— —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
16
16
—
12 —
52
—
—
28 Feb.
10 —
11 —
12
—
—
13 Mar.
7 April
8 April
29
4
10
— —
— —
10 —
13
—
—
21
—
—
300
—
—
11 May
12 May
15 May
594
3
4
250
—
—
326
—
—
144
—
—
21 Mar.
7 April
8 April
72
—
—
20 —
22 —
24 —
13
17
8
— —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
24
8
—
20
—
—
72
6
—
14
13
—
18
5
7
— —
7 April
10 April
54
12
—
19 —
— —
8 —
111
3
—
14
8
8
61
3
9
68
10
—
— —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
49
8
6
20 —
110
5
4
19 —
7 April
8 April
38
7
—
20 —
21 Mar.
22 Mar.
220
15
10
113
11
3
800
—
—
84
6
4
82
19
—
19 —
37
12
6
40
5
—
8
18
6
14 —
56
14
—
20 —
240
—
—
10
3
8
37
16
—
106
—
—
26
—
—
20 —
37
16
—
19 —
7 April
8 April
67
10
3
21 —
51
19
7
23 —
163
5
3
21 —
143
15
4
563
19
5
30
19
2
23 —
— —
10 —
31
3
6
25 —
182
2
6
23
4
6
15
—
—
23 —
22 —
24 —
32
10
—
25 —
7 —
8 —
14
2
—
cxxvii
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assig. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
16
9
—
12
15
—
50
—
—
22 Mar.
— —
10 April
14
13
4
23 —
25
19
9
22 —
168
10
8
21 —
83
13
3
54
12
5
25 —
35
10
—
— —
— —
8 —
171
15
—
93
6
8
26 —
60
4
6
— —
— —
10 —
89
6
—
27 —
15
—
—
— —
— —
8 —
4
16
—
— —
— —
10 —
23
8
—
— —
— —
8 —
53
10
8
— —
— —
10 —
1,978
8
6
26 —
22 April
24 —
500
—
—
27 —
7 —
8 —
400
—
—
500
10
2
28 —
36
15
—
2 April
39
13
6
23 Mar.
10
10
—
25 —
13
—
—
23 —
100
—
—
21 —
500
—
—
29 —
500
—
—
500
—
—
26
12
10
1 April
4
16
—
2,061
17
2
4 —
472
13
6
2 —
85
18
6
3 —
8
17
2
4 —
— —
20 —
26
9
—
3 —
— —
10 —
41
8
4
859
12
4
2 —
— —
8 —
701
11
7
10
10
—
33
11
4
2 —
42
5
—
3 —
— —
10 —
1,237
10
—
4 —
— —
11 —
371
5
—
3 —
22 —
24 —
5,165
7
6
6 —
7 —
8 —
1,103
2
2
3,066
19
9
567
8
8
500
—
—
6
—
—
5 —
18
4
—
28 Mar.
— —
10 —
13
—
—
29 —
61
4
—
5 April
79
7
—
6 —
30
2
—
29 Mar.
7
1
8
30 —
15
12
6
1 April
cxxviii
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
31
7
—
5 April
97
16
5
4 —
69
19
11
11 —
22 April
24 April
16
2
—
15 —
6
—
—
5 —
390
11
3
588
—
—
15 —
114
11
4
285
—
—
12
—
—
11 —
22 —
17
10
—
16 —
1,000
—
—
15 —
393
1
—
19 —
5
13
6
20 —
69
—
9
40
—
6
18 —
13
5
—
6 —
31
7
—
19 —
76
8
10
16 —
17
8
—
20 —
648
19
—
30 —
12 May
13 May
121
3
4
29 —
3 —
5 —
24
2
—
30 —
29
8
7
29 —
80
15
9
181
6
8
18
6
11
100
—
—
22
12
1
191
15
4
291
14
1
28
4
8
28
4
8
86
2
0
14
—
—
1 May
12 —
13 —
14
2
—
29 April
3 —
5 —
76
8
5
16
7
8
19
15
—
162
10
—
5
5
—
65
3
11
111
11
—
130
18
—
21
16
6
145
—
—
195
15
—
103
—
—
22
3
8
30 —
12 —
13 —
14
2
4
6
—
—
16
14
7
1
5
—
14
2
4
19
15
—
1 May
12
—
—
17 April
3 —
5 —
52
11
—
29 —
cxxix
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assig. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
29
14
7
29 April
3 May
5 May
14
10
8
9
18
—
78
8
8
110
—
—
700
—
—
2 May
12 —
13 —
500
—
—
29 April
27
12
—
— —
20 —
27 —
121
7
9
— —
3 —
5 —
11
12
9
2 May
12 —
13 —
81
17
—
23
13
8
3 —
27
10
5
71
15
8
19
3
2
234
15
5
621
—
—
16
1
—
10
—
—
25
—
—
4 —
80
19
4
32
25
5
31
10
—
38
11
6
6 —
62
5
6
37
6
8
8
15
—
50
3
4
500
—
—
758
16
—
24
—
—
31
—
—
114
11
—
7 —
48
2
11
4
19
—
45
18
—
29
17
8
40
3
—
25
3
—
8 —
419
10
3
178
10
—
321
18
—
700
—
—
65
12
6
87
10
—
43
15
—
149
15
—
22
4
6
27
10
4
103
5
—
72
6
—
20
—
—
37
6
2
9 —
23
16
8
2 —
432
4
—
81
11
6
3 —
59
5
4
cxxx
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
100
—
—
4 May
12 May
13 May
534
—
—
7 —
548
11
5
46
10
7
64
1
—
28
3
6
9 —
64
16
—
3
13
6
5
5
—
2
16
—
35
15
6
18
12
4
12
—
—
10 —
27
4
6
9 —
41
5
—
10 —
1,000
—
—
7 —
600
—
—
9 —
400
—
—
500
—
—
40
—
—
5 —
206
10
—
50
—
—
75
12
—
31
4
4
6 —
21
17
6
35
17
7
8 —
23
2
—
6 —
10
3
—
8 —
37
12
6
10
10
—
10
10
—
10
10
—
1,367
6
11
15 —
18 —
19 —
15
1
3
69
16
8
33
—
—
63
—
9
6
5
—
58
11
9
17
18
—
619
8
6
4
15
—
16 —
33
18
9
17 —
17
12
—
16 —
35
—
—
14 —
480
—
—
15 —
80
—
—
16 —
550
—
—
20 June
22 June
24 June
64
10
—
71
18
—
3 Aug.
4 Aug.
5 Aug.
10
—
—
196
—
—
10 —
11 —
12 —
417
15
10
43
13
3
7
6
—
2
19
6
3
11
9
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Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assig. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1797.
6
12
—
10 Aug.
11 Aug.
12 Aug.
3
—
—
3
—
—
59
5
4
Appendix (P. 3.)—
An account of
which became due in the year 1798, but which were not paid on the days they respectively became due, on account of their not being assigned for want of money; shewing the amount of each bill; the day on which it was due; the day on which it appears money was received for its payment; and the day on which the assignments for payment took place. Dated Victualling Office, 20th May 1805.
Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assig. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1798.
563
4
3
8 April
20 April
21 April
100
—
—
19 —
26 —
312
4
—
44 2 7
20 April
7 May
268 1 5
5 May
59
16
—
28 —
5 —
10
2
1
44
2
4
44
2
9
23 —
24
7
6
28 —
119
3
6
10
4
0
50
3
3
29 —
23
3
8
30
12
—
65
4
6
21
3
6
43
10
5
600
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—
4
10
—
30 —
3
—
—
10
10
—
1,000
—
—
1,000
—
—
1,000
—
—
30 —
1,636
8
4
25 —
300
—
—
26 —
10
10
—
30 —
1,650
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—
5 May
8 —
9 —
2,500
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—
500
—
—
7 —
500
—
—
500
—
—
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Amount of BILLS.
When Due.
Money Recd.
Assign. for Payt.
£.
s.
d.
1798.
1,620
—
—
5 May
8 May
9 May
500
—
—
7 —
500
—
—
5 —
500
—
—
500
—
—
500
—
—
500
—
—
1,000
—
—
7 —
500
—
—
1,000
—
—
5 —
1,000
—
—
4,000
—
—
7 —
500
—
—
500
—
—
500
—
—
5 —
500
—
—
7 —
500
—
—
500
—
—
500
—
—
500
—
—
1,000
—
—
5 —
1,000
—
—
7 —
4,000
—
—
1,000
—
—
1,000
—
—
1,000
—
—
4,000
—
—
2,000
—
—
57
—
—
5 —
8
14
—
42
10
—
37
12
6
49
13
1
23
13
11
42
14
2
6 —
84
5
3
8
2
—
116
4
3
85
18
6
60
11
8
22
18
6
30
5
—
29
7
10
79
9
7
118
2
—
2,000
—
—
32
4
6
7 —
94
11
6
96
4
10
89
7
10
113
16
6
7
19
8
5 —
16
15
—
10
—
—
2,283
8
7
6 —
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REPORT FROM THE SELECT COMMITTEE UPON THE ELEVENTH NAVAL REPORT,
The Select Committee to whom the Eleventh Report of the commissioners of Naval Enquiry respecting, The issue of navy bills for the purpose of raising money; loss arising from the mode of paying the interest on navy and transport bills; and money imprested by the navy board for secret naval services (except so far as the same relates to circumstances connected with the issue of 100,000l. for secret naval services) was referred;—have agreed upon the following report.
YOUR committee have taken into consideration the matters in the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry, referred to them, in the order in which they are stated in the report; and have called for and examined such persons and documents, as they thought necessary for the elucidation of the transactions, concerning which it was their duty to report to the house.—They insert in the minutes and appendix hereunto annexed, the whole of the parole evidence given before them, including, both the questions put to the persons examined, and their answers, and also, copies of such written documents laid before them, as seemed material for the consideration of the house.—In submitting this body of evidence to the house, it seems to them that they discharge, in the most effectual and satisfactory manner, the most essential part of their duty; but they have also thought it proper to introduce that evidence with the following statement, relative to the three heads of investigation contained in the said report of the commissioners of naval enquiry.
I. With regard to the first head, intituled in the eleventh report, "issue of navy bills for the purpose of raising money:" It appears that the supplies granted by parliament for the service of the navy in the beginning of the year 1800, founded on the usual estimates, amounted to the sum of 13,256,579l. 13s. 11d. and in the beginning of 1801 to the sum of 16,429,537l. 0s. 2d.—It is the custom of the navy board to collect, from the different departments to which the expenditure for naval services belongs, about the month of September in each year, materials for the purpose of enabling them, by accounts of the outstanding demands, and computations of the farther expences likely to be incurred during the remaining part of the year, to form a comparison between the aggregate amount of such outstanding demands, and of those likely to accrue, on the
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II. The commissioners of naval enquiry have intituled the second head, in their report, "loss arising from the mode of paying the interest on navy and transport bills."—Your committee have not deemed it necessary to enter into much enquiry, in addition to that which the commissioners have thought fit to institute, with regard to a subject which does not appear to your committee to have required the very particular and elaborate investigation they have bestowed upon it.—The house have before them the reasons stated by the navy and victualling boards, for the different constructions which they had put upon the act of 37 Geo. III. c. 26. and it also appears, that the navy board, so long ago as the 18th of December 1801, adopted the practice which the victualling board had previously followed, and of which the commissioners have themselves approved.—Your committee will therefore take the liberty to dismiss this matter, with only two observations; first, that in a question concerning the true construction of a statute, the commissioners (probably through inadvertency) have not accurately stated the provision of the act: their words are, "that it is thereby directed, that the bills shall be made payable on a certain day to be expressed in each bill, which day shall not be later than three calendar months from "
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from the date of
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III. On the third head in the report of the commissioners, which is intituled, "money imprested by the navy board for secret naval serviccs:" Your committee have confined themselves, in conformity to the exception in your order of reference, to the issue of 16,000l. for a secret service, which makes the subject of the second question and answer in the examination of the earl of St. Vincent, No. 23 of the appendix to the eleventh report.—The commissioners have taken notice, in this part of the case, of an omission in the order or letter of instructions from the admiralty to the navy board, dated 17th August 1796, and have stated "that this omission should be rectified, as they are of opinion, that it is of considerable importance, that the several subordinate boards should have precise information, not only of the extent of the authority vested in them, but of the authority under which they are to act."—Your committee have already mentioned, under the first head, what has occurred to them in general, relative to the power of the treasury to give directions to the navy board, and the duty of that board to obey them. Undoubtedly the order of council of 8th of June 1796, does contain the clause omitted in the instructions of the 17th of August; but your committee have to observe, that the board of admiralty, in their said letter of instructions, did expressly state, that the order in council had directed that the several arrangements suggested by them (of which the clause in question formed a part) should be adopted and carried into execution in such manner as they should judge proper, and that they had inclosed therewith a copy of the said order in council for the farther information of the navy board. It will therefore be for the consideration of the house whether sufficient notice was not thus given to the navy board of the condition "that secret services were to be performed under, the authority of the first lord of the admiralty," and that such condition, though not repeated in the instructions, had actually made part of the plan recommended by the admiralty itself, and sanctioned by the act of his majesty in council, under which authority the whole of the instructions of the 17th of August was established.—As to the question, how far the service to which the 16,000
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The examination of
esq. Secretary to the navy board, taken before the Committee on the Eleventh Naval Report, the 29th of May 1805
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The examination of
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Can you state what was the increase of the prices of victualling stores in the year 1800, compared with the preceding year, and about what period of the year the rise took place? I cannot state with precision as to the increase of the cost of provisions in the year 1800, from that of the preceding year; but, to the best of my recollection, some of them were, in many instances, more than double the price of the preceding year; with respect to the period of the year, I can state nothing without reference to the books, as the purchases were made from time to time as the exigences of the public service required.—Have you made any estimate of the increase of expenditure of naval service in the year 1800, in consequence of the increase of price in the victualling department? A comparison of the prices of various articles of provisions purchased in the years 1799 and 1800, was made towards the latter end of the latter year in our office; and I have a copy, which I beg leave to produce.—On what occasion was the paper made out? I should suppose in consequence of a letter addressed to me from sir A. S. Hamond, dated September 1800, stating, that he wished to have my opinion of what had been the occasion of the exceeding in the victualling department, from the estimate delivered in early in January of the probable expence of that year. I beg leave to add to a former answer, that I have here a paper, dated the 4th of September 1800, intituled, "A comparison of the sums paid for various species of provisions between the 1st January and 31st
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The examination of sir
bart. comptroller of the navy;
Do you know at what time in the year 1800, there was first a deficiency of money in the hands of the treasurer of the navy, for the discharge of demands for naval services? About the beginning of September 1800, upon considering the sums that remained to come in of the supplies of that year, it appeared that the expenditure had been larger than was expected in the early part of the year, and upon an estimate of what was likely to be wanted to the end of the year, there appeared to be a deficiency of about 2,500,000l.—Was that comparison made by you as comptroller of the navy? Yes, and collected from the different departments.— Was it made by the desire of any of his Majesty's ministers? I rather think it was made by the desire of the secretaries of the treasury, who looked to me for information on all subjects of naval expenditure.—Had any previous representation been made by you to the lords or secretaries of the treasury on that subject? I don't recollect there were any letters passed on that occasion, but it was my duty to inform the treasury if I saw any prospect of the supplies not holding out.— Had you in point of fact informed the treasury, whether by letter or otherwise, previously? Yes, I had.—When and to whom was that information given? I believe it was given to Mr. Long and Mr. Rose, certainly to one, and most likely both, in the early part of September, I believe, or perhaps the latter end of August.—Was it in consequence of this information, that you was desired by the secretaries to make this estimate? I think it most likely was.— Having made the estimate, what was the next communication made to you from the treasury? I had certainly frequent communications with the secretaries of the treasury, and was prevent when the measure of renewing bills was mentioned; and I was asked whether I saw any objection to the renewing bills, to any persons that preferred having a new navy bill instead of being paid in money; to which I said I saw no objection.—What persons were present at this meeting, when the measure of renewing bills was mentioned? I really do not remember that any persons were present but Mr. Long and Mr. Rose; I believe they were both present.—What was the next communication you received from the treasury on this subject? A
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The examination of
esq.
What profession are you? A merchant.—Had you any conversation with Mr. Goldsmid about the navy bills, in October 1800, before you saw sir Andrew Snape Hamond? I believe sir Andrew Snape Hamond spoke to me before I spoke to Mr. Goldsmid on the subject; by accident I happened to dine in company with sir Andrew Snape Hamond, and he mentioned the matter first to me.—What inducement had you to permit your name to be used as payee of the bills? A hope of serving the public; no other inducement, either directly or indirectly.—Was it necessary you should indorse them before they were put in circulation? Certainly.—Where were they brought to you to indorse, and by whom? The first 50,000l. I received at the navy office myself; afterwards they were usually sent to Messrs. Goldsmids' office, and, I used to call there and indorse
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The further examination of sir Andrew Snape
In your evidence of yesterday, you stated that you did not ever remember to have seen Mr. Glenny before the meeting at the navy office; you have heard read to you the evidence which Mr. Glenny has to-day given, namely, that he had met you before accidentally at a dinner, and that you then mentioned the subject of issuing the navy bills to him; can you reconcile this difference? All that I can say is, that I have not any recollection of ever having had any conversation with Mr. Glenny previous to seeing him at the navy office, waiting for Mr. Goldsmid to arrange the circumstance of the bills; the conversation alluded to by Mr. Glenny, must have passed in the interval before Mr. Goldsmid came into the room.
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The further examination of George Glenny, esq.
You have heard what sir Andrew Snape Hamond has just stated; what is your recollection or belief now on the subject? I feel myself obliged to admit, that what sir Andrew Snape Hamond has just stated is most likely to be correct.
The examination of
esq. taken the 30th May 1805.
Do you remember that at the time of the first of navy bills, in September and October 1800, to Mr. Glenny, there was great distress in the money market? Yes, there was a great distress.—Were other public securities, particularly exchequer bills, very difficult to negociate? Very much so; and if we had forced the market, it would have made them fall to a considerable discount; it was reported at that time, that great part of the supplies that were granted were exhausted, owing to the enormity of the price of provisions and stores, which occasioned the people that had money to hold themselves in readiness, as the chancellor of the exchequer must soon make a loan.—Do you believe that if a fresh issue of exchequer bills had been attempted at that time, to supply the exigencies of government, those fresh exchequer bills could have been disposed of without considerable loss? Not without a considerable loss, nor even then to any large amount.—Do you believe that if a loan had been negociated at that time, it could have been negociated on any terms not highly disadvantageous to the state? Very disadvantageously, owing to a great part of the former loan not having been yet paid up.—Were the navy bills negociated by you, disposed of in proportion as the produce of them was wanted for the exigencies of the naval service, without difficulty or loss to the public? Without loss to the public or difficulty.— State why it was easier to dispose of those bills than of exchequer bills? Those navy bills when run off 25 days, and having then only 65 days to run, the holders could with case have got the money by discounting them at the bank, so that they would be ready with their money in case of a loan; they came within bank time, the usage of the bank being not to discount bills of exchange that have more than 65 days to run.—Do you know any other issue of public securities, or operation of finance, by which the State could have been relieved without great disadvantage? I mean to say this was the only way it could have been done.—Are you able to state, from your own knowledge or observation, whether the prices of many articles of naval and victualling stores were
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The further examination of sir Andrew Snape
In the appendix to the eleventh report, there is only the letter of Mr. Long, No. 6, directing the one 500,000l. did you receive subsequent orders from him for the issue of bills afterwards delivered to Mr. Glenny, and up to what period? I received specific orders for each issue of bills, originals of which orders I now produce; I received those orders from Mr. Long, while he remained secretary to the treasury; the orders were generally given to the amount of 500,000l. at a time; but the bills to Mr. Glenny were only made out as the money was required.—Had you any conversation with Mr. Vansittart or other gentlemen belonging to the treasury, respecting the issue of bills delivered to Messrs. Donaldson and Glenny, on or after the 9th of September 1801? Yes, I remember having a conversation with Mr.
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The further examination of sir Andrew Snape
Is there any period of the year at which the navy board takes into particular consideration the adequacy of the grants to the probable exigency of the service? In the month of September the navy board endeavours to collect, from the several dock yards and the different departments of the navy, the whole of the expenditure and debt, which is made up on the 30th of September, and is called "a catch debt," as being only a rough calculation; but on the 31st of December a more exact estimate is prepared for parliament, which is called the navy debt for the year.—Does the estimate so formed in September enable the board to ascertain how far the grants of the year will be adequate to the services? It certainly does enable the board to form an opinion on what may be required for carrying on the service to the end of the year, and unless any particular articles or expence or diminution of expenditure shall at that time appear, the calculation is made by taking one-fourth part of the grants in the year; and this estimate is communicated to the treasury and admiralty.—Is that period, then, the earliest at which this official communication is ordinarily made? It is.—Can you state what part of the whole sum of 4,300,000l. issued on ninety-day bills to Messrs. Glenny, was applied towards the discharge of part of those bills, and how much remained to supply the actual deficiency of the naval grants of the respective years? I cannot answer it from memory, but must refer to the office, if the committee should choose to call for such an account, but which I conceive would be very difficult to make out.
The examination of the right hon.
taken the Ist June 1805.
Will you state the circumstances that led to the issue of navy bills to Messrs. Donaldson and Glenny; in September 1801? In the beginning of September 1801, when the navy board laid their annual estimate before the treasury, of the sums which would be wanted for the naval service during the remaining months of the year, I had a conversation with Mr. Alcock, the chief clerk in the revenue branch in the treasury, on the great deficiency which appeared upon comparing that estimate, which amounted to about 5,166,000l. with the sum remaining in the exchequer of the naval grants for 1801, which was only 1,584,000l. I must observe to the committee, that this latter sum is some-
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The examination of the right hon.
taken the 1st of June 1805.
Had you, between the 18th February and 21st April 1804, any direct personal communication with earl St. Vincent, on the
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The examination of
esq. taken the
Were you one of the commissioners of naval enquiry present at the first examination of Mr. Abraham Goldsmid, no. II, of the appendix to the eleventh report? I was.ߞIs the evidence which was given by Mr. Goldsmid before the commissioners of naval enquiry, on the 25th June 1804, fully stated in that number of the Appendix to the 11th report? If it is meant whether all that Mr. Goldsmid intended should be considered and taken down as answers to the questions put to him, I believe it is; I know not that any thing was omitted.—Do you mean all that Mr. Goldsmid intended as answers to the five questions reported in no. II, or all that he intended as answers to all the questions put to him on the 25th June 1804, on the subject of the issue of navy bills to Mr. Glenny, or Messrs. Donaldson and Glenny? I am not aware of any other answers that he gave that were immediately applicable to the issue of those bills, though I must observe that it is very possible, that in the long description of a variety of matters which he chose to enter into, there may have been things in his conception of the subject, at the time or since, which he may think might or ought to have been taken down; what I mean is, that there was no intention in the commissioners of
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The further examination of Ewan Law, esq.
If Mr. Goldsmid had stated to you, that the measure in question, was in his opinion indispensably necessary, or materially useful, for the support of public credit, and had offered to your consideration facts and reason-
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The further examination of Ewan Law, esq.
When you speak of questions having been previously prepared, do you mean, prepared before Mr. Goldsmid came before you? Yes, I do.—You have stated a firm belief; that all the questions put to Mr. Goldsmid on the 25th of June, as they appear in the appendix to the 11th report, were so prepared beforehand, do you continue in that belief? I see no reason to think otherwise.—Is it not possible that other questions may have been put, and answers received to them which do not appear in Mr. Goldsmid's examination in the 11th report? I cannot speak to possibilities; but no question not put it writing is considered as such by the commissioners.—Explain what you mean by the word "such" in your last answer? I mean that no questions not taken down, and the answers thereto entered in the examinations, are considered as forming a part of the evidence upon which the reports are grounded; I meant to exclude whatever may pass in the way of explanation or conversation.—Do the original drafts of Mr. Goldsmid's examination remain? They do not; none of the foul copies are preserved; the examinations
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The examination of
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It appearing that you were present at the examination of Mr. Goldsmid before the commissioners of naval enquiry, on the 25th of June 1804, were the questions which were proposed to him, and which appear in no. 11, in the appendix to the 11th report, prepared and written before Mr. Goldsmid came to the board? I firmly believe they were, and to the best of my knowledge and belief they were written by himself.—Were the answers which he gave to those questions taken down in writing, and afterwards read ever to him? They were, but it was with considerable difficulty the board could obtain direct answers from Mr. Goldsmid.—Had he full opportunity to correct any error in the answers so taken down, and was it explained to him that be might do so it he pleased? Most assuredly he had; the general practice of the board is, after the evidence has been taken down, to tell the person examined that the questions and answers are about to be read over, to give him an opportunity of altering or amending any answers which he may have given to the questions put to him; and I do not believe there has been any instance in which the board has departed from such practice, or any instance in which they have refused to take down any evidence offered by the party examined, however irrelevant it may have been to the subject of the enquiry. After the rough copy of the evidence has been so read to the party, a fair copy of the evidence is made, and previous to its being read to the person examined, it has been the general practice of the board, and in no instance has it, to my knowledge, been departed from, to tell the person examined that he is at liberty to amend, alter, or explain any part of the evidence which has been given by him, which would be added to his evidence by way
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The further examination of
esq. taken the 10th June 1805.
Adverting to the question put to you the last but one on Friday last, would you, as a member of the board, have thought it right that it should be so stated? If the necessity or the utility of the measure had appeared in the several discussions before the board, I think I should have voted for its being stated in the report.—Were the commissioners aware that the navy estimates are framed with reference to the number of men voted, and not with reference to the prices of naval stores and provisions? I certainly was, and I believe the other members of the board were?—Were they aware that the excess of expenditure for the naval service beyond the votes of the year, makes part of the navy debt which is laid before parliament in the ensuing year, or did they make any enquiry into that subject? I really do not know whether they were aware of that circumstance or not, and I believe they made no enquiry into the subject.—Were they aware that the navy ninety-day bills outstanding at the end of each year, make part of the navy debt which is laid before parliament in the ensuing year, or did they make any enquiry into that subject? I do not know that they were aware of that circumstance, nor do I know they made any enquiry into that subject.—Did they enquire into the price of naval and victualling stores at the period of the first issue of the bills negociated by Mr. Goldsmid, in the year 1800? Certainly not.—Did they enquire into the
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The examination of the right hon.
taken the 11th of June 1805.
When did you become secretary to the treasury? In the beginning of the year 1791, and continued in that office till the middle of the year 1801.—Can you state to the committee, what the circumstances were that led to the issue of navy bills to Mr. Glenny at the end of October 1800? Upon the examination of the supplies voted for the service of the navy in the course of that year, it was found that they would not be sufficient to defray the expence that would be incurred, and the issue of these navy bills was supposed to be the most advantageous mode of making good the deficiency.—At what period did it first appear that it would be necessary to have recourse to such a mode of raising money? It was evident early in September in that year, that the supplies would not hold out, and the measure was then taken of permitting persons who held navy bills which became due, to take other navy bills in exchange instead of money; but this mode not furnishing the additional supply that Was required, recourse was had to the measure of issuing the navy bills in question.—Can you state by whom this mode of issuing the navy bills in question, for supplying the deficiency, was first suggested? I cannot state positively by whom that mode was suggested, but the mea-
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The further examination of Henry Nicholls, esq.
In page 492 of the 11th report, it is stated, that a performance of a secret naval service was directed by one of his majesty's principal secretaries of state; what evidence was there before the board that it was so directed? The information was received in a letter from the comptroller of the navy, on the 1st of December 1804, a copy of which, and of its inclosure, I now produce; the date of the letter appears by mistake to be the 30th September instead of the 30th November; the commissioners of naval enquiry did not think it right to enter the comptroller's letter in the appendix to the 11th report, as it conveyed a proposal to the commissioners of naval enquiry, which their duty would not allow them to accede to; the primed copy of the Comptroller's letter laid before the house of
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The further examination of sir Andrew Snap
How do you account for the difference between the letter sent by you to the commissioners of naval enquiry on the 30th of November last, and the copy of it transmitted by you to the lords of the admiralty on the 22d of April last? If it does differ in the smallest degree, I can only express my surprise and regret, as it must have happened without the smallest intention on my part. I first wrote a draft of the letter, which I shewed to one of the commissioners of the navy for his approbation; that draft was corrected in several places, and written fair by the deputy secretary, and such fair copy was signed by me, and sent to the commissioners of naval enquiry; as to the date, it must evidently have appeared to the commissioners that it was a mistake, as their precept, to which this letter was an answer, was dated the 15th of November, and as my letter in taking notice of their precept mentions the 15th instant, there could not be the smallest doubt but that my letter was written on the 30th November instead of the 30th September; and, though I perceive by the letter now produced to me, that there are several words, though not the same, yet importing the same meaning, I trust, it will appear that whatever difference there may be, the substance is in no degree changed.—From what document in the navy office was the copy of the letter, no. 11, made, which was transmitted to the admiralty? From the very same draft, but copied by another clerk.—Does that document still remain in the navy office? I understand it does not; but the clerk is here who will explain that.—Can you account to the committee for the circumstance of the original draft, which was in the navy office in April last, not being there now? When the clerk made out copies of all the papers which I sent to the admiralty on 22d April, I remember his telling me that he had made fair copies of all my drafts of the letters, and that as the one in question was very much scratched, he asked me if I had any objection to his tearing it; to which I agreed.—
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The examination of
taken the 17th June 1805.
Did you copy the inclosures that were transmitted to the admiralty from the commissioners of the navy, in their letter of 22d April 1805? I copied the whole of the letters that were sent by the comptroller of the navy on the 22d April 1805.—From what document did you copy no. II.? From the rough draft of a letter given to me by the comptroller, to copy.—Did you return that rough draft to the comptroller? I did, and put it into the hands of the comptroller with the copy I had made; he asked me if that was a correct copy, and I answered him, yes, it was an exact copy; he then said, there could he no occasion to keep two; and the one I had made being fair, the other might be destroyed; from that fair copy I made the one that was sent to the admiralty.—Was the draft you copied from much scratched, or in any other respect difficult to read? The rough draft put into my hands by the comptroller had several words that were run through with a pen, and likewise interlineations; it was by no means difficult for me to read it, being very much in the habit of writing from his rough drafts, but I do not think that people in general would have been able to read it very easily.—In whose hand-writing is the letter from sir Andrew Snape Hamond to the commissioners of naval enquiry, now shewn to you? In the hand-writing of Mr. G. Smith, now deputy secretary to the navy board.
The further examination of Abraham Goldsmid,
Have you carefully read over your evidence, and is there any alteration you wish to make? I have read it over carefully, and there is no alteration I wish to make.
APPENDIX.
No. 1.—
Copy of navy board patent, dated 14th May,44 Geo. III
No. 2.—
Copy of order in council, dated 8th June 1796.
No. 3.—
Copy of instructions of the lords of the admiralty; dated 17th August 1796.
No. 4.—
Account of the sum remaining unapplied of the grant for naval services, for the years 1800 and 1801, on the 1st of September in each of these years respectively, &c.
No. 5.—
Amount of debt of the navy on 31st December in each year, from 1777 to 1782 inclusive, and from 1794 to 1802 inclusive.
No. 6.—
Amount of grants for naval services
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unapplied on 20th July 1800 and 20th June 1801; and also, payments made for naval services in July and August 1800, and June, July, and August 1801.
No. 7.—
An account of sums paid in discharge of ninety-day bills in each month in the years 1800, 1801, and 1802.
No. 8.—
A comparison of the average prices paid for different species of provisions between the 1st January and 31st December 1799, with those paid for in the same months in the following year.
No. 9.—
A comparison of the sums paid for provisions between the 1st January and 31st August 1799, with those paid for in the same month in the present year.
No. 10.—
A comparison of the sums paid for the several articles in the remaining four months in the year 1799, with those for the same months in the year 1800.
No. 11.—
An account of the bills that were issued for the renewal of ninety-day bills, becoming due in the years 1800 and 1801.
Nos. 12, 13, 14, and 15.—
Copies of letters from Charles Long, esq. to the commissioners of the navy, dated 7th September 1800; 222 October 1800; 4th February 1801; and 3d March 1801.
Nos. 16 to 21.—
Copies of letters from Nicholas Vansittart. esq. to ditto, dated 8th September 1801; 2d November 1801; 5th February 1802; 23d March 1802; 21st April 1802, and 30th April 1802.
No. 22.—
An account, shewing the grants of parliament for naval services in each year, from 1796 to 1802, both inclusive.
Nos. 23 to 29.—
Estimates of the debt of his majesty's navy, as it stood on the 31st December 1796; 31st December 1797; 31st December 1798; 31st December 1799; 31st December 1800; 31st December 1801; and 31st December 1802.
No. 30.—
Copy of a letter from earl St. Vincent to lord Hobart, dated Rocketts, Feb. 2, 1804.
My dear Lord,—I was so ill on Saturday, when your lordship had the goodness to call, as to be incapable of utterance; and had I not quitted town immediately, I am confident I should have expired; I am somewhat better, and some of the worst symptoms are disappearing.—Mr. ——— is a very intelligent man, and has been much employed by government; and we all know that the smugglers are capable of great enterprize; I therefore do not venture to give an opinion so decidedly against his proposition for choaking the entrance of Boulogne as I otherwise should. In our hands there would not be the remotest probability of the success he so san-
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Your's, &c. St. Vincent.
No. 31.—
Copy of a letter from sir A. S. Hamond, bart. to the earl of St. Vincent, dated Navy Office, 9th March 1804, as printed by order of the house, 29th April 1805.
No. 32.—
Copy of a letter from lord Hobart is sir Andrew Snape Hamond, dated Downing-street, 9th February 1804; as printed by order of the house, 29th April 1805.
No. 33.—
Copy of a letter from earl St. Vincent to sir A. S. Hamond, dated 10th March 1805; as printed by order of the house, 29th April 1805.
No. 34.—
Copy of a letter from lord Hobart to earl St. Vincent, dated Downing-street, 10th February 1804.
(Private and secret.)—My dear lord,—Having shewn your letter upon the subject of the Boulogne plan to Mr. Addington, he is decidedly of opinion with me, that the smugglers should be employed in the undertaking, and the more especially as they look for no reward in the event of failure.—I have therefore, for the purpose of preventing unnecessary expence, and of having the business conducted with as much secrecy as possible, directed sir Andrew Hamond, in communication with—,to have the vessels purchased and loaded with stone; the account ultimately to be settled with the treasury.—I should be happy to hear a more favourable report of your health, and remain, your's, &c. (Signed) Hobart.
No. 35.—
Copy of a letter from earl St. Vincent to Lord Hobart, dated Rocketts, 12th Feb. 1804.
My dear lord,—You certainly are proceeding in the best mode to give effect to the plan of Mr. ———, and I most heartily wish it success.—I am so much more free from complaint than I was when I last wrote to your lordship, that I have determined to return to town in a few days; and, with many thanks for the kind solicitude you have expressed about me, I am ever your's, &c.
St. Vincent.
No. 36.—
Copy of a letter from the right hon. John Sullivan to sir A. S. Hamond, dated 18th Feb 1804; and printed by order of the house, 29th April 1805.
No. 37.—
Ditto to ditto, dated 21st February 1804.
No. 38.—
Ditto to ditto, dated 23d February.
No. 39.—
Copy of a letter from lord Keith,
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to the chairman of the committee, dated East Cliff, Ramsgate, 7th June 1805.
My Lord,—I have received your letter of yesterday's date, requesting that I would transmit to you, as chairman of the committee of the house of commons, to whom the 11th report of the commissioners of naval enquiry has been referred, a letter, or order, which was written to me by the earl of St. Vincent, relative to the project for blocking up the harbour of Boulogne, bearing date on or about the 23d day of February 1804; and in obedience to the commands of the committee, signified to me through its chairman, I herewith inclose a letter which I received from the earl of St. Vincent on that subject, dated the 23d February 1804, observing, that it was only addressed on the envelope, which was burnt or destroyed. I have the honour to be with the greatest respect, &c.
Keith.
No. 40.—
Copy of a letter from lord St. Vincent to lord Keith, dated Admiralty, 23d Feb. 1804.
(Private.)—My dear lord,—The operation lord Hobart writes to you upon, is carried on with my knowledge. Your's most truly,
(Signed.)
St. Vincent.
No. 41.—
Copy of a letter from sir A. S. Hamond to the earl of Buckinghamshire, dated Navy Office, 1st April 1805.
No. 42.—
Copy of a letter from the earl of Buckinghamshire to sir A. S. Hamond, dated 3d April 1805; as printed by order of the house, 29th April 1805.
No. 43.—
Copy of a letter from sir A. S. Hamond to the commissioners of naval enquiry, dated 30th Nov. 1804; as printed by order of the house, 29th April, 1805.
No. 44.—
Copy of a letter from sir A. S. Hamond to the commissioners of naval enquiry, dated 30th September 1804; as produced by Mr. Nicholls to the committee.
Gentlemen,—Since my return to town, your precept of the 15th inst. has been put into my hands. I find the navy board has already signified to you, that the navy 90-day bills mentioned in your said precept were issued by my written directions to the committee of accounts, in consequence of orders I had received from government, and which were kept in my possession. I have now the honour to acquaint you, that the first sum stated in your precept was issued by directions from the lords commissioners of his majesty's treasury, dated the 4th October 1799, and marked
most secret.
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responsibility
privately
A. S. Hamond.
Henry Nicholls, 11th June 1805.
No. 45.—
Copy of a letter from lord Hobart to sir A. S. Hamond, dated 9th February as produced by Mr. Nicholls to the committee.
(Most secret.)—Sir,—It being thought adviseable, under the present circumstances of the war, that an attempt should be made for
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I am, sir, &c.
Hobart.
REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE OF SECRECY, ON THE ELEVENTH NAVAL REPORT OF THE COMMISSIONERS NAVAL ENQUIRY.—Ordered to be printed, 27th June 1805.
The Committee of Secrecy, to whom so much of the eleventh report of the commissioners of naval enquiry, as relates to the advance of one hundred thousand pounds for a secret naval service, was referred; and were empowered to report their opinion and observations thereupon to the house:—Have agreed upon the following report.
YOUR committee have taken into their consideration, the subject referred to them; and having examined various persons, and called for and perused certain letters, and other documents relative thereto, they have agreed on the following resolution;
Resolved,
That it is the opinion of this committee, that the said 100,000l. was advanced for an object, to Which the supplies granted for naval services were applicable; that the application thereof, to that object, was a measure, in which the interests and honour of this country were concerned; that it was issued by the comptroller of the navy, under orders from the lords of the treasury, with the knowledge and authority of the first lord of the admiralty, and in the fittest mode for answering the end proposed; that the clearing bill for 95,000l. part of the said sum of 100,000l. was granted on just and proper grounds; that the circumstances of the application of the money were of such a
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REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE PETITION OF THE DUKE OF ATHOLL; AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING TO THE ISLE OF MAN.
Ordered to be printed 23d May 1805.
The Committee to whom the petition of John duke of Athol is referred; and to whom the report of the commissioners of enquiry relative to the Isle of Man, made in the year 1792, and all accounts respecting the revenues of the said isle, which have been presented to the house in this session of parliament, are also referred;—and who were instructed to take into their consideration all such parts of the said report, as relate to the collection and management of the revenue of the said isle, and likewise to examine into the receipts of the revenue of the same isle, and the disbursements there-out from the 5th of January 1791 to the 5th of January 1805; and into all balances in the hands of the collectors or receivers of the revenues of the same isle, and to report their observations upon all such subjects to the house;—and to whom the several accounts and papers relating to the Isle of Man, which have been presented to the house since the 26th day of March last; and also, the account of the amount of duties received within the ports of the Isle of man, upon imports and exports, between the 5th January 1798 and the 5th January 1804, which was presented to the house upon the 10th day of April, in the last session of parliament, are also referred;—and who were empowered to report their proceedings together with their observations and opinion thereupon, from time to time, to the house;—have examined the matter of the said petition:
AND find, by an act of parliament made in the 7th of James the first, that the Isle of Man was granted in sovereignty by king Henry the fourth, to the family of Stanley, the ancestors of the duke of Atholl; and to the intent, as is recited in the act, that it should remain in their blood, it was by the said act made unalienable, so as to render it impossible for any future proprietor to make any disposition or resignation of it as against the heirs general of the seventh earl of Derby.
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ad valorem
ad valorem
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ad valorem,
ad valorem
ad valorem
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Resolutions.
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Abstract Statement of the PUBLIC INCOME of Great Britain, for the Year ended 5th January 1805.
Heads of Revenue.
Gross Receipt.
Net Produce.
Paid into the Exchequer.
ORDINARY REVENUES.
Permanent Tares.
£
s.
d.
£
s.
d.
£
s.
d.
Customs
England
10,189,238
10
9¼
8,451,719
10
3¾
7,939,771
5
8½
—
Scotland
759,849
10
8½
608,577
17
10¾
418,100
0
0
—
Great Britain
10,949,087
11
5¾
9,060,297
8
2½
8,357,871
5
8½
Excise
England
20,985,644
2
9¾
19,511,982
9
9¼
19,448,143
3
3
—
Scotland
1,484,668
2
9½
1,478,487
3
¾
1,156,000
0
0
—
Great Britain
22,470,312
12
7¼
20,990,469
13
1
20,604,143
3
3
Stamps
England
3,429,697
8
2¾
3,357,727
4
7½
3,176,256
10
7
—
Scotland
202,048
10
3½
207,167
5
11
178,066
7
5
—
Great Britain
3,631,745
18
6¼
3,564,894
10
6½
3,354,322
18
0
Land and Assessed Taxes
England
5,747,374
10
7
5,833,502
5
5
5,167,630
3
9½
—
Scotland
163,954
9
11
208,982
17
10½
141,500
0
0
—
Great Britain
5,911,329
0
6
6,042,485
3
3½
5,309,130
3
9½
Post Office
England
1,178,408
7
0
969,419
15
10
827,318
8
8
—
Scotland
118,000
4
0
137,938
13
3½
96,681
11
4
—
Great Britain
1,296,408
11
0
1,107,358
9
3½
924,000
0
0
1s. in the £. on Pensions
England
44,656
10
11
46,880
19
7½
44,328
0
5½
and Salaries
Scotland
2,776
19
8¾
6,116
19
11¾
5,487
0
0
—
Great Britain
47,433
10
7¾
52,997
19
7¼
49,815
0
5½
6d. in the £. on Pensions
England
59,005
1
8¼
58,533
2
7¼
58,532
16
3½
and Salaries
Scotland
2,762
8
11¾
2,745
3
8¾
2,745
3
8¾
—
Great Britain
61,767
10
8
61,278
6
4
61,278
0
0
Hackney Coaches
28,767
16
6
26,656
11
3¾
26,286
0
0
Hawkers and Pedlars
9,615
5
9
7,044
3
7
6,612
14
7
Total Ordinary Revenues
44,406,467
17
8
40,913,452
5
1
38,693,459
5
9½
Small Branches of Hereditary Revenue.
Hanper.
2,000
0
0
Alienation Fines
6,933
13
4
9,785
5
1
3,977
18
8
Post Fines
313
2
3
3,561
14
10¼
-
-
-
Seizures
63,648
12
4¾
63,648
12
4¾
63,648
12
4¾
Compositions
3
0
0
3
0
0
3
0
0
Proffers
615
3
2
615
3
2
615
3
2
Crown Lands
35,168
9
1
54,366
17
1
966
13
4
Extraordinary Resources.
Property Tax
England
3,572,556
17
5¾
3,478,351
10
5
3,478,351
10
5
—
Scotland
6,333
2
6
6,000
0
0
6,000
0
0
—
Great Britain
3,578,889
19
11¾
3,484,351
10
5
3,484,351
10
5
Arrears of Income Duty
83,641
6
7¼
81,048
6
9¼
81,048
6
9¼
Lottery, Net Profit
434,625
0
0
413,645
7
2
413,645
7
2
Aid and Contributions
590
17
9
590
17
9
590
17
9
Arrears of Taxes collected under the Aid
1,941
17
3
1,890
13
2¼
1,890
13
2¼
Monies paid on Accounts of the Interest of
1,275,178
17
1
1,275,178
17
1
1,275,178
17
1
On Account of the Commissioners, appoin
201,000
0
0
201,000
0
0
201,000
0
0
Interest on Stock Transferred by Instal
4,500
0
0
4,500
0
0
4,500
0
0
Fees of Regulated Exchequer Offices
36,664
7
0
36,664
7
0
36,664
7
0
Imprest Money Repaid by sundry Public
21,031
5
2¼
21,031
5
2¼
21,031
5
2¼
Other Monies Paid to the Public
13,230
0
2
13,230
0
2
13,230
0
2
Total
Independent of
50,164,443
8
11
46,578,564
2
4¾
44,297,801
18
1
Loans paid into the Exchequer, in Part
13,209,351
13
9
13,209,351
13
9
13,209,351
13
9
Grand Total
£
63,373,795
2
8
59,787,915
16
1¾
57,507,153
11
10
N.B.
W. HUSKISSON.
Note.
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An Account of the Sums Paid into, and the Charges upon, the CONSOLIDATED FUND, be
INCOME
In the Quarters ended
5th April, 1804.
5th July, 1804.
10th Oct. 1084.
5th Jan. 1805.
5th April, 1805.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Permanent Taxes
5164318
1
11¾
65559354
7
9
6604554
17
1¼
7502677
8
10
5757393
0
3¾
Surplus of Sugar, Malt,
702858
7
6
287654
0
0
437933
0
0
17475
0
0
342054
12
10¼
Land Tax, from 1798
118319
0
4¼
347335
4
11
183342
14
11
318452
19
4½
156685
10
5½
Do on Personal Estates
29360
7
4
37337
0
6¾
26641
6
8¼
36186
10
4¾
25085
5
5¼
Arrears of Income Duties
19422
6
4¾
25371
12
3½
16799
10
10½
19454
17
2¼
28549
9
7¾
Arrears of Additional Assess
334
9
7
680
10
11
481
19
0¼
-
-
-
78
1
9
Arrears of Land and Annual
-
-
-
2985
18
11
1325
2
0
-
-
-
12285
19
10
Imprest Monies
83053
6
8¾
51216
8
0½
35918
7
2
35737
10
5
43578
12
4¼
Money paid on Account
204179
13
5
376896
3
11
293136
0
10
400966
19
1
301478
11
1
Brought from Money
-
-
-
12108
2
10¾
-
-
-
12112
6
0¾
-
-
-
Voluntary Contribu
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
590
17
9
-
-
-
Money paid by Abm.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
66000
0
0
77000
0
0
£
6321845
13
3½
7700939
10
2½
7600132
18
7¼
8409654
9
1¼
6744189
3
8¾
CHARGE.
In the Quarters ended
5th April, 1804.
5th July, 1804.
10th Oct. 1804.
5th Jan. 1805.
5th April, 1805.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Interest of Public Debt
4213384
12
5¾
6197346
15
9¼
4209368
5
11¾
6481598
5
5
3870071
10
6¾
Do. created in 1803.
293684
14
7
148320
0
0
170379
13
9
146160
0
0
165626
7
11
Do.
1804.
-
-
-
46266
9
0
154747
10
0
315593
8
0
321004
14
4½
Do.
1805.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
16586
9
2¼
Commissioners for the
1056043
12
7½
1043543
12
7½
1122018
12
7½
1109518
12
7½
1128810
13
4¼
Civil List
224500
0
0
224500
0
0
224500
0
0
224500
0
0
224500
0
0
Do. per Act 44 Geo.III.
-
-
-
-
-
-
15000
0
0
15000
0
0
15000
0
0
Courts of Justice
11701
1
2
8603
2
0
25341
7
10
11673
11
0
18487
9
11
Mint
8348
0
0
3450
0
0
4297
2
9
4650
0
0
4844
8
6
Salaries, Allowances, & Incidental Charges
6810
12
0
5294
2
0
6202
10
0
5134
15
0
5973
19
6
Pensions
71466
13
4
71466
13
4
71466
13
4
70466
13
4
70866
13
4
Bounties
-
-
-
2956
13
8
500
0
0
20000
0
0
500
0
0
£
5885939
6
2¼
7751747
8
4¾
6003743
16
3¼
8404295
5
4½
5842272
6
7¾
Exchequer, The 6th Day of May, 1805.
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Account of the CONSOLIDATED FUND of Great Britain, for the Year ended 5th January, 1805.
INCOME
CHARGE.
Actual Payment
Future Ann. Charge
Net Produce of the Custom Duties
£
4,098,955
5
6¼
Charge on Account of the Public Debt
£
25,141,373
13
6¾
24,333,961
11
1½
Excise
12,798,540
16
8½
CIVIL LIST.—His Majesty's Household
898,000
0
0
898,000
0
0
Stamps
2,866,850
18
2
Do.…per Act Geo. III. Cap
30,000
0
0
60,000
0
0
Incidents
5,233,020
10
10¼
Courts of Justice.—The Judges of England and Wales, in Augmentation of their Salaries
18,204
3
11
Surplus of sugar, Malt, and Tobacco, annually granted
1,445,920
7
6
Land Tax and Pension Tax brought from the Years 1799,
1,096,975
4
6½
A.Graham, Esq. Inspector of the temporary Places of Confinement of Felons, previous to Transportation
350
0
0
Uncertain.
Arrears of Income Duty for 1799, 1800, 1801
81,048
6
9
W. Baldwin, Esq. Rec. of the 7 Pub. Offices of Police
15,422
13
0
Money reserved on Acc. of Nominees, in Tontine, 1789
24,220
8
11½
P. Colquhoun, Esq. Do. of the Thames Police Office
7,032
5
0
Arrears
Additional Assessed Taxes, 1798
1,496
19
6¼
Keeper of the Hanaper in Chancery
3,000
0
0
Land and Malt Duties, prior to 1798
4,311
0
11
John Bedford, Esq. Chief Justice of the Adm. Court in the Island of Barbadoes
1,000
0
0
2,000
0
0
Voluntary Contributions
590
17
9
Henry Moreton Dyer, Esq.
Do. Bahamas
1,000
0
0
2,000
0
0
Monies paid into the Treasury by divers Persons, being small Balances due to the Public
250,894
7
2
John Sewell, Esq.
Do. Malta
1,473
8
1
2,000
0
0
Imprest Monies
21,031
5
2¼
Alexander Croke, LL.D.
Do. America
5,308
10
2½
2,000
0
0
Money paid by Messrs. Puget and Bainbridge, for Interest, and £. 1 per Cent. on Loans raised in Great Britain for the Service of Ireland, Annis 1797, 1798, 1799, 1800, 1801, and 1802.
913,180
1
4
Represents. of John Holland, Esq
Do. Jamaica
528
1
9½
2,000
0
0
The Sheriffs of England and Wales
4,000
0
0
4,000
0
0
MINT.—Master of His Majesty's Mint in England
17,250
0
0
13,800
0
0
Receiver of the Fees of the Mint
2,277
2
9
Uncertain.
Master of His Majesty's Mint in scotland
1,200
0
0
1,200
0
0
Salaries and Allowances
23,441
19
0
17,950
0
0
Parliamentary Pensions
284,866
13
4
281,366
13
4
To J. Williams, Esq. Sec. to the Commissioners of Naval Enquiry
500
0
0
To R. Clarke, Esq. Chamberlain of the City of London, for the better Improvement of the Port of the City of London
20,000
0
0
Uncertain.
Total Income of Consolidated Fund, applicable towards paying the Charge existing at 5th January, 1803.
28,837,036
10
9½
Total Charge created prior to 5th Jan. 1803, as at 5th Jan. 1804.
26,479,185
4
3¾
25,623,734
18
1½
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DUTIES pro Anno 1803.
Surplus Duty on Receipts 1803, per Act 43 Geo. III. Cap. 126
45,207
4
7
Debt incurred for £. 12,000,000, raised for the service of the Year 1803.
Duties on Houses and Windows, per Act 43 Geo. III. Cap. 161. to commence from 5th April 1804.
96,065
4
8
Annuities on £. 9,600,000, at £.3 per Cent. added to £ per Cent. Cons. Annuities with charge of management.
294,480
0
0
292,320
0
0
Reserved out of Consol. Customs, per Act 43 Geo. III. Cap. 68, from 5th July 1803, at £. 62,500 per Qr.
250,000
0
0
Annuities on £. 9,600,000, at £ per Cent. added to £. 3 per Cent. Reduced Annuities with charge of management
409,542
0
0
292,320
0
0
Money paid by Messrs. Puget and Bainbridge, for Interest, Management, and £. 1 per Cent. on Loan of £. 2,000,000 for the Service of Ireland
136,549
14
8
Annuities for 56¾Years at 6s. 5d. per Cent. added to Long Consolidated Bank Annuities with charge of management
54,522
8
4
38,933
2
6
DUTIES pro Anno 1804.
Annuities at £. 1 per Cent. on the above Sums, payable to the Commiss. for the Reduction of the National Debt
195,765
5
7
195,765
5
7
Surplus of Consolidated Stamp Duties, by Act 44 Geo. III. Cap. 98, to commence from 10th October 1804
442,264
15
3
DEBT incurred in respect of £. 14,500,000, raised for 1804
Money paid by Messrs. Puget and Bainbridge, for Interest, management, and £.1 per Cent. on £4,500,000 (Part of £. 14,500,000, raised by Act 44 Geo. III. Cap.) for the Service of Ireland
225,449
1
3
Annuities on £. 11,890,000, at £. 3 per Cent. added to £. 3 per Cent. Cons. Annuities with charge of management
325,593
8
0
362,050
10
0
Total Income of Duties 1804.
£
667,713
16
6
Annuities on £. 14,500,000, at £. 3 per Cent. added to £. 3 per Cent. Reduced Annuities with charge of management
154,747
10
0
441,525
0
0
Do.
Do. 1803
527,822
3
11
Do.
Do. at 5th Jan. 1803.
28,837,036
10
9½
Annuities at £. 1 per Cent. on the above Sums, payable to the Commissioners for the Reduction of the national Debt
181,950
0
0
263,900
0
0
Total Income of Consolidated Fund in the Year ended 5th January 1805.
£
30,032,572
11
2½
Total of the actual Payments out of, and future charge upon, the Consolidated Fund, for the Year ended 5th January 1805.
£
28,045,785
16
2¾
27,510,548
16
2½
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An Account of the net produce of all the PERMANENT TAXES in GREAT BRITAIN, in taken for Two Years, ending respectively the 5th January 1804 and 5th January 1805.
In the Years ended
5th January 1804.
5th January 1805.
£
s.
d.
£
s.
d.
Customs
Consolidated, after reserving £. 250,000. per Annum, by Act 43 Geo. III. Cap. 68, from July 1803
3,672,494
19
11
4,059,036
15
7¾
Quarantine duty
12,983
15
8
17,358
10
7½
4½
l.
27,815
18
9¾
35,135
14
4
Canal and dock duty
37,784
0
6¼
28,559
19
3
Excise duties consolidated
14,297,313
0
0
12,798,540
16
8½
Stamp duties consolidated, after deducing the surplus of the duty on receipts, directed by act 43. Geo. III. cap. 126
3,138,368
0
0
2,070,661
0
0
Reserved out of consolidated stamp duties, 3,077,463
l.
s.
—
—
769,365
19
6
Compositions for Stamps per bank of England
24,000
0
0
24,000
0
0
Liceuces for selling lottery tickets
5,329
15
10
2,823
18
8
Incidents
Letter money
892,000
0
0
914,000
0
0
Arrears of duties repealed by act 43 Geo. III. cap. 161.
Houses and windows, after reserving as directed by act 42 Geo. III.
1,809,623
16
0¼
1,407,896
0
0
Inhabited houses
404,950
16
2¾
452,034
6
6
Horses for riding, &c.
541,925
1
1¾
418,592
1
0½
- Do - Husbandry
536,369
4
6¼
387,764
2
2¾
Male servents
224,822
18
2
208,330
3
4½
Carriages
291,879
16
11
260,589
13
9½
Dogs
112,204
0
4½
96,713
9
6¼
Arrears
10
l.
1
1
7
3
6
11
20
l.
416
15
1¾
834
3
8½
Clocks and watches
99
11
2½
0
2
6
Hawkers and pedlars
5,269
0
0
7,835
0
0
Hackney coaches and chairs
26,097
13
6
26,286
0
0
6
d.
53,166
0
0
61,278
0
0
1
s.
45,056
0
0
51,016
12
4
Seizures
79,390
11
1¼
63,648
12
4¾
Proffers
637
0
3
615
3
2
Compositions
2
10
0
3
0
0
Rent of alum mines
960
0
0
960
0
0
Ditto of a lighthouse
6
13
4
6
13
4
Alienation duty
2,767
15
4
2,934
9
10
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First fruits of the clergy
3,896
7
0
3,205
13
4½
Tenths of ditto
9,828
4
5½
9,890
12
10
Fines and forfeitures
630
13
4
556
0
0
Arrears of waggons
0
2
0
—
—
Arrears
Hair-powder certificates, anno 1795
45,052
2
9
59,268
19
8
Horse-dealers' licences, anno 1796
2,388
12
10½
4,089
12
7
Armorial bearings, anno 1798
21,443
0
11½
31,472
17
10½
Per act 41 Geo. III. cap. 69.
Hair-powder certificates
—
—
3,320
0
0
Horse-dealers' licences
—
—
160
0
0
Armorial bearings
—
—
1,620
0
0
Duties granted by act 43 Geo. III. cap. 161. - - on
Reserved out of duty on houses and windows, by act 43 Geo. III. cap. 161. 1,897,896
l.
—
—
409,000
0
0
Inhabited houses
—
—
32,300
0
0
Horses for riding, &c.
—
—
105,382
0
0
Ditto - Husbandry, and mules
—
—
127,100
0
0
Male servants
—
—
37,470
0
0
Carriages
—
—
41,290
0
0
Dogs
—
—
18,650
0
0
26,321,874
17
11¼
25,051,599
11
8½
DUTIES PRO ANNO 1803.
Brought from consolidated customs, 250,000
l.
125,000
0
0
250,000
0
0
Surplus of duty on receipts, anno 1803, per act 43 Geo. III. cap. 126
14,436
17
8
45,207
4
7
- - Ditto - - houses and windows, 1804, after reserving as directed by act 43 Geo. III. cap. 161.; to commence from 5th April 1804
—
—
96,065
4
8
DUTIES PRO ANNO 1804.
Surplus of consolidated stamp duties, after reserving as directed by act 44 Geo. III. cap. 98.; to commence from 10th October 1804
—
—
442,264
15
3
26,461,311
15
7¼
25,885,136
16
2½
Surplus of duties annually granted, after discharging exchequer bills charged thereon
Sugar, &c.
672,705
7
10¾
522,312
7
6
Malt
937,407
19
11
755,111
0
0
Tobacco
156,707
0
0
168,497
0
0
28,228,132
3
5
27,331,057
3
8½
Duties granted to discharge 2,000,000 exchequer bills annually
Sugar, &c,
1,871,198
10
7¾
1,402,180
6
9¼
Malt
316,184
0
0
209,617
0
0
Tobacco
295,233
0
0
279,629
0
0
£
30,710,747
14
0¾
29,312,483
10
5¾
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An Account of the net Produce of the PERMANENT TAXES and the WAR TAXES for the Year ending 5th January, 1805; distinguishing each
In the Quarters ended.
In the Year ending 5th Jan. 1805.
5th April, 1804.
5th July, 1804.
10th Oct. 1804
5th January, 1805
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Customs
Consolidated, after deducting £ 250,000 per Annum, by Act 43 Gen. III. Cap 68, from July, 1803
690,983
1
6½
544,318
6
6¾
1,465,708
10
5¼
1,358,026
17
1¼
4,059,036
15
7¾
Quaratine Duty-
2,955
0
9½
3,255
8
6
2,377
18
3
8,770
3
1
17,358
10
7½
4 ½
l.
10,456
13
6¼
18,885
1
6½
109
11
1¼
5,684
8
2
35,135
14
4
Canal and dock duty
7,724
1
6
7,799
5
6½
7,447
12
6
5,588
19
8½
28,559
19
3
Excise duties consolidated
2,884,363
0
0
3,307,925
16
8½
3,360,528
0
0
3,245,724
0
0
12,798,540
16
8½
Stamps
Consolidated, after deducting the Suplus of the duty on receipts, 1803, by act 43 Geo. III. Cap 126
589,670
0
0
707,647
0
0
773,344
0
0
1,211,630
14
9
3,282,291
14
9
Compositions for stamps, per Bank of England
6,000
0
0
6,000
0
0
6,000
0
0
6,000
0
0
24,000
0
0
Licences for selling Lottery tickets
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
2,823
18
8
2,823
18
8
Incidents
Letter Money
225,000
0
0
232,000
0
0
250,000
0
0
207,000
0
0
914,000
0
0
Arrears of duty repealed by act 43 Geo. III. cap 161.
Houses and Windows
325,313
18
3¾
700,418
8
6½
227,146
4
5½
171,495
6
10¼
1,424,374
1
2
Inhabited houses
97,881
15
5½
203,173
3
1¼
89,150
5
0¾
61,829
2
1½
452,034
6
6
Horses for riding, &c.
62,925
5
2½
230,055
10
6½
53,104
18
5½
72,506
9
10
418,592
1
0½
Do. - husbandry
52,697
5
1¼
211,294
11
3½
59,425
3
9
64,346
2
1
387,764
2
2¾
Male servants
39,109
1
7½
95,652
0
2
34,838
6
9½
38,730
15
3½
208,330
3
4½
Carriages
42,441
16
2½
115,153
19
10½
48,739
2
9
54,254
14
11½
260,589
13
9½
Dogs
14,695
12
10¾
45,584
14
8½
16,271
3
4½
20,161
18
6½
96,713
9
6¼
Arrears
10
l.
0
14
0
2
12
11
-
-
-
-
-
-
3
6
11
20
l.
823
2
1
2
16
10½
8
4
9
-
-
-
834
3
8½
Clocks and watches, arrears
-
-
-
0
2
6
-
-
-
-
-
-
0
2
6
Hawkers and pedlars
1,980
0
0
2,095
0
0
1,950
0
0
1,810
0
0
7,835
0
0
Hackney coaches and chairs
4,380
0
0
8,086
0
0
7,660
0
0
6,160
0
0
26,286
0
0
6
d.
10,000
0
0
12,000
0
0
14,000
0
0
25,278
0
0
61,278
0
0
3
s.
9,440
12
4
12,000
0
0
10,000
0
0
19,576
0
0
51,016
12
0
Seizures
8,181
3
9
15,152
9
8
23,732
17
7¾
16,582
1
4
63,648
12
4¾
Proffers
16
14
0
576
13
4
11
15
10
10
0
0
615
3
2
Compositions
-
-
-
3
0
0
-
-
-
-
-
-
3
0
0
Rent of alum mines
6
13
4
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
6
13
4
Alienation duty
2,934
9
10
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
2,934
9
10
First fruits of the clergy
-
-
-
3,205
13
4½
-
-
-
-
-
-
3,205
13
4½
Tenths of ditto
-
-
-
9,890
12
10
-
-
-
-
-
-
9,890
12
10
Fines and forfeitures
-
-
-
100
0
0
400
0
0
56
0
0
556
0
0
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Arrears
Hair powder certificates, anno 1795
8,025
3
6
18,836
9
10½
14,595
15
8
17,811
10
7½
59,268
19
8
Horse dealers' licences 1796
624
9
9½
889
10
7
1,060
3
7½
1,515
8
7
4,089
12
7
Armorial bearings 1798
6,032
0
8½
8,102
5
8½
7,223
14
3
10,114
17
2½
31,472
17
10½
Hairpowder certificates, per act 41 Geo. III. cap. 69
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
3,320
0
0
3,320
0
0
Horse dealers' licences ditto
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
160
0
0
160
0
0
Armorial bearings ditto
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1,620
0
0
1,620
0
0
Duties granted by act 43 Geo. III. cap. 161.
Houses and windows
-
-
-
-
-
-
28,500
0
0
460,087
3
6
488,587
3
6
Inhabited houses
-
-
-
-
-
-
2,900
0
0
29,400
0
0
32,300
0
0
Horses for riding. &c.
-
-
-
-
-
-
8,300
0
0
97,082
0
0
105,382
0
0
Ditto and mules
-
-
-
-
-
-
8,500
0
0
118,600
0
0
127,100
0
0
Male servents
-
-
-
-
-
-
2,200
0
0
35,270
0
0
37,470
0
0
Carriages
-
-
-
-
-
-
2,300
0
0
38,990
0
0
41,290
0
0
Dogs
-
-
-
-
-
-
1,400
0
0
17,250
0
0
18,650
0
0
DUTIES PRO ANNO 1803.
5,105,141
15
6
6,520,106
15
6
6,529,414
8
2½
7,435,266
12
5
25,589,929
11
7½
Brought from consolidated customs, 250,000
l.
62,500
0
0
62,500
0
0
62,500
0
0
62,500
0
0
250,00
0
0
Surplus of duties on receipts, anno 1803, per act 43 Geo. III. cap. 126
10,133
0
0
11,729
0
0
12,750
0
0
10,595
4
7
45,206
4
7
5,177,774
15
6
6,594,335
15
6
6,604,664
8
2½
7,508,361
17
0
25,885,136
16
2½
Surplus of duties annually granted, after discharging exchequer bills charged thereon
Sugar, &c.
552,312
7
6
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
522,312
7
6
Malt
66,227
0
0
253,228
0
0
422,308
0
0
13,348
0
0
755,111
0
0
Tobacco
114,319
0
0
34,426
0
0
15,625
0
0
4,127
0
0
168,497
0
0
5,880,633
3
0
6,881,989
15
6
7,042,597
8
2½
7,525,836
17
0
27,331,057
3
8½
Duties granted to discharge 2,000,000
l.
Sugar, &c. anno 1804
30,908
11
1
231,511
12
8¼
532,828
10
10½
696,931
12
1½
1,492,180
6
9¼
Malt
-
-
-
-
-
-
18,926
0
0
190,691
0
0
209,617
0
0
Tobacco
5,161
0
0
105,827
0
0
73,013
0
0
95,628
0
0
279,629
0
0
WAR TAXES.
5,916,702
14
1
7,219,328
8
2¼
7,667,364
19
1
8,509,087
9
1½
29,312,483
10
5¾
British Spirits, anno 1803
207,135
0
0
230,854
0
0
147,993
0
0
166,111
0
0
752,093
0
0
Foreign Ditto
171,730
0
0
193,379
0
0
211,675
0
0
197,667
0
0
774,451
0
0
Wines
115,625
0
0
72,389
0
0
101,269
0
0
51,009
0
0
340,292
0
0
Goods and Shipping
258,976
2
11¼
343,447
5
7
437,573
15
8
465,069
7
11¾
1,505,066
12
2
Malts
499,051
0
0
835,229
0
0
1,048,394
0
0
583,041
0
0
2,965,715
0
0
Tea
266,161
0
0
31,383
6
6½
337,589
0
0
335,250
0
0
970,383
6
6½
Sweets
1,009
0
0
1,372
0
0
1,247
0
0
330
0
0
3,958
0
0
Property Duty
346,960
0
0
632,193
16
1½
1,393,071
11
5
986,426
2
10½
3,358,651
10
5
Ditto, anno 1804
-
-
-
-
-
-
55,000
0
0
95,700
0
0
150,700
0
0
Wines
-
-
-
16,527
0
0
34,799
0
0
34,321
0
0
85,647
0
0
Goods and Shipping
-
-
-
41,053
12
9¼
269,294
14
11¼
201,568
5
3½
511,916
13
0
£
1,866,647
2
11¼
2,397,828
1
0¼
4,037,906
2
0¼
3,116,492
16
10
11,418,874
2
1½
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Account of the PUBLIC EXPENDITURE of Great Britain, for Year ended 5th January, 1805.
I.
Interest & Charges on the permanent Debt of Great Britain, (App. A.)
26,044,785
16
11
II.
The Interest on Excheq. Bills (B.)
-
-
-
-
-
-
624,859
18
10
III.
The Civil List (C.)
-
-
-
928,000
0
0
IV.
Other Charges on the Consolidated Fund, viz.
Courts of justice
-
-
-
57,319
2
0
Mint
-
-
-
20,727
2
9
Allow. to Roy. Fam.
-
-
-
284,866
13
4
Salaries and Allows
-
-
-
23,441
19
0
Bounties
-
-
-
23,456
13
8
1,337,811
10
9
V.
Civil Govt. of Scotland (D.)
-
-
-
-
-
-
79,705
4
1¾
VI.
Other Payments in Anticipation (E.) Bounties for Fisheries, Manufactures, Corn, &c.
-
-
-
336,524
0
11
Pensions on the Hereditary Rev.
-
-
-
27,700
0
0
Militia and Deserters Warrants, &c.
-
-
-
286,668
10
6
Purchase of Legal Quays
-
-
-
76,689
12
6
727,582
3
11
VII.
Navy; (F.)— Salaries to the Offices
84,000
0
0
For Wages, Bounty, Flag, Pay, &c.
1,815,750
0
0
For Dock Yards, Building of ships, &c.
5,184,071
4
9
For Marine Service on shore
262,000
0
0
-
-
-
7,345,821
4
9
The Victualling Department
-
-
-
3,279,501
8
4
The Sick and Wounded
do
277,000
0
0
The Transport
do
For Transports
690,028
12
4
For Prisoners of War, in Health
110,000
0
0
Miscellaneous Services
57,000
0
0
857,028
12
4
11,759,351
5
5
VIII.
Ordnance (G.)
-
-
-
-
-
-
3,550,141
1
11
IX.
Army.—Ordinary Services; (H.)
For Regl. Milit. Inval.
9,500,000
0
0
Barracks
1,736,048
0
0
Staffs Off. and Off. of Gar
289,027
0
0
Half Pay
228,000
0
0
Widows' Pensions
22,500
0
0
Chelsea Hospital
207,963
0
0
Exchequer Fees
80,353
0
0
Pay of Public Offices
70,000
0
0
12,183,981
0
0
Extraordinary Services
-
-
-
3,560,803
15
3
-
-
-
15,744,694
15
4
X.
Loans, Remittances, and Advances to
-
-
-
-
-
-
3,733,291
13
4
XI.
Miscellaneous Services; (K.)
At Home
-
-
-
1,628,55
0
3¾
Abroad
-
-
-
253,519
14
5
1,882,074
14
8¾
65,484,298
5
2½
Deduct Loan for Ireland
-
-
-
-
-
-
3,733,291
13
4
*
£
61,751,006
11
10½
* This includes the Sum of £.446,885. 9
s.
d.
N.B. The several Items under each Head are stated in the
Appendix
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N. B. The several Items under each Head are stated in the
Appendix
APPENDIX (A. 1.)—An Account of the Monies paid out of the Receipt of His Majesty's Exchequer,
INTEREST.
Annuities for Lives
Charges
£
s.
d.
£
s.
d.
£
s.
d.
Permanent Funded Debt of Great-Britain
16,028,661
16
4¼
1,603,670
14
8½
247,606
8
11¾
Loans raised for the Service of Ireland
836,140
5
4
16,208
6
8
14,411
4
7
Imperial Loans
211,116
3
3
230,000
0
0
5,769
6
0½
17,075,918
4
11¼
1,849,879
1
4½
267,786
19
7¼
1,849,879
1
4½
267,786
19
7¼
£
19,193,584
5
11
Towards the Reduction of the Public Debt:
£
s.
d.
Annual Issue by 26 Geo. III.
1,000,000
0
0
Do.
42 Geo. III.
200,000
0
0
Annuities for Terms of Years
79,880
14
6
Annuities for Lives, on which
49,376
15
7
Interest on Debt of Gt.- Brit.
2,470,740
3
6
Do.
Ireland Do.
51,972
4
8
Do.
Imperial Do.
13,962
16
9
£
3,865,932
15
0
Annuity at
£.
2,985,268
16
0
6,851,201
11
0
£
26,044,785
16
11
APPENDIX (A. 2.)—An Account of the Total Amount of the Sums actually received by the COMMISSIONERS
GREAT BRITAIN.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Annual Issue, by 26 Geo. III.
1,000,000
0
0
Ditto
by 42 Geo. III.
200,000
0
0
99 and 96 Annuities
54,880
14
6
Expired and unclaimed Anns.
49,376
15
7
Short Anns. 1777
25,000
0
0
Dividends on
£.
2,366,044
3
6
Ditto
on
£.
104,696
0
0
£.
2,670,740
16
9
6,470,738
10
4
IRELAND.
£.
277,834
19
3
Dividends on
£.
51,972
4
8
329,807
3
11
IMPERIAL.
£.
36,693
0
0
Dividends on Imperial
£.
13,962
16
9
50,655
16
9
Office Reduction National Debt,
Total
£.
6,851,201
11
0
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APPENDIX (B.)—An Account of the Interest paid on EXCHEQUER BILLS, from the 5th day of
£.
s.
d.
43 Geo. III.
Cap. 5
Aids
Anno
1803
125,211
5
3
43
Cap. 36.
Supply
1083
179,952
19
9
43
Cap. 93.
Do.
126,220
9
3
43
Cap. 146.
Vote of Credit
1803
2,233
6
3
43
Cap. 147.
Supply
1803
Bk. of Engl.
81,164
7
8
44
Cap. 15.
Aids
1804
7,537
2
8
44
Cap. 31.
Further Sum
1804
847
12
3
Paid to the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, on Personal Estates
101,692
15
9
Exchequer-Bill Office,
£.
624,859
18
10
Examined and certified, W. Pollard, Comptr.
J. Planta.—Jn
º.
APPENDIX (C.)—An Account of the Charges upon the CONSOLIDATED FUND, in the Year ending 5th
CIVIL LIST.
T. Marsham, Esq. Sec. to Com
For the Support of his Majesty's
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
898,000
0
0
500
0
0
Ditto, by Act 44 Geo. III. Cap. 80.
30,000
0
0
PENSIONS.
COURTS OF JUSTICE.
His Royal Highness the Prince of
65,000
0
0
The Judges of England and Wales,
18,204
0
0
Ditto
ditto
60,000
0
0
A. Graham, Esq. Inspector of the
350
0
0
Ditto
Duke of
York
14,000
0
0
Ditto
Clarence
12,000
0
0
Ditto
Kent
12,000
0
0
Ditto
Cumberland
12,000
0
0
P. Colquhoun, Esq. Receiver of the
7,032
5
0
Ditto
Sussex
12,000
0
0
Ditto
Cambridge
12,000
0
0
W. Baldwin, Esq. Receiver of the
15,422
13
0
Ditto
Gloucester
8,000
0
0
Ditto
Ditto
9,000
0
0
H. M. Dyer, Esq. Chief Justice,
1,000
0
0
Her Royal Highness the Duchess
4,000
0
0
Earl of Chatham
4,000
0
0
Lord Rodney
2,000
0
0
J. Bedford, Esq. do.
Barbadoes
1,000
0
0
— Heathfield
1,500
0
0
H. Holland, Esq. late do. Jamaica
528
1
9½
Lady Dorchester
1,000
0
0
J. Sewell, esq. Chief Justice of do.
1,473
8
1
John Penn, Esq.
3,000
0
0
Richard Penn, Esq.
1,000
0
0
Alex. Croke, Esq. do. Nova Scotia
5,308
10
2½
Lord St. Vincent
2,000
0
0
Sheriffs of England and Wales
4,000
0
0
— Duncan
2,000
0
0
Keeper of the Hanaper in Chancery
3,000
0
0
— Nelson
2,000
0
0
MINT.
— Hutchinson
2,000
0
0
Master of his Majesty's Mint in
17,250
0
0
Lady Abercrombie
2,000
0
0
Sir William Henry Ashurst
2,000
0
0
T. Morrison, Esq. Receiver of the
2,277
2
9
Lord Rosslyn
3,000
0
0
Sir Sidney Smith
1,000
0
0
Duke of Richmond
12,666
13
4
Master of his Majesty's Mint in
1,200
0
0
Sir John Skinner
500
0
0
Representatives of Arthur Onslow
3,000
0
0
SALARIES AND ALLOWANCES.
Sir James Saumarez
1,200
0
0
The Rt. Hon. C. Abbot, Speaker
2,535
9
0
Duke of Portland, for the Prince
16,000
0
0
Lord Borringdon and others, in
3,000
0
0
The Marquis of Bute, late one of
7,000
0
0
BOUNTIES.
P. Deare, Esq. late a Deputy do.
300
0
0
For the Encouragement of the
2,956
13
8
E. Roberts, Esq. on the yearly Sum
650
0
0
J. T. Batt, Esq. Commissioner for
1,000
0
0
Richard Clarke, Esq. Chamberlain
20,000
0
0
John Martin Leake, Esq.
do.
500
0
0
John Erskine, Esq.
do.
500
0
0
Hon. B. Bouverie
do.
1,000
0
0
William Stevens, Esq. Treasurer
500
0
0
Sir C. W. R. Boughton, Bart.
do.
1,000
0
0
Salaries in the Office of Clerks of
6,000
0
0
G. Atwood, Esq. Inspector of Certificates in Tontine, Anno 1789
800
0
0
£.
1,337,811
10
9
Chief Cashier of the Bank of England, for Fees paid at Sundry
1,656
10
0
Exchequer,
JAMES FISHER.
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APPENDIX (D.)—A List of all such Sum and Sums of Money as are incurred, and become due,
£.
79,705
4
1
APPENDIX (E. 1.)—An Account of the Amount of BOUNTIES paid in Scotland, and of
CUSTOMS.
England.
Scotland.
Great Britain.
Bounties on Corn, Cotton, and Linen Manufactures, British and Southern Whale Fishery,
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
247,667
6
10½
56,388
16
9½
304,056
3
8
EXCISE.
Bounties on Beer exported
1,358
4
9
—
—
—
1,358
4
9
— —
British Spirits
874
19
11¾
—
—
—
874
19
11¾
— —
Fish exported
17,768
17
2
739
15
4
18,508
12
6
Buss and Barrel Bounties, certified on the Excise, for Deticiency of Money in the Hands of the Receiver Gen. of the Customs
—
—
—
11,726
0
0¼
11,726
0
0¼
£.
267,669
8
9¼
68,854
12
1¾
336,524
0
11
APPENDIX (E. 2.)—GENERAL POST OFFICE.—An Account of Payments from Parliamentary GRANTS
£.
His Grace the Duke of Marlborough
5,000
His Grace the Duke of Grafton
4,700
The Heirs of the late Duke of Scomberg
4,000
£.
13,700
March 18th 1805.
Examined per THOS. CHURCH,
APPENDIX (E. 3.) EXCISE.—An Account, shewing how the PUBLIC MONIES remaining in the Receipt of the Exchequer on 5th of Jan. 1804, together with the Monies paid into the same during
PENSIONS, viz.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
6th Head
Duke of Grafton
9,000
—
—
Earl Cowper
2,000
—
—
Charles Boon, Esq. Moiety of the Earl of Bath's
1,500
—
—
Lord Melborne's ditto
1,500
—
—
BOUNTIES; viz.
14,000
0
0
Beer exported
1,358
4
9
British Spirits
874
19
11¾
Salted Provisions
17,768
17
2
20,002
1
10¾
Excise Office, London,
J. KEMP,
£.
34,002
1
10¾
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APPENDIX (E. 4.)—An Account of Sums advanced by Receivers General of Land Assessed
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Militia
32,078
15
10½
Deserters' Warrants
893
0
0
32,971
15
10½
Defence Acts
17,010
9
5½
Army of Reserve
61,659
10
8
Levy en Masse
917
10
11
Volunteers
141,981
16
10¼
Yeomanry Cavalry
11,512
5
11
Population Act
678
15
5½
Expences under Land Tax
19,936
5
4¼
Redemption Acts
Office for Taxes,
£.
286,668
10
6
APPENDIX (E. 5.)An Account of the Sums advanced out of the CONSOLIDATED CUSTOMS, for the
Purchase of LEGAL QUAYS; between the 5th Jan. 1804, and the 5th Jan. 1805,
£.
76,689
12
6
APPENDIX (F.)—Navy, 20th March, 1805. An Account, shewing the Amount of Monies received
NAVY.
£.
s.
d.
Salaries to the Admiralty, Navy, and Navy Pay Offices
84,000
0
0
Wages to Officers and Seamen
1,115,000
0
0
Bounty to Volunteers, Flag Pay, &c.
350,000
0
0
Half-pay to Sea Officers, and Bounty to Chaplains
231,750
0
0
Pensions to Sea Officers, their Widows, &c. and to superannuated
79,000
0
0
Wages to his Majesty's Dock and Rope Yards
816,235
0
0
Building of Ships, Purchase of Stores of every Description, repairing Ships, Purchase of Ships taken from the Enemy,
3,757,259
3
8
Pilotage
29,000
0
0
Bills of Exchange, Imprests, and Contingencies
572,577
1
1
Exchequer Fees
9,000
0
0
Marine Service on Shore, and Half-pay to Marine officers
262,000
0
0
£.
s.
d.
7,345,821
4
9
VICTUALLING.
Provisions, and all Sorts of Victualling Stores, paid for in Bills
2,563,395
6
2
Provisions, &c. paid for in Ready Money
55,000
0
0
Bills of Exchange, and Imprests
436,000
0
0
Necessary and Extra necessary Money, and Contingencies
88,000
0
0
Wages to Officers, Workmen, &c. at the several Ports
124,900
0
0
Widows' Pensions
12,206
2
2
3,279,501
8
4
SICK AND WOUNDED.
Subsistence, Medicine, Bedding, &c. for Sick Seamen
220,000
0
0
Do.
Prisoners of War
57,000
0
0
277,000
0
0
TRANSPORTS.
Freight of Transports, and for Stores, Subsistence, &c. for Prisoners of War in Health, paid for in Bills at 90 Days' Date
690,028
12
4
Bills of Exchange, &c.
57,000
0
0
Subsistence, Clothing, &c. of Prisoners of War in Health, paid
110,000
0
0
857,028
12
4
H. DUNCAN.—S. GAMBIER.—F. J. HARTWELL.
£.
11,759,351
5
5
APPENDIX (G.) An Account of Monies paid by the Office of ORDNANCE, in the Year 1804, for
£.
s.
d.
Services at Home
3,351,583
9
2
Services at Abroad
198,557
12
9
Office of Ordnance,
£.
3,550,141
1
11
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APPENDIX (H.) An Account of Monies paid by the Right Hon. the Paymaster Gen. of his Majesty's
Pay and Allowances of the Forces, &c. Captains' Allowances, Off-reckonings, Re
£.
s.
d.
9,5000,000
0
0
Exchequer Fees
80,353
0
0
Garrisons
24,936
0
0
Pay of Officers
70,000
0
0
Staff
264,091
0
0
Barracks
1,786,048
0
0
Half Pay
228,000
0
0
Widows' Pensions
22,500
0
0
Chelsea Hospital
207,963
0
0
Extraordinaries
3,560,803
15
3
Pay Office, Horse Guards,
£.
15,744,694
15
3
APPENDIX (I.)—An Account of LOANS, REMITTANCES, and ADVANCES, to other Countries, in the
There was remitted out of Supplies 1804, to that Part of the United kingdom
£.
s.
d.
Out of Loan 1804, per Act 44 Geo. III. Cap. 47.
3,693,500
0
0
Out of Lotteries 1804, per Act 44 Geo. III. Cap. 93.
39,791
13
4
Whitehall, Treasury Chambers,
£
3,733,291
13
4
APPENDIX (K.)—An Account, shewing how the Monies remaining in the Receipt of the EXCHEQUER
SERVICES AT HOME.
For Repairs of the Marshalsea
£
s.
d.
particular Circumstances, became forfeited
£
s.
d.
2,000
0
0
204
0
0
Do. of the King's Bench Prison
2,000
0
0
Reimbursing Dr. Jenner the
725
10
6
The Purchase of Land, and the
10,000
0
0
Bounties on taking and bringing
5,000
0
0
To be applied in Support of the
1,500
0
0
Expenses attending the Execution of an Act for the Redemption of the Land Tax
3,374
12
11
To the Bank of England for Discount on Prompt Payments
£.
35,978
16
3
Expenses incurred in the Repairs of the Fleet Prison
2,063
13
1
Do. - for receiving the above
9,669
10
0
The French Clergy and Laity,
161,672
13
10
Do. - for receiving Contributions to Lotteries, 1803
3,000
0
0
Do. - for Discount on Prompt
1,534
13
0
Salaries to the Officers, and
1,961
15
0
Confining, maintaining, and employing Convicts at Home
39,447
19
7
The Royal Military Asylum at
27,000
0
0
John Gray, Esq. for Lottery
5,600
0
0
Purchase of House for Residence
1,281
4
0¼
A Clerk employed on Business
174
14
0
To complete the Purchase of
14,369
4
0
To the Commissioners for preparing and drawing Lotteries, 1803
6,300
0
0
The Charge of the Superintendence of Aliens
9,620
0
0
Additional Rewards to the said
1,700
0
0
Applied for the Benefit of the
49,221
10
0
Salaries and Expenses of American Commissioners
2,435
9
3
Towards defraying the Expense
35,000
0
0
To Officers of the Exchequer, for Exchequer Bills, 1804
500
0
0
Repaying Deposit on 40 Tickets
Defraying the Sums awarded to
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Article of the Treaty with
£.
s.
d.
erecting a Monument to the
£.
s.
d.
412,000
0
0
1,480
18
0
To make good Deficiency of
3,269
2
0
Do. Do. to the Memory of
1,112
15
0
Extraordinary Expenses incurred for Prosecutions relating to Coin, 1803
1,609
19
4
The last Instalment for Do. to
1,112
15
0
Towards enabling the Trustees
3,000
0
0
The Second Instalment for Do.
1,480
18
0
To make good to his Majesty's Civil List Revenues
Defraying the Charge of Works
5,000
0
0
Making a further Provision for
4,160
13
6
Expenses attending the digesting and abstracting Poor Returns
1,100
0
0
Towards further enabling the
8,000
0
0
5,289
18
9
Additional Allowances to Clerks
To be Paid to the Officers of the
3,905
0
0
The Furniture of a House in
2,099
19
9
To the Executors of the late Sir
4,871
1
4
The Purchase of Lands at
5,531
17
6
To defray the Expences of a
649
4
0
Do. at Woolwich and Charlton
57,066
6
1
Making up and publishing in
454
0
0
Defraying Law Charges, 1804
7,500
0
0
To discharge the Arrears and
591,842
3
10½
To pay Fees on passing Public
3,000
0
0
The Board of Agriculture, 1804
3,000
0
0
Thomas Macdonald, Esq. as
5,387
4
0
Towards Expence of the Public
6,115
2
6
Contingent Expences of the Act
1,060
10
0
Protestant Dissenting Ministers
4,943
1
0
To reimburse Expences incurred
560
0
0
Printing Journals, and Votes of
23,775
3
9
To be paid to Sheriffs for Conviction of Felons, and Overpayments, 1804
3,175
19
5¼
SERVICES ABROAD.
To defray the Extraordinary
1,000
0
0
His Majesty's Foreign and other
156,670
10
0
Maintaining and repairing British Forts and Settlements on the Coast of Africa
18,000
0
0
The Extra Charge of Contingencies of the Three secretaries of State, 1804
5,940
0
0
23,890
0
0
To pay Bills drawn from New
Do. Messengers. of Do.
1,118
17
0¾
The Civil Establishment of
290
0
0
Dominica Do.
600
0
0
Defraying Expences of the
10,000
0
0
Upper Canada, 1804
8,050
0
0
Cape Breton
2,040
0
0
To replace to his Majesty's Civil List Revenues the
Bahama Islands
4,100
0
0
New South Wales
10,049
4
5
To the Second Clerk Assistant
1,086
4
0
Nova Scotia
7,165
0
0
New Brunswick
4,650
0
0
Rewards to Persons employed
2,525
1
0
Saint John's
2,300
0
0
Newfoundland
1,715
0
0
The Second Instalment for
Sierra Leone
14,000
0
0
£.
1,882,074
14
8¾
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ccxli
An Account of the UNFUNDED DEBT and Demands outstanding on 5th of Jan. 1805;
EXCHEQUER BILLS:
By what Acts raised.
On what Fund charged.
Amount outstanding
39th and 40th Geo. III.
Cap. 28.
Aids Anno 1806, Extension of Bank
£.
s.
d.
Charter
3,000,000
0
0
43
Cap. 3.
Malt Tax
1803
326,000
0
0
43
Cap. 36.
Aids
1804
1,000
0
0
43
Cap. 93.
Ditto
2,463,500
0
0
43
Cap. 146.
Ditto
1,399,100
0
0
44
Cap. 15.
Ditto
4,630,900
0
0
44
Cap. 16.
Malt Tax
1804
750,000
0
0
44
Cap. 17.
Personal Estates
1804
111,000
0
0
44
Cap. 31
Aids
1804
1,903,900
0
0
44
Cap. 45.
Ditto
1805
5,865,100
0
0
44
Cap. 46.
Ditto
1,500,000
0
0
44
Cap. 73.
Ditto
1804
803,000
0
0
44
Cap. 81
Ditto
1805
2,500,000
0
0
25,253,500
0
0
TREASURY:
Miscellaneous Services
538,723
0
5¼
Warrants for Army Services
459,804
16
8
Treasury Bills accepted previous to and on 5th of January
234,792
16
8
1,233,320
13
9
ARMY:
Ordinary Services
660,240
8
11
Extraordinary
Nil.
660,240
8
11
Barracks
1,015,567
18
7
Ordnance
1,260,480
9
11
Navy
5,001,567
13
10¼
Civil List Advances
35,844
14
0¼
£.
34,460,521
19
0¾
Whitehall, Treasury Chambers,
W. HUSKISSON.
An Account of the Amount of the NOTES of the Governor and Company of the BANK OF ENGLAND in
Amount of Bank of England Notes of Five Pounds
Amount of Bank of England Notes of
1803.
December 15
£.
12,898,720
1803.
December 15
£.
4,426,670
1804.
January 15
12,744,810
1804.
January 15
4,719,400
February 15
13,012,480
February 15
4,681,880
March 15
12,016,530
March 15
4,648,380
April 15
14,509,670
April 15
4,826,250
May 15
12,698,940
May 15
4,646,560
June 15
12,835,990
June 15
4,583,040
July 15
13,052,010
July 15
4,742,990
August 15
12,240,810
August 15
4,732,160
September 15
12,036,150
September 15
4,778,280
October 15
11,976,950
October 15
4,907,810
November 15
11,976,530
November 15
4,700,060
December 15
12,355,310
December 15
4,657,260
1805.
January 15
12,626,220
1805.
January 15
4,772,790
February 15
13,781,480
February 15
4,729,450
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An Account of the Progress made in the REDEMPTION of the PUBLIC FUNDED DEBT
Funds.
Capitals.
Redeemed by
Total Sums paid
£.
s.
d.
£.
£.
s.
d.
Consolidated 3 per Cent. Ann.
336,196,558
4
5¼
34,195,387
21,004,346
16
7
Reduced
Do
129,154,625
18
5
45,398,372
27,496,960
0
3
Old South Sea Ann.
24,065,084
13
11½
3,327,600
2,395,896
3
9
New
Do.
Do.
2,650,000
1,913,448
16
9
3 per Cent.
Do. Anno 1751
1,919,600
0
0
673,000
498,651
15
0
491,335,868
16
9¾
86,244,359
Consolidated 4 per Cent. Ann.
49,425,084
17
2
2,617,400
2,278,402
1
3
Do.
5 per Cent. Do.
28,125,582
19
7
142,000
126,998
7
6
Additional capital, by act 44 Geo. III. cap. 99
13,263,553
8
9
5 per Cent Ann. 1797 and 1802, after deducting
l.
s.
d.
9,088,902
16
3
3 per Cent.
Do.
1726
1,000,000
0
0
Do.
Bank Ann.
11,686,800
0
0
603,925,792
18
6½
89,003,759
55,714,704
1
1
Transferred to the Commissrs. by reason of Land
21,794,307
17
3
Debt existing 1st Feb. 1805.
582,131,485
1
0¾
Redeemed by the Commissioners
89,003,759
0
0
Debt unredeemed 1st Feb. 1805.
493,128,726
1
3¾
An Account of the Progress made in the REDEMPTION of the PUBLIC DEBT of IRELAND
Funds.
Capitals.
Redeemed
Total Sums
Average
Sums
£.
£.
£.
s.
d.
1 per Cent. on
339,259
19
3
3per Ct.
Consol.
Ann.
20,769,250
1,004,613
618,286
7
3
61⅝
Do.
reduced
Do.
12,758,750
1,170,486
695,152
3
2
59⅜
33,528,000
2,175,099
1,313,438
10
5
60⅜
Dividend on
£.
65,252
19
5
4 per Ct.
Consol.
Do.
300,000
33,828,000
Redeemed by Comissrs.
2,175,099
Unredeemed Feb. 1, 1805.
31,652,001
404,512
18
8
EXCHEQUER,
JAMES FISHER.
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ccxlv
of GREAT BRITAIN, at 1st February, 1805; distinguishing the Capitals of the several
Average
Sums
Annuities
£.
s.
d.
61½
Annual Charge, by Act
1,000,000
0
0
Exch. Ann. 2 et 3 Annæ, viz.
£.
s.
d.
60⅝
Ditto,
42 ditto
200,000
0
0
Expired at 5th Apr. 1803
23,369
13
4
Ditto
Jan. 1805
7,030
6
8
72
Annuities for 99 and 96
54,880
14
6
Do. 4 Annæ, exp. Ap. 5, 1805
23,254
11
6
Do. 5
do.
1806
7,776
10
0
Do. 6
do.
1807
4,710
10
0
72¼
Annuities for 10 Years,
25,000
0
0
Do.
do.
July 5, 1807
10,181
0
0
Bank Long Ann. expire 1860
1,047,494
5
4½
Do.
Short do.
1808
418,333
0
11
74⅛
Life Annuities unclaimed for 3 Years, or of
49,376
15
7
N. B. By an Act 42 Geo. III.
87
Ditto on
£.
2,587,330
15
4
89¾
Ditto on
£.
104,696
0
0
Ditto on
£.
7,100
0
0
62⅝
Annuity at 1 per Cent.
2,807,240
16
9
6,835,625
2
2
An Account of the Progress made in the REDEMPTION of the IMPERIAL DEBT,
Funds.
Capitals.
Redeemed
Total Sums
Average
Sums
£.
£.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Imperial 3 per Cent.
3,669,300
Redeemed
550,228
550,228
316,595
0
11
57½
1 per Cent. on
36,693
0
0
Unredeemed at 1st
3,119,072
£.
16,506
16
10
£.
53,199
16
10
Office for Reduction of
G. T. GOODENOUGH.
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ccxlvii
An Account of all the PENSIONS granted by the CROWN, between the 1st May, 1804,
Pensions by Sign Manual, payable out of the Civil
List.
Dates of
Names.
Pensions
£.
s.
d.
Dates of
Names.
Pensions
11
Oct.
1804,
Charles Lord Whit
2,300
0
0
£.
s.
d.
Ditto
Sir James Craufurd
1,000
0
0
9
May,
1804,
Percy Viscount Strang
300
0
0
Ditto
Sir Richard Worsley,
600
0
0
31
Ditto
Alleyne Ld St. Helens
2,300
0
0
19
Nov.
Thomas Earl of Elign
2,000
0
0
1
Feb.
Robert Liston, Esq.
2,000
0
0
Ditto
More to them, in trust
100
0
0
Pensions by Patent.
13
June
1804.
Right Hon. William
1,200
0
0
19
Nov.
Rt. Hon. Issac Corry
1,200
0
0
Ditto
More to them, in trust
100
0
0
Pensions granted under the Authority of His Majesty's
Ditto
Rev. Herbert Marsh
514
0
0
Ditto
Dame Sarah Burdett
100
0
0
2
May
1804,
George Houseen, Porter
30
0
0
Ditto
Priscilla Wilcocke (now
100
0
0
14
Ditto
Mary Faddy
40
0
0
3
Ditto
R. Robinson, one of the
375
0
0
10
July,
ditto,
John Clementson, Esq.
386
0
0
Ditto
William Gimber, Ditto
337
10
0
12
Ditto
Mary Ann Bruce, Wi
80
0
0
8
August
Margaret Catherine As
50
0
0
Ditto
Philippa Melusina As
50
0
0
23
Ditto
James Abercrombie and
300
0
0
16
Ditto
Alice Waller, Widow of
20
0
0
4
June
H. Fishley, Master Ship
200
0
0
11
Jan.
1805,
David Dundas and Isa
300
0
0
9
Ditto
Isabella Jones, Widow
25
0
0
3
July
Hester Mufflett, Widow
20
0
0
28
Ditto
Augusta Brudenell
131
0
0
Ditto
Robert Brudenell
131
0
0
Ditto
Catherine Dent (now
50
0
0
9
Ditto
William White, Master
150
0
0
Ditto
Cotton Dent
50
0
0
Ditto
Sophia Dent
50
0
0
Ditto
Caroline Dent (now
50
0
0
14
Ditto
John Kingdom, First
350
0
0
20
Feb.
ditto,
Elizabeth Dalamaine
100
0
0
Late Ministers at Foreign Courts.
20
Ditto
James Smith, Master
300
0
0
31
July
1804,
Daniel Hailes, Esq. in
£.
1,127
0
0
21
Ditto
Doctor R. T. Blair, in
50
0
0
1
August
William Lord Auckland
2,300
0
0
28
Ditto
Francis Collins, wound
2
s.
d.
7
Sept.
Richard Shepherd, Esq.
250
0
0
3
August
Mr. W. Seaman, Clerk
65
0
0
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Dates of
Names.
Pensions
Dates of
Names.
Pensions
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
7
Aug.
1804,
Dr. John Lind, Senior
300
0
0
30
Mar.
1805,
Francis Stephens, one
400
0
0
9
Ditto
Mary Dixon, Widow of
100
0
0
Pensions Payable out of Old Stores.
10
Mar.
1804,
Sir William D'Arley
216
0
0
10
Ditto
Ed. Sneyd Clay, in con
5
s.
13
Ditto
Lady Thompson
150
0
0
15
June
T. Fitzgerald, Clerk in
150
0
0
22
Ditto
John Woodin, Master
125
0
0
24
October
Lucy Marsh
300
0
0
31
Jan.
1805,
Benjamin Tucker
*1000
0
0
2
October
Charlotte Canes, Wi
70
0
0
12
Feb.
Frances Jane Elizabeth
l.
100
0
0
3
Ditto
Mary Epworth, Jane
25 each
Royal Bounties, as approved by his Majesty, payable
5
May,
1804,
Mrs. Singleton, Widow
50
0
0
9
Nov.
Ann Maclean, Widow
25
0
0
18
Ditto
Mrs. Maclaurin, Widow
50
0
0
Ditto
John Edwards, a Boat
10
0
0
16
Nov.
Michael Hagan, late
12
0
0
30
October
Mrs. Eliz. Fearon, and
50 each
12
Dec.
Elias Marshall, Master
225
0
0
Pension payable out of the Revenue of the Isle of Man.
25
Dittio
Mary Mitford, Widow
100
0
0
9
Oct.
1804,
A. Shaw, Esq. late Go
300
0
0
Pensions payable out of the Duties of
l. per Cent. in
5
Jan.
1805,
Richard Lumley, Lieut.
5
s.
9
Ditto
Thomas Cole, Lieut. lost
5
s.
22
Ditto
Benjamin Slade, Master
150
0
0
14
May,
1804,
Robert Mitford and John
616
0
0
25
Ditto
E. Falkingham, a Clerk
375
0
0
28
Ditto
Murdo Robertson, late
5
s.
Ditto
J. A. Hodgskin, Lieut.
5
s.
15
Ditto
Miss Letitia Morgan and
l.
100
0
0
14
Feb.
William Brittain, second
50
0
0
16
July
Miss Rosalie Huyghues
91
5
0
Ditto
William Frood, Master
150
0
0
11
Jan.
1805,
The Rev. R. Elliott, in
500
0
0
Pensions granted under the Privy Seal of Scotland.
13
Ditto
James W. Gabriel, Lieut.
5
s.
18
May,
1804,
A. Fraser, Esq. in Trust
100
0
0
7
March
John Luffman, Second
100
0
0
26
Ditto
Catherine Keppel, Wi
100
0
0
*
l.
l.
Ditto
Louisa Keppel, Daugh
25
0
0
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Dates of
Names.
Pensions
Dates of
Names.
Pensions
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
28
Oct.
1804,
William Law, Esq.
200
0
0
22
Oct.
1804,
Mary Ann Johnston
60
0
0
Ditto
Helen Dalrymple
50
0
0
Ditto
Janet Anderson
100
0
0
Ditto
Margaret Dalrymple
50
0
0
Ditto
Magdaline Goldie
100
0
0
Ditto
Elizabeth Dalrymple
50
0
0
Ditto
James Lapslie
50
0
0
Ditto
Helen Burnett
40
0
0
Ditto
C. Hope and D. William
l.
300
0
0
Ditto
Elizabeth Burnett
40
0
0
Ditto
Christian Burnett
40
0
0
Ditto
Lamont Burnett
40
0
0
Ditto
Dame Mary Dacre Clerk
100
0
0
Ditto
Mrs. Francis Wall
100
0
0
Ditto
Jane Ogilvie
25
0
0
Ditto
Rebecca Ogilvie
25
0
0
Ditto
Menzies Baillie, Widow
50
0
0
Ditto
Mary Ogilvie
25
0
0
Ditto
Jane Stewart
50
0
0
Ditto
Kath. Stewart Murray
100
0
0
Ditto
Grace Stewart
50
0
0
Ditto
Agnes Scott
100
0
0
Ditto
Ann Stewart
50
0
0
Ditto
Rachael Cleghorn
50
0
0
Ditto
Eliza Mac Laurin
100
0
0
Ditto
Jane Cleghorn
50
0
0
Ditto
Marion Maxton
100
0
0
Ditto
Ann Cleghorn
50
0
0
Ditto
Ann Boyd
100
0
0
Ditto
W. Adam and J. Chal
50
0
0
Ditto
Jane Brown
60
0
0
Pensions on the Irish Establishment.
Ditto
Ditto, in Trust for Janet
50
0
0
20
Mar.
1805,
Dame Mary Pitt, Wife
600
0
0
Ditto
Mrs. Jane Baillie
40
0
0
Ditto
Elizabeth Baillie
40
0
0
Ditto
R. Wynne, Esq. his Ex
300
0
0
Ditto
Jane Baillie
40
0
0
Ditto
Louisa Cicil
100
0
0
Ditto
Margaret & Ann Halkett
100
0
0
Ditto
Mary Bruce
100
0
0
Ditto
Margaret Christie
25
0
0
Ditto
Helen Christie
25
0
0
Ditto
Kath. Margaret Swin
100
0
0
Ditto
T. M'Kenna, Esq. sen.
300
0
0
Ditto
Betty Murray
50
0
0
Ditto
Louisa Mackay
100
0
0
Whitehall, Treasury Chambers,
W. HUSKISSON.
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An Account of the CONSOLIDATED FUND of IRELAND for the Year ended the 5th January 1805; and also the actual Payments thereout, within
INCOME.
ACTUAL
CHARGE.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Balance on the consolidated fund remaining in
293877
3
7½
Interest on funded debt, including annuities
1971868
4
8¾
2044587
1
1¼
Customs and Excise Duties, including quit rents
2837913
—
1½
Interest on unfunded debt
95164
14
11
96533
8
3¾
Stamp duties, including compensation from the
342903
14
10½
Sinking fund and management
539737
19
1
539737
19
1
Principal of debentures
—
2275
—
—
Post-office revenue
42135
—
7½
Principal of Exchequer bills
1700200
—
—
1714008
6
8
Duty on wrought plate
2548
8
7
Lottery prizes
892
—
—
28676
—
—
Poundage fee
31965
13
—½
Discount on prompt payment of loan depo
30009
17
3
30009
17
3
Pells fee
6393
1
11¾
Relief of loyalists
8378
3
3
8378
3
3
3557736
2
10¼
Compensation for losses by the union
33456
7
3¾
33456
7
3¾
Inland navigations
42461
12
—¼
42461
12
—¼
4422168
18
8¼
4540123
15
1
Repayment from Great Britain for seamen's
—
60861
10
1
Gain by exchange on sums received from Great
—
107172
19
7¾
Civil list
162498
1
5
unascertained
Other monies paid to the public
—
20094
16
8
Pensions
128233
13
1¾
Permanent parliament payments
184784
16
3
3745865
9
3
Military purpose
4318420
15
10
Vote of Credit
192962
9
10¾
Annual grants
239137
2
8
9648205
18
—¾
unascertained
EXTRAORDINARY RESOURCES.
On account of loans, including 800000
l.
—
6124709
12
11
From Great Britain on account of of the
—
42250
—
—
Surplus of the consolidated fund on the 5th
264619
4
2¼
£.
9912825
2
3
£.
9912825
2
3
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cclv
Abstract Statement of the PUBLIC INCOME of IRELAND, for the Year ending the 5th of
Ordinary Revenues.
Gross Receipt
Total Receipt
Re-payments,
Charges
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Customs
1883722
2
10¾
4614691
8
11⅜
343006
13
5½
358054
—
8½
Excise
1681610
12
8⅜
Stamps
394537
19
4¾
491167
18
—¼
7272
6
8
27344
4
8¼
Post-office
118429
9
8
141708
18
9½
15752
2
11
63696
13
9
Poundage fees
31965
13
—½
31965
13
—½
—
—
Pells fees
6363
1
11¾
6393
1
11¾
—
—
Duty on wrought plate
2548
8
7
2548
8
7
—
—
Casualties
3503
12
3½
3503
12
3½
—
—
Total ordinary Revenues
4122711
—
6⅝
5291979
1
7⅞
366031
3
—½
449094
19
1¾
Extraordinary Resources.
Public coal yards
900
—
—
900
—
—
—
—
Sundry persons, on ac. of rice, In
6561
2
9½
6561
2
9½
—
—
Gain by exch. on sums rec. from G. B.
107172
19
7¾
107172
19
7¾
—
—
Corn. of Navy, on ac. of adv. by coll.
60861
10
1
60861
10
1
—
—
From G. Br. on ac. of profit on lot. 1804
42250
—
—
42250
—
—
—
—
Other monies paid to the Public
8801
1
7½
8801
1
7½
—
—
Appropriated Duties for local Objects.
Linen manufacture
1068
6
6
1234
16
3 ½
—
—
Improvement of Dublin
10666
7
9
12141
5
9 ½
25
3
1
—
Repairs of Royal Ex. & com. buildings
1485
4
6
1903
7
1 ½
—
—
Lagan navigation
2885
13
7
3210
4
9
1282
1
4
80
3
8
Prefbyterian ministers
8904
17
6 ½
8904
17
6 ½
—
—
Total, independent of the loans
4374268
4
6 ⅞
5545920
7
3 ⅝
367338
7
4 ½
449175
Loans paid into the Exchequer
5324709
12
11 ½
5324709
12
11 ½
—
—
2
9 ¾
Grand Total
9698977
17
6 ⅜
10870630
—
3 ⅛
367338
7
4 ½
449175
2
9 ¾
NOTES.
Rates of Collect. per Ct.
Gross Rev.
Net Rev.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Customs and Excise
10
0
10 ⅛
11
3
3 ¼
Stamps
6
18
7 ½
7
8
11
Post-office
53
15
116
116
7
9
The appropriated balances in the Exchequer, on the 5th of
£30029
15
11
323976
19
6 ½
R.
The unappropriated balances in the Exchequer, on the 5th of
293877
3
7
The appropriated balances in the Exchequer, on the 5th of
13621
15
11
278241
—
1 ¼
The unappropriated balances in the Exchequer, on the 5th of
264619
4
2 ¼
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cclvii
Jan. 1805. [N.B.
All the annual Accounts of the Treasury are made up to the 5th of Jan.
Total Payments
Net produce ap-
Payments for
Bounties for
Total payments
Payments
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
701060
14
2
3913630
14
9 ⅜
50144
2
11
23063
7
5
73207
10
4
2838242
—
1 ½
34616
11
4 ¼
456351
6
8
—
—
—
342903
14
10 ½
79448
16
8
62260
2
1 ½
—
—
—
42135
—
7 ¼
—
31965
13
— ½
—
—
—
31965
13
— ½
—
6393
1
11 ¾
—
—
—
6393
1
11 ¾
—
2548
8
7
—
—
—
2548
8
7
—
3503
12
3 ½
—
—
—
3503
12
3 ½
815126
2
2 ¼
4476852
19
5 ⅝
50144
2
11
23063
7
5
73207
10
4
3267691
11
6 ¼
—
900
—
—
—
—
—
900
—
—
—
6561
2
9 ½
—
—
—
6561
2
9 ½
—
107172
19
7 ¾
—
—
—
107172
19
7 ¾
—
60861
10
1
—
—
—
60861
10
1
—
42250
—
—
—
—
—
42250
—
—
—
8801
1
7 ½
—
—
—
8801
1
7 ½
—
1234
16
3 ½
—
—
—
149
19
8
25
3
12216
2
9 ½
—
—
—
9922
16
11 ½
—
1903
7
1 ½
—
—
—
1644
2
5 ¾
1362
5
1847
19
9
—
—
—
1500
—
—
—
8904
17
6 ½
—
—
—
8904
17
6 ¼
816513
10
2 ¼
4729406
17
1 ⅜
50144
2
11
23063
7
5
73207
10
4
3516360
2
3 ¼
—
5324709
12
11 ½
5324709
12
11 ¼
816513
10
2 ¼
10054116
10
— ⅞
50144
2
11
23063
7
5
73207
10
4
8841069
15
3
NOTES.
BALANCES.
Balances in the
Balance in the
Bills in the
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
5 Jan. 1804 -
664179
2
10⅞
24394
5
0¾
98738
17
11
5 Jan. 1805 -
430677
6
2⅝
—
138196
12
3¾
The amount of the Exchequer bills issued for the Public service between the 5th of January 1804 and the 5th of January 1805, and not redeemed within that period, was
£.
Accountant-general's Office, 28th Feb. 1805.
cclviii
cclix
Account of the PUBLIC EXPENDITURE of IRELAND for the Year ending on the 5th of
[
N.B. For the particulars under each head, see the several accounts referred to by the letters A, B, &c.
SEPARATE EXPENSE OF IRELAND
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
I.
For interest on the funded debt of Ireland, inclu
l.
2423773
2
5
For charge of management thereon
—
—
—
20197
13
1¼
There was also applied, towards the reduction of
67635
8
4
2491408
10
9
Where was applied, towards the reduction of the
666829
4
5
Total on account of interest
1824579
6
4
Ditto, for charge of management
20197
13
1¼
Ditto, on account of the reduction of the national
666829
4
5
—
—
—
2511606
3
10¼
II.
The interest on Exchequer bills (B.)
—
—
—
—
—
—
95164
14
11½
III.
Issues for purposes appointed by the Parliament
—
—
—
—
—
—
1815397
19
10½
IV.
Issues from appropriated funds for local Pur
—
—
—
—
—
—
38599
16
7½
Total separate Expense
—
—
—
—
—
—
4460768
15
3¾
JOINT EXPENSE WITH GREAT-BRITAIN
V.
Civil List
—
—
—
162498
1
5½
Pensions
128233
13
1¾
Other permanent charges (E.)
184784
16
3½
475516
10
10¾
VI.
Payments in anticipation of Exch. receipts, viz.
Bounties
—
—
—
23063
7
5
Militia, army of reserve, deserters warrants,
50144
2
11
73207
10
4
VII
Ordnance (G.)
—
—
—
—
—
—
400000
—
—
VIII.
Army—Ordinary service, viz.
Regulars, militia, and volunteer corps
—
—
—
2771261
2
2
Barracks
—
—
—
493228
6
10½
Staff officers and officers of garrisons
—
—
—
72730
1
7¼
Half-pay and supernumerary officers,
—
—
—
37217
5
10¼
Officers widows
—
—
—
6482
4
9½
Royal Hospital
—
—
—
41511
12
4¾
Public officers, their deputies, clerks,
—
—
—
6411
13
1
3428842
6
9¼
Extraordinary services
489578
9
1¼
3918420
15
10½
IX.
Miscellaneous services (I.)
—
—
—
—
—
—
239137
2
8½
Lastly, Vote of credit (K.)
—
—
—
—
—
—
192962
9
10¾
Total joint Expense
—
—
—
—
—
—
5299244
9
8½
Grand Total
—
—
—
—
—
—
9760013
5
—¾
cclx
cclxi
(A. 1. ) An Account of the Monies paid out of the Receipt of the Exchequer, in the Year
Interest and Annuities
Charge
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Interest, &c. on the funded debt of Ireland
2423773
2
5
20197
13
1¼
20197
13
1¼
2443970
15
6¼
Annual Issue for the reduction of the national debt
67635
8
4
2511605
3
10¼
(A. 2.) An Account of the total Amount of the Sums actually received by the Commissioners
In Great Britain.
In Ireland.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Annual issue
—
—
—
67635
8
4
Expired annuities
—
—
—
2250
0
0
Appropriation of 1
l.
323169
2
4
146120
2
4½
323169
2
4
216005
10
8½
Interest on debt of Ireland redeemed
65146
4
0
62508
7
4½
388315
6
4
278513
18
1
278513
18
1
666829
4
5
(B.) An Account of the INTEREST on EXCHEQUER BILLS, with the Payments made in the
There remained unclaimed on the 5th January 1804, interest on Exchequer
l.
£.
s.
d.
629
3
4¼
Charge for Interest.
On
£.
2700
0
0
20000—at 5
l.
—
to 15th Dec.1804
8890
7
6
30000—at do.
-
from do.
—
to 30th May 1804
13952
—
—
60000—at do.
-
from do.
—
to 24th May 1804
30000
—
—
100000—at do.
-
from 24th July to 24th July1804
5000
—
—
500000—at do.
-
from 1st August to 31st July 1804
25000
—
—
100000—at do.
-
from 24th July 1804 to 24th Aug. foll.
416
13
4
100000—at do.
-
from 24th Aug. 1804 to 25th Dec. foll.
1684
18
7½
200000—at do.
-
from 25th do.
to.
do.
3342
9
4
300000—at do.
-
from 29th Sept.
to
do.
3575
6
10
100000—at do.
-
from 23d Oct.
to.
do.
863
—
3½
100000—at do.
-
from 20th Nov.
to.
do.
479
9
—½
96533
8
3¾
Deduct interest which remained unclaimed on 5th January 1805
1368
13
4¼
Total payments for interest on Exchequer bills, in the year to 5th January 1805
£
95164
14
11½
(C.) An Account of PAYMENTS made for Purposes appointed by the PARLIAMENT of
For relief of suffering loyalists
£.
3
3½
Compensation for losses by the union
33456
7
3¾
Inland navigations, grant of 1800
42461
12
—¼
Lottery prizes
892
—
—
Principal of Exchequer Bills
1700200
—
—
Discount on prompt payment of loan deposits, &c.
30009
17
3
1815397
19
10½
cclxii
cclxiii
(D.) An Account of PAYMENTS made from the Funds appropriated for local Purposes
£.
s.
d.
For Promoting the linen and hempen manufacture
686
6
3
Lagan navigation
997
10
0
Improving the city of Dublin
8,651
10
2½
Repairs of the Royal Exchange and commercial buildings (Dublin)
1,262
13
8½
Voluntary contributions
13,901
1
4½
Presbyterian ministers
13,007
6
4
Fish bounty
93
8
9
38,599
16
7½
(E.) An Account of PAYMENTS in the Year to the January 1805, under the several
£.
s.
d.
Arrear on the civil list on the 5th January 1804
54,754
18
8½
Charge for ditto — for One Year to the 25th December 1804
145,000
0
0
199,754
18
8½
Deduct arrear on the 5th January 1805
37,256
17
3
£.
s.
d.
Issues to the civil list in one year to the 5th January 1805
—
—
192,498
1
5½
Pensions
—
—
128,233
13
1¾
Other permanent charges, viz.
Public infirmaries
3,825
0
0
Public coal-yards
3,102
4
4¼
Army baggage
15,670
18
2½
Lottery expenses
3,962
19
3
Police establishment
17,225
19
1½
Inspector-general of Prisons
200
0
0
Transportation of felons
4,344
5
2
Fees on auditing Treasury accounts
1,715
19
7
Imprest-office
2,400
0
0
Secret service in detecting treasonable conspiracies
7,216
9
10
Annuities and compensation allowances
93,864
6
2¼
Judges additional salaries, &c.
30,556
13
7
Commission of enquiry
700
0
0
184,784
16
3¾
745,516
10
10¾
(F. 1.) An Account of the Amount of BOUNTIES paid out of the Public Revenue, in
£.
s.
d.
On linen exported
11,423
17
4½
Fishing vessels
5,333
13
5
Bark imported
3,777
19
0
Irish coals brought coastways to Dublin
81
18
0
Irish cured fish exported
338
1
2
Irish fish oil exported
46
18
0
Fish imported
864
18
0
Corn exported
1,196
2
5½
23,063
7
5
(F. 2.) An Account of the Amount of PAYMENTS to the MILITIA, ARMY of RESERVE,
£.
s.
d.
Militia payments
25,750
3
10
Army of reserve ditto
22,741
10
4
Deserters warrants
873
0
0
Straggling seamens ditto
53
15
3½
Fortification payments
725
13
5½
50,144
2
11
cclxiv
cclxv
(G.) An Account of MONIES paid to the Office of ORDINANCE, in the Year to the 5th
Payments to the ordnance for the grant of 1804
—
—
£.
(H.) An Account of MONIES paid on Account of His MAJESTY'S FORCES in IRELAND,
£
s.
d.
For Regiments of the line
1385566
7
3¾
Militia
736468
9
4½
Volunteer corps
622615
1
0
Contingencies, &c. for land forces
1769
0
7¾
Military hospitals and medicaments
20183
14
4
Royal military infirmary
4658
9
6
2771261
2
2
Barracks
493228
6
10½
Staff officers, and officers of garrisons
72730
1
7¼
Half pay and supernumerary officers and reduced chaplains
37217
5
10¼
Officers widows
6482
4
9½
Royal hospital
41511
12
4¾
Muster-master general, and other public officers, their deputies, clerks, and incidental
6411
13
1
3428842
6
9¼
Extraordinaries
489758
9
1¼
3918420
15
10½
(I.) An Account, shewing the PAYMENTS in the Year ending the 5th January, 1805, for
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
To Stephen Moore, Esq. accountant-general, for his expense and trouble
340
0
0
John Smart, Esq. deputy-accountant-general, for the like
240
0
0
Paul le Bas, Esq. examinator of corn bounties, for keeping the accounts
200
0
0
Robert Marshall, Esq. Inspector-general of imports and exports, for his
250
0
0
Roger Wetherall, first clerk in the Inspector-general of Imports and
200
0
0
George Hatton, examinator of excise, for extra trouble and expense in
200
0
0
Samuel Hood, assistant examinator of excise, for the like
150
0
0
Thomas Haffield, clerk in the office of the Auditor of the Exchequer, for
200
0
0
1780
0
0
The expense of civil buildings in Ireland, for one year to the 5th
25000
0
0
For printing and binding 250 copies of the public general acts of 44th
900
0
0
For publishing proclamations and advertisements in the Dublin
7026
9
10½
For printing, stationary, and other disbursements for several public
20410
0
0
For Treasury incidents
2000
0
0
For apprehending public offenders
3237
2
2½
For criminal prosecution and other law expenses of government
25000
0
0
For expense of pratique in the port of Dublin
1047
10
2
For working his Majesty's gold-mine in the county of Wicklow
1401
3
5¾
For clothing battle-axe guards
740
0
0
For clothing his Majesty's heralds, puisuivants at arms, and state
1036
0
0
For the purchase of the place of the Archbishop of Dublin at Saint
700
0
0
94848
5
8¾
Carried forward
96628
5
8¾
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cclxvii
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Brought forward
—
96628
5
8¾
The board of first fruits for building new and repairing old churches, &c.
5000
0
0
The Commissioners for making wide and convenient streets in Dublin
4500
0
0
The corporation for paving, cleansing, and lighting the streets of Dublin
10000
0
0
The Dublin society, for promoting Husbaodry, and other useful arts
5500
0
0
More, towards completing additional building at their repository and
4500
0
0
The farming society
2000
0
0
The linen and hempen manufacture
21600
0
0
53100
0
0
The incorporated society for promoting English protestant schools
20129
6
4
The secretary to the commissioners of charitable donations and bequests
400
0
0
The association for discountenancing vice
1000
0
0
The female orphan house near Dublin
1211
17
1¼
The penitentiary for young criminals in Dublin
1750
0
0
The foundling hospital in Dublin
22500
0
0
The hibernian marine society
1937
14
8
The hibernian school for soldiers children
4500
0
0
The Westmorland lock hospital in Dublin
6749
13
0
The fever hospital and house of recovery in Dublin
515
9
3¼
The house of industry in Dublin
18399
16
1
The Roman catholic seminary
8000
0
0
The lying-in hospital Dublin
2315
0
6
89408
16
11½
239137
2
8¼
(K.) An Account of the Amount of Payments from the VOTE of CREDIT, in the Year
Amount of Payments for Vote or Credit (see Account of Distribution thereof)
£.
9
10¼
(1.) An Account of the Value of all IMPORTS into and all EXPORTS from IRELAND, for the
£.
s.
d.
Official Value of Imports
5718945
3
4
Official Value
Irish Produce and Manufactures
£.
11
10
British and Foreign Articles
160158
9
10
5063073
1
8
Note.
(2.)—An Account of the Number of VESSELS, with the Amount of their Tonnage, which
Number of Vessels.
Amount of Tonnage.
36
1547
Tons.
(3.)—An Account of the Number of VESSELS. with the Amount of their Tonnage, and
Vessels.
Tons.
Men.
1061
58060
5176
cclxviii
cclxix
An Account of the UNFUNDED DEBT of IRELAND, and Demands outstanding, on the 5th
Loan Debentures:
Residue of debentures bearing 4
l.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Old loan
-
-
-
275
0
0
Loan by lottery 1780
-
-
-
1250
0
0
Loan by lottery 1781
-
-
-
750
0
0
(a) 2275
0
0
Exchequer Bills:
Outstanding Exchequer bills, provided for
Payable 24 June – 1783
8
6
8
24 June – 1790
50
0
0
24 June – 1791
100
0
0
24 June – 1795
300
0
0
25 Dec. – 1798
400
0
0
24 June – 1801
100
0
0
24 June – 1802
100
0
0
25 March – 1803
12750
0
0
(a) 13808
6
8
Exchequer Bills not in course of payment
38 Geo. III. payable 25 March 1806 (
b
30000
0
0
44 Geo. III.
Payable on or before
24 Aug. 1805 -
100000
0
0
25 Aug. 1805 -
200000
0
0
29 Sep. 1805 -
300000
0
0
25 Oct. 1805 -
100000
0
0
20 Nov. 1805 -
100000
0
0
830000
0
0
843808
6
8
Lottery Prizes:
Outstanding lottery prizes of the several lotteries, from the year 1782 to
27784
0
0
Loan from Great Britain, for paying the prizes of the Irish lotteries 1801.
299000
0
0
Total
1172867
6
8
(a) Provision has been made for these sums by several acts of parliament.
(b) To be provided for by the Grand Canal Company, to whom they were issued. The remaining sums to be provided for.
cclxx
cclxxi
An Account of the PUBLIC FUNDED DEBT of Ireland, as the same stood on the 5th of January
By what Acts created.
Sums
Payable in DUBLIN:
payable in
3
l.
s.
4
l.
5
l.
5
l.
3
l.
3
l.
L.
L.
L.
L.
L.
L.
L.
13 Geo. III.
—
—
265000
—
—
—
—
—
—
15 Geo. III.
—
—
175000
—
—
—
—
—
—
17 Geo. III.
—
—
300000
—
—
—
—
—
—
25 Geo. III.
—
—
—
—
—
—
—
—
—
27 Geo. III.
—
—
200000
200000
—
—
—
—
—
28 Geo. III.
—
—
918240
918240
—
—
—
—
—
27, 29, and 31 Geo. III.
174600
—
174600
—
—
—
—
33 Geo. III.
—
—
200000
—
—
200000
—
—
—
Vote of credit, 11 June 1793
150000
—
—
150000
—
—
—
34 Geo. III.
—
—
1029650
—
—
487983
500000
—
—
35 Geo. III.
—
—
1591666
—
—
400000
1100000
—
—
36 Geo. III.
—
—
640000
—
—
640000
—
—
—
Vote of credit, 18 Oct. 1796
325000
—
—
—
300000
—
—
37 Geo. III.
—
—
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41 Geo. III.
—
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—
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43 Geo. III.
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An Account, shewing how the MONIES granted for the Service of the Year 1804, for IRE
SERVICES.
Sums granted.
Sums paid.
Remains.
Forces:
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Army with garrisons and their incidents(1161168l. 2s. 11d. British)
£.
s.
d.
1257932
3
1
Augmentation of the forces
75833
6
8
The Queen's German regiment
24754
0
7
Allowance to non-commissioned
74330
15
0
On account of the recruiting ser
101000
0
0
1533850
5
4
1392341
19
10
141508
5
6
Militia, (640657l. 17s. British)
694046
0
0
Contingencies for embodied mili
12056
15
10
Allowances to non-commissioned
43172
8
4
749275
4
2
736468
9
9½
12806
14
9½
Volunteer corps, (1290567l. 13s. 11d. British)
1398115
0
0
622615
1
0
775499
19
0
Recruiting, contingencies, &c. (5404l. 16s. 2d. Bri
5855
4
10
1769
0
7¾
4086
4
2¼
General staff officers, including the permanent al
66123
12
4½
65954
9
1
169
3
3½
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1012
3
7
1012
3
7
Muster master general, and other principal officers
9581
15
5¼
6411
13
1
3170
2
4¼
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47900
5
1
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720
17
6
48621
2
7
36205
2
3¼
12416
0
3¾
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49011
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41511
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4¾
7499
11
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6500
0
0
6482
4
9½
17
15
2½
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500377
19
0
493228
6
10½
7149
12
1½
General hospital expenses, and the charge of the
25500
0
0
24842
3
10
657
16
2
Extraordinary services of the army (600000l. British)
650000
0
0
489578
9
1¼
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330000
0
0
Carried forward
160421
10
10
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An Account, shewing how the MONIES granted for the Service of the Year 1804, for IRE
Continued
SERVICES—
Continued.
Sums granted.
Sums paid.
Remains.
Forces:
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Brought forward
—
—
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70000
0
0
400000
0
0
400000
0
0
Vote of credit, to enable his majesty to take such
800000
0
0
192962
9
10¾
607037
10
1¼
For paying off and discharging treasury bills, due in
1700000
0
0
1700000
0
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Public Officers for several Services:
Accountant-general
340
0
0
340
0
0
Deputy-accountant-general
240
0
0
240
0
0
Examinator of corn bounties
200
0
0
200
0
0
Inspector-general of imports and exports
250
0
0
250
0
0
First clerk to ditto
200
0
0
200
0
0
Examinator of excise
200
0
0
200
0
0
Assistant examinator of excise
150
0
0
150
0
0
Clerk in the office of the auditor of the exchequer
200
0
0
200
0
0
Miscellaneous Services:
Civil Buildings
25000
0
0
25000
0
0
Printing and binding 250 copies of the Public Ge
900
0
0
900
0
0
Publishing proclamations and advertisements in the
7026
9
10½
7026
9
10½
Printing, stationary, and other disbursements, for
20410
0
0
20410
0
0
Treasury incidents
2000
0
0
2000
0
0
Apprehending public offenders
5000
0
0
3237
2
2½
1762
17
9½
Criminal prosecutions and other law expenses of government
25000
0
0
25000
0
0
Expense of pratique in the port of Dublin
1047
10
2
1047
10
2
Working his Majesty's gold mine in the county of
1401
3
5¾
1401
3
5¾
Cloathing battle axe guards
740
0
0
740
0
0
Cloathing his Majesty's heralds pursuivants at arms,
1086
0
0
1086
0
0
The purchase of the Place of the Archbishop of
7000
0
0
7000
0
0
Public Boards:
Board of First Fruits, for building new and repair
5000
0
0
5000
0
0
Commissioners for making wide and convenient
4500
0
0
4500
0
0
Corporation for paving, cleansing, and lighting the
10000
0
0
10000
0
0
The Dublin Society for promoting husbandry and
5500
0
0
5500
0
0
Carried forward
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An Account shewing how the MONIES granted for the service of the Year 1804, for IRE
Continued.
SERVICES—
Continued.
Sums granted.
Sums paid.
Remains.
Public Boards:
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
£.
s.
d.
Brought forward
More towards completing additional buildings,
4500
0
0
4500
0
0
Farming Society
2000
0
0
2000
0
0
Linen and hempen manufacture
21600
0
0
21600
0
0
Public Hospitals and Schools:
Incorporated Society for promoting English Protes
20129
6
4
20129
6
4
Secretary to the Commissioners of Charitable Dona
400
0
0
400
0
0
Association for discountenancing Vice, and promo
1000
0
0
1000
0
0
Female Orphan House, near Dublin
1211
17
1¾
1211
17
1¾
Penitentiary for young Criminals, in Dublin
1750
0
0
1750
0
0
Foundling Hospital, in Dublin
22500
0
0
22500
0
0
Hibernian Marine Society
1937
14
8
1937
14
8
Hibernian School for Soldier's Children
4500
0
0
4500
0
0
Westmorland Lock Hospital, in Dublin
7227
0
0
6749
13
0
477
7
0
Fever Hospital and House of Recovery, in Dublin
515
9
3½
515
9
3½
House of Industry, in Dublin
18399
16
1
18399
16
1
Roman Catholic Seminary
8000
0
0
8000
0
0
Lying-in Hospital, Dublin
2315
0
6
2315
0
6
£
8185200
18
9¼
6450520
8
5¾
1734680
10
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?INDEX TO DEBATES IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.
A.
Atholl, Duke of; his claim, 722, 764, 773, 805, 817, 837.
C.
Calico Printers' Petition, 117
Continental Connexions, 184
Corn Bill, 721
Custom House Fees' Regulation Bill, 722
F.
Fox, Conduct of Judge, 2, 35, 45, 72, 126, 139, 154, 165, 175, 184, 242, 324, 380, 425, 446, 333, 548, 620, 635
G.
Gardner's Divorce Bill, 621
I.
Impeachment of Lord Melville, 615, 798
Ireland, State of, 117, 437
J.
Johnson, Arrest of Mr. Justice, 557.
K.
King's Message, 447, 460
King's Speech, 839
L.
Lancashire Justices' Salary Bill, 238
Local Oaths' Bill, 6
M.
Melville, Lord, Impeachment of, 615, 793
Message from the King, 447, 460
N.
Navy, State of, 72
O.
Offenders' Escape Bill, 622
P.
Paddington Canal, Coal Bill, 804
Pancras Poor Bill, 116, 240
S.
Smuggling Prevention Bill, 721, 802
State of the Navy, 72
Stipendiary Curates' Bill, 243, 381
*
T.
Teush's Divorce Bill, 324, 428
T
Trust Monies, 635
Trotter's Indemnity Bill, 792,
U.
Universities Advowson Bill, 5
W.
West India Accounts, 34
West India Bills, 124
West Indies Trade between America and the, 558, 731
Woollen Manufacturer's Petition, 633
INDEX TO DEBATES IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
.A
Army, State of the, 132, 567, 649
Articles of Impeachment against Lord Melville, 738
Atholl, Duke of; his Claim, 52, 210, 246, 451, 547, 628, 711, 720
C.
Callico Printers' Petition, 146
Camberwell Waterworks' Bill, 160
Committee of Supply, 450
Continental Connexions, 14, 450, 535
D.
Dublin Paivng Bill, 112
Duckworth, Conduct of Admiral, 161, 193
F.
Financial Propositions, Mr. Johnstone's, 754, 837
G.
Grogan's Attainder, 31
I.
Impeachment of Lord Melville, 121, 130, 149, 249, 329, 484, 557, 567, 618, 737, 796, 805, 823
India, War in, 566, 644
Irish Clergy, Non Residence of, 172
Irish Commissioners of Compensations, 432
Irish Customs' Regulation Bill, 129.
Irish Secret Service Money, 36
J.
Johnstone; Case of Colonel Cochrane, 648
Jones, Petition of Mr. Todd, 641, 793
K.
King's Message, 460, 535
L.
Lancaster Justices' Salary Bill, 122
M.
Melville Lord, Impeachment of, 121, 130, 149, 249, 329, 484, 557, 618, 737, 796, 805, 823
Message from the King, 460, 535
Middlesex Election, 169
Military Commissioner's Bill, 14, 26
N.
Naval Asylum, 130
Naval Commissioners' Renewal Bill,
Naval Enquiry; Select Committee on the Eleventh Report of the Commissioners of, 56
Naval Enquiry; Memorial of the Navy Board in answer to the Third Report of the Commissioners of, 835, 839
O
Oude, Nabob of; Mr. Paull's motion for papers relating to, 562, 643
P.
Paddington Canal Coal Bill, 183
Pitt Mr.; Conduct of, relative to the Loan to Boyd and Benfield, 161, 385
Popham, Sir Home, Conduct of, 163, 728, 796
Prize Agency Bill, 132, 174
Public Affairs, State of, 192, 490
S.
Scotland, Kirk of. 827
Smuggling Prevention Bill, 629, 646
Southern Whale Fishery Bill, 729, 770
State of the Army, 132, 567, 649
State of Public Affairs, 192, 490
Stipendiary Curates' Bill, 4l, 152, 737
T.
Timber, Growth of 162
Townleian Collection, 170
Trotter's Indemnity Bill, 71
V.
Vincent, Earl St.; Naval Administration of, 561, 706, 724
W.
Woollen Manufacturer's Bill, 619
Wright; Ca e of Captain, 808, 823, 831
INDEX OF NAMES.
A.
Abercorn, Marquis of, 35, 45, 48
Asaph, Bishop of St. 5, 240, 244, 383
*
Auckland, Lord, 2, 4, 5, 35, 46, 127, 156, 157, 166, 245, 880
*
*
B.
Bolton, Lord, 380
*
Bridgewater, Earl of, 240, 244, 383
*
Buckingham, Marquis of, 166, 244, 324, 326, 559, 722, 723, 766, 773, 781, 804, 805
Buckinghamshire, Earl of, 107, 179, 238, 239, 815
C.
Camden, Earl, 471, 558, 733
Carleton, Lord, 72, 127, 139, 142
Carlisle, Earl of, 47, 142, 165, 179, 181, 469, 482, 783
Carnarvon, Earl of, 141, 143, 324, 4
Carysfort, Earl of, 143, 184, 461, 736, 815
Clarence, Duke of, 99, 167, 177, 803
D.
Darnley, Earl, 72, 110, 472
E.
Eldon, Lord,
see
F.
Fitzwilliam, Earl, 245
G.
Grenville, Lord, 155, 157, 446, 478, 482
H.
Harrowby, Lord, 49, 474, 704, 705, 736, 779, 804
Hawkesbury, Lord, 5, 34, 35, 46, 48, 105, 124, 126, 140, 156, 177, 179, 186, 242, 380
*
*
Holland, Lord, 48, 103, 143, 478, 558, 634, 703, 721, 731, 736, 765, 773, 800, 802, 804
K.
King, Lord, 117
L.
Limerick, Earl of, 141, 441, 735
London, Bishop of, 243, 245, 383
*
Lord Chancellor, 2, 3, 5, 7, 46, 126, 128, 143, 155, 157, 165, 177, 179, 186, 189, 190, 241, 242, 244, 324, 325, 327, 381
*
*
M.
Melville, Lord, 78, 109
Minto, Lord, 177, 180, 185, 186, 242, 243, 815
Montrose, Duke of, 558, 559, 634, 735, 736, 765
Mulgrave, Lord, 4, 48, 156, 166, 184, 461, 465, 549, 553, 788, 815
N.
Norfolk, Duke of, 442, 704, 722, 765, 792, 813
O.
Oxford, Bishop of, 5
R.
Radnor, Earl of, 6, 7, 142, 239
S.
Sidmouth, Lord, 5, 101, 178,384
*
Sligo, Marqnis of, 126, 143
Somerton, Lord, 142
Spencer, Earl, 179, 186, 473
Stanhope, Earl, 635, 725
Suffolk, Earl of, 5, 34, 108, 109, 116, 117, 118, 124, 125, 126, 241, 243, 244, 382
*
V.
Vincent, Earl St. 97
W.
Wales, H. R. H. the Prince of, 482
Westmeath, Earl of, 623
Westmoreland, Earl of, 5, 472, 550, 722, 723, 773, 774, 805
INDEX OF NAMES.
A.
Abbot, Rt. Hon C.
see
Addington, Hiley, 21, 247, 315, 613.
Alexander, H. 115, 152, 174, 317, 728, 730, 753.
Attorney General, (Hon. S. Percival) 20, 154, 376, 421, 422, 436, 484, 490, 607, 647, 737, 837
B.
Baker, W. 161, 193
Bankes, W. 363, 490, 545, 546, 579, 580, 583, 715
Barham, J. 44, 152, 459, 715, 729
Bathurst, B. 371
Bennet, R. 209
Berkeley, G. C. 137
Best, W. D. 20, 56, 754
Blaquiere, Lord De, 114, 115, 237 720. 768, 770
Bond, N. 235, 306, 423, 484, 486, 488, 567, 573, 577
Bourne, S. 632, 646, 729, 755, 768
Brooke, Lord, 773
Browne, D. 40, 115
Browne, I. H. 42, 153, 314
Burdon, R. 184
Burroughs, Sir W. 20, 103, 234, 566, 565, 716, 728, 754, 796
Burton, F. 42
Buxton, Sir R. 122, 573
C.
Calcraft, J. 720, 729
Canning, G. 150, 362, 421, 489, 519, 837,
Carew, P. 153
Cartwright, W. R. 319
Castlereagh, Lord, 342, 357, 419, 423, 506, 565, 567, 644, 645, 692
Chancellor of the Ezchequer, (Rt. Hon W. Pitt) 13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 26, 27, 44, 63, 123, 132, 138, 139, 149, 151, 162, 163, 174, 192, 236, 323, 397, 412, 450, 486, 527, 535, 540, 547, 561, 594, 614, 630, 631, 646, 707, 712, 753, 7
Cocks, S. 318
Corry, I. 435
Craufurd, R. 132, 567, 649, 701
Creevey, T. 169, 246, 435, 436, 548, 720
Curtis, Sir W. 730
Curwen, J. 53, 210, 247, 459, 547, 628, 715
D.
Devereli, R. 158
Dickinson, W. jun. 238, 835
Dillon, H. A. 421
Dolben, Sir W. 162
Dundas, W.
see
Dundas, R. 130, 249, 357, 614, 753
E.
Elford, Sir W. 162, 209, 711, 715, 719, 752, 767
Ellison, R. 360
Erskine, Sir W. 697
F.
Fellowes, W. 44, 632
Fitzgerald, J. 129, 174
Fitzgerald, M. 28
Fitzpatrick, R. 648
Foster, J. 31, 115, 130
Fox, C. 13, 16, 17, 19, 20, 27, 68, 152, 412, 422, 450, 460, 487, 520, 536, 543, 609, 642
Francis, P. 566, 644
Frankland, W. 451
Fuller, J. 153, 629, 696
G.
Gibbs, Sir V.
see
Giddy, D. 455, 629
Giles, D. 15, 21, 768, 836
Glenbervie, Lord, 54, 209, 236, 420
Graham, J. 153, 716
Graham, Sir W.
see
Grey, C. 12, 19, 27, 192, 238, 350, 420, 451, 490, 531, 632, 646
H.
Hamond, Sir A. S. 70, 706, 707, 709, 835, 836, 837, 842
Harrison, J. 456, 489
Harvey, E. 210
Henneker, Lord, 456
Hill, Sir G. 174
Hippesley, Sir J. C. 43
Hurst, R. 122
Huskisson, W. 184, 730
Hutchinson, C. H. 423
J.
Jeffery, J. 561, 562, 708, 709, 710, 711, 725, 726, 727, 728
Johnstone, G. 137, 174, 456, 720, 754, 770, 837
K.
Ker, R. G 615
Kinnaird, C. 163, 455, 707, 710, 835, 840, 842
L.
Lascelles, H. 150, 151, 161, 410, 419, 420, 422
Laurence, F. 137, 647
Lefevre, S. 122
Lenox, C. 607
Leycester, H. 121, 322, 557, 568, 577, 583
Long, C. 546
M.
Markham, J., 21, 27, 135, 162, 193, 209, 561, 707, 703, 724, 725, 728
Martin, J., 134
Martin, R., 31
Master of the Rolls, (Sir W. Grant) 170, 172, 310, 423
Milbanke, Sir R., 183
Moore, P., 146, 149, 619
N.
Newport, Sir J. 36, 40, 115, 172, 432, 434
Nicholls, Sir J. 134, 139
Norton, J. C., 697
P.
Paull, J. 562, 566, 643, 644
Peele, Sir R. 122
Percival, Hon. S.
see
Petty Lord H., 320, 544, 584, 730, 767, 808
Pierrepoint, C H., 131
Pitt, Rt. Hon. W.
see
Pole, sir C. 132, 135, 137
Pole, W. W., 566, 643, 836
Ponsonby, G. 17, 28, 434
Ponsonby, W., 116
Porchester, Lord, 41, 153
Price, Sir C., 729, 771
Pulteney, Sir J., 697
Pytches, J., 318
R.
Ridley, Sir M. W., 184
Rose, G., 15, 17, 19, 139, 148, 419, 452, 490, 729, 735, 753, 771
Ryder, R., 376
S.
Scott, Sir W., 136, 175
Secretary at War (W. Dundas) 567, 699, 728, 836
Sheridan, R. B., 237, 420, 458, 488, 548, 642, 842
Smith Sir Sidney, 832
Smith, W., 20, 422, 545, 546, 716, 729,
Solicitor General, (Sir V. Gibbs) 577
Speaker, the (Rt. Hon. C. Abbot) 163, 170, 193, 249, 412, 580, 711, 726, 769, 795 796, 835, 841
Stanhope. S 184
Stanley, T 730
Stewart, Sir J. 163
Stuart, W. 698
T
Temple, Earl, 236, 313, 520, 715, 720, 808
Thornton, H. 170, 435
Thornton, S. 420
Tierney, G. 160, 709, 726, 727, 728
V.
Vansittart, G. 360
Vansittart, N. 38, 112, 116, 174, 433, 434, 643
W.
Warren, Sir J. B. 130, 135
Western, C. 42
Whitbread, S. 18, 20, 121, 149, 150, 151, 289, 310, 379, 385, 423, 484, 486, 602, 618, 719, 720, 728, 737, 751, 753, 754, 767, 770, 796, 797, 798, 80
Wickham, W. 793
Wilberforce, W. 131, 237, 318, 323, 333, 422, 459, 619, 711, 720, 795
Williams, R. 456, 590
Windham, W. 237, 421, 456, 512, 520, 546, 566, 590, 629, 630, 647, 698, 712, 730, 808, 831,
Wood, M. 161, 193, 210
Wynne, C. 43, 585, 754, 808
Y.
Young, Sir W. 172, 454